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GOGOGO effort rain herO roro reality and all the othershow comes i feel that rain herO etc wont participate int he quali and its just b teamers ? so bad feeling
[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 91
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
GOGOGO effort rain herO roro reality and all the othershow comes i feel that rain herO etc wont participate int he quali and its just b teamers ? so bad feeling | ||
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:35 Telcontar wrote: Yes, they run a very tight ship, and a lot of players can get screwed over. However, I'm not sure BW would've taken off so big if they hadn't. Being wishy-washy doesn't get you far, especially if you're trying to build something from the ground up. Admittedly, they could, and should've eased up after establishing themselves (and esports) in Korea, but I guess they just didn't want to fix something that wasn't broken (to them). I certainly do hope they go through reforms and give more voice & power to the players, as well as being more open in general. However, saying they need to disappear entirely is ignorant and over the top. Well, I think many of us are under the assumption that KeSPA is an organization that is unable and unwilling to change. If that is indeed the case, then having it disappear and a more reasonable organization to replace it might not be a bad thing. Regime change happens all the time. Of course, they can prove us wrong and becomes a more reasonable organization, due to pressure coming from eSF, Blizz, and foreign teams (that has the right purchasing powers, at least). | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:36 Kergy wrote: Mr. Chae just posted this http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224111&cid=0&kind=8 + Show Spoiler + Dear GOMTV.net users, This is Mr. Chae. Many things have happened over the last week and I believe many overseas fans have been following the news regarding the current situation in Korean e-Sports. We have been looking over the comments on various community sites regarding this incident and were very moved by the many fans who left encouraging messages for GOMTV on Twitter and community boards. We promise to repay your kindness with great content. GSL Season 4 will begin today with the Up&Down matches. We hope all of you are looking forward to a series of exciting matches that will determine who will participate in this season’s Code S tournament. In contrast to the unfortunate news we had to announce last week, we are happy that today we will be able to greet you with some good news. The Korean e-Sports association (KeSPA) has decided to participate in the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers and we have already received the list of participants. Because of this, there will be an adjustment to the schedule for the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers: - Old date: September 5th/6th -> New date: September 12th/13th - Location: Intel e-Sports Stadium, Shindorim Additionally, we are currently in discussion regarding Code A and Code S seeds for KeSPA players. GOMTV is planning to provide 2 Code S seeds as well as 4 Code A seeds for players of the Korean e-Sports association. We will update you with the list of seeded players as soon as they are confirmed. We have some additional news regarding the Up&Down matches. Because of a severe typhoon warning, the return of the Korean players who were attending MLG will be delayed. It is possible that we will have to adjust the schedule for the Up&Down matches on short notice, due to some players not being able to attend because of this natural disaster. We are currently in contact with the players in the US and will revise the schedule accordingly, if needed. Many things have happened over the last week. We would like to once again thank all e-Sports fans for their tremendous support and words of encouragement for GOMTV. This is the beginning. We will strive to provide all of you with the best content possible. See you at the GSL. Thank you. Fuck yeah!! I guess Roro is a guarenteed Code S seed, the second beïng Reality/Hero or Jaedong (maybe Effort). Jaedong and Effort will surely get a Code A spot. What are you guy's thought's on who is getting the seeds? | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:37 Irave wrote: Curious how this would unfold when ESF has no leverage at all. eSF has some good leverage - sadly you could call it a double edge sword - there fore hey don't like to use it too much. Its the second time they used it. First being NASL. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
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Leetley
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NoobSkills
United States1600 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:29 GT350 wrote: Glad the drama is over. What about the fact that they restrict their players' freedom to play in GSL. Roro said it. And all the other issues with contract and player condition that the others here have been saying. They are practically enslaving the players. I'm happy that their control is over. finally some democracy in korean esports. Read the part below this about player conditions. As for "I'm happy that their control is over." The KESPA players are still underneath the same rules they were before, but KESPA gave in and let them join the GSL other than that nothing has changed. Also remember that KESPA has more than one card to play. In a year (shorter now) they can begin to attempt to take away ESF players. When that year is over and an ESF player is contacted by KESPA, you can bet that 99% of them switch over. Why? Because they actually have a salary. And even then KESPA has more cards than that, don't think their days are limited yet, just a temporary setback. On August 27 2012 18:28 jinorazi wrote: I seriously hope blizzard doesnt kill sc2 to push a different game, like wc4. Bw out lived wc3 thanks to blizzard not being involved. But this opinion will depend on how sc2 evolves at the end...im not so excited about hots from what ive seen. Even towards the end of BW the game was still evolving some. Maybe not the most innovative of strategies, but mind games were evolving, and with that strategies that assisted those mind games were created. Blizzard wants their hands in the pot and they want to make it seem like they're doing something for esports, when all they want is the money. On August 27 2012 18:27 skeldark wrote: Because they controlled the players. They decided when they have to train, how much they have to train, what they play, what not, how they have to act in a game. They are team, sponsor, tournament at once. If you did not follow you did not play bw anymore... And they tried same now. Kespa send players or they send them not. Kespa never ask players if they want to play or not ... In the field of competitive gaming. Where KESPA players even some of the scrubs get paid