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On August 27 2012 18:14 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:11 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha (theoretical and playful assumption): And what stops Kespa from dominating international SC2 when they are already the best. too much to do in sc2 scene would be my guess(ogn+), first reason for not entering gsl 4.
Agree. I think they will crash in GSL 4. But after...
On August 27 2012 18:13 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:12 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:11 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha I just hope GOM doesn't go anywhere. I mean its because of them that SC2 is where it is today in Korea. Around the world? GOM deserves to be the main company for SC2, not Kespa. Even though this is just a dream, but, I would hope Blizzard would fight for GOM if it came down to it. i'm think gom will do fine, i was talking about teams...maybe gomtv will join kespa XD Hell no, if anything, Kespa should join GOM. I'm sure majority of people do NOT want a repeat of BW with Kespa.
At this point in time, with business interest already aligning, and talent only expected to grow exponentially, it is not even about what "the majority of people want" but of what is the logical next step will follow.
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Wow, Kespa gave in. Can't believe I'm saying it. 
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On August 27 2012 18:13 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:12 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:11 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha I just hope GOM doesn't go anywhere. I mean its because of them that SC2 is where it is today in Korea. Around the world? GOM deserves to be the main company for SC2, not Kespa. Even though this is just a dream, but, I would hope Blizzard would fight for GOM if it came down to it. i'm think gom will do fine, i was talking about teams...maybe gomtv will join kespa XD Hell no, if anything, Kespa should join GOM. I'm sure majority of people do NOT want a repeat of BW with Kespa.
Ok, I get that people are pissed off with Kespa, and yes, they have done some questionable things in the past, but let's not forget that BW wouldn't have gotten where it had without them. They gave birth to, and nurtured the BW pro scene, without which the SC2 scene wouldn't have gotten such a good start.
So, enough with the wild and blind condemnations. Their existence does more good than harm.
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Good stuff. Kespa didn't really have any choice.
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Hell yeah. ESF gogogogogogo!
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great day for eSports
KeSPA's days of monopolizing starcraft is over!
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On August 27 2012 18:20 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:12 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:11 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha I just hope GOM doesn't go anywhere. I mean its because of them that SC2 is where it is today in Korea. Around the world? GOM deserves to be the main company for SC2, not Kespa. Even though this is just a dream, but, I would hope Blizzard would fight for GOM if it came down to it. i'm think gom will do fine, i was talking about teams...maybe gomtv will join kespa XD Hell no, if anything, Kespa should join GOM. I'm sure majority of people do NOT want a repeat of BW with Kespa. Ok, I get that people are pissed off with Kespa, and yes, they have done some questionable things in the past, but let's not forget that BW wouldn't have gotten where it had without them. They gave birth to, and nurtured the BW pro scene, without which the SC2 scene wouldn't have gotten such a good start. So, enough with the wild and blind condemnations. Their existence does more good than harm.
What`s the deal with the Kespa hate anyway? I saw earlier comments on Idra's interview. By the sound of it, he was complaining about progamer practice program, which is done by everybody and I guess necessary for excellence, and the ppp incident, or simply that Kespa is following rules.
Anyone have facts/details why "Kespa is evil"?
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On August 27 2012 18:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:
great day for eSports
KeSPA's days of monopolizing starcraft is over!
too soon brother. too soon.
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On August 27 2012 18:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:
great day for eSports
KeSPA's days of monopolizing starcraft is over!
They were over the day Blizzard forgot to add lan to sc2.
Lets face it. Blizzard is the one dealing the cards in korea right now - and it want's both Gom and Kespa on even footing so that they (gom, kespa) would have a weaker position when dealing with Blizzard.
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On August 27 2012 18:23 6NR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:20 Telcontar wrote:On August 27 2012 18:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:12 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:11 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha I just hope GOM doesn't go anywhere. I mean its because of them that SC2 is where it is today in Korea. Around the world? GOM deserves to be the main company for SC2, not Kespa. Even though this is just a dream, but, I would hope Blizzard would fight for GOM if it came down to it. i'm think gom will do fine, i was talking about teams...maybe gomtv will join kespa XD Hell no, if anything, Kespa should join GOM. I'm sure majority of people do NOT want a repeat of BW with Kespa. Ok, I get that people are pissed off with Kespa, and yes, they have done some questionable things in the past, but let's not forget that BW wouldn't have gotten where it had without them. They gave birth to, and nurtured the BW pro scene, without which the SC2 scene wouldn't have gotten such a good start. So, enough with the wild and blind condemnations. Their existence does more good than harm. What`s the deal with the Kespa hate anyway? I saw earlier comments on Idra's interview. By the sound of it, he was complaining about progamer practice program, which is done by everybody and I guess necessary for excellence, and the ppp incident, or simply that Kespa is following rules. Anyone have facts/details why "Kespa is evil"?
Because they controlled the players.
They decided when they have to train, how much they have to train,
what they play, what not, how they have to act in a game.
They are team, sponsor