decently, there are sacrifices to be made. Sure, they did have a bit more control over their lives than most people would want, but at the end of the day they're playing video games and making money at the same time. Sure now, some of them can obtain the freedom of gaming without the stress of being ridden by KESPA, by streaming which weakens your gameplay, or joining a foreign team, which may limit your travel and still weaken your gameplay. Also this thing that they get paid to do was invented by KESPA, so I can see why KESPA would do the things they do to Blizzard and GOM who are just recently joining the bandwagon. At those two organizations, they don't really help the scene as much as people think. Sure GOM gives people freedom to be exposed to the world, but GOM + ESF don't pay people a salary. And Blizzard oh I can count the way they fucked up the game. No LAN, shit chat, shit ladder concepts, no viewing replay with others, patching on a whim. It was better when they weren't involved. On August 27 2012 18:26 Frankon wrote: They were over the day Blizzard forgot to add lan to sc2. Lets face it. Blizzard is the one dealing the cards in korea right now - and it want's both Gom and Kespa on even footing so that they (gom, kespa) would have a weaker position when dealing with Blizzard. I can see that is how Blizzard wants it to be, but they didn't step in this time did they? I think this isn't over. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On August 27 2012 17:54 MCXD wrote: Yeah this is what I just can't get. Why does KeSPA have to send "0", "90" or any fixed amount of players. Just send the ones who want to compete. How hard a concept is that for them to grasp? What proffesional sport functions this way? Be it Messi/Rooney/Cristiano Ronaldo - everyone must play if their coach/manager tells them so. Why would it be different in sc2? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:40 massivez wrote: Fuck yeah!! I guess Roro is a guarenteed Code S seed, the second beïng Reality/Hero or Jaedong (maybe Effort). Jaedong and Effort will surely get a Code A spot. What are you guy's thought's on who is getting the seeds? If going only by results i'm almost certain it would be By.Sun and Roro or Reality. | ||
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dubRa
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Winner: GSL Winner: KeSPA Winner: OGN Winner: OSL Winner: KeSPA Players Loser: Alicia | ||
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Nahsom
Austria361 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:45 Fionn wrote: Winner: ESF Winner: GSL Winner: KeSPA Winner: OGN Winner: OSL Winner: KeSPA Players Loser: Alicia  | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:40 lim1017 wrote: Sadly this is probably the end of foreigners ever qualifying for gsl through code A qualifiers It's been the end since the game came out lmao. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:43 NoobSkills wrote: Read the part below this about player conditions. As for "I'm happy that their control is over." The KESPA players are still underneath the same rules they were before, but KESPA gave in and let them join the GSL other than that nothing has changed. Also remember that KESPA has more than one card to play. In a year (shorter now) they can begin to attempt to take away ESF players. When that year is over and an ESF player is contacted by KESPA, you can bet that 99% of them switch over. Why? Because they actually have a salary. And even then KESPA has more cards than that, don't think their days are limited yet, just a temporary setback. Even towards the end of BW the game was still evolving some. Maybe not the most innovative of strategies, but mind games were evolving, and with that strategies that assisted those mind games were created. Blizzard wants their hands in the pot and they want to make it seem like they're doing something for esports, when all they want is the money. In the field of competitive gaming. Where KESPA players even some of the scrubs get paid decently, there are sacrifices to be made. Sure, they did have a bit more control over their lives than most people would want, but at the end of the day they're playing video games and making money at the same time. Sure now, some of them can obtain the freedom of gaming without the stress of being ridden by KESPA, by streaming which weakens your gameplay, or joining a foreign team, which may limit your travel and still weaken your gameplay. Also this thing that they get paid to do was invented by KESPA, so I can see why KESPA would do the things they do to Blizzard and GOM who are just recently joining the bandwagon. At those two organizations, they don't really help the scene as much as people think. Sure GOM gives people freedom to be exposed to the world, but GOM + ESF don't pay people a salary. And Blizzard oh I can count the way they fucked up the game. No LAN, shit chat, shit ladder concepts, no viewing replay with others, patching on a whim. It was better when they weren't involved. I can see that is how Blizzard wants it to be, but they didn't step in this time did they? I think this isn't over. On your first comment, I suspect at least a few teams on eSF are getting salaries as well. LG-IM is obviously a given, and ST/MVP have been acting in ways which suggests that they have money. I would be surprised if FXO does not have money. If anything, the only team that's probably broke right now is NSH. As for Blizzard stepping it, I personally think they did. The announcement from KeSPA and on Blizzard's website is too well timed. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
Haha j/k. Pretty sure they probably helped and did some stuff behind the scenes | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:45 Fionn wrote: Winner: ESF Winner: GSL Winner: KeSPA Winner: OGN Winner: OSL Winner: KeSPA Players Loser: Alicia Slayers also followed the boycott. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:44 Ammanas wrote: What proffesional sport functions this way? Be it Messi/Rooney/Cristiano Ronaldo - everyone must play if their coach/manager tells them so. Why would it be different in sc2? Because KeSPA isn't their coach or team manager. It would be as if the (inter?)national soccer association told Messi to play, regardless of what he, his team OR his coach wanted. They simply don't have control over that sort of thing. Plus the original issue was the opposite, perfectly good players being forced not to play, despite wanting to, which is even more unusual. EDIT: To clarify, I know nothing about soccer so if I just used a really stupid analogy I'm sorry *shot* | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:47 rysecake wrote: It's been the end since the game came out lmao. Haha yeah, maybe for HotS once again, but except for the first qualifier ever i don't think there has been one guy to qualify? Except once Loner or something? | ||
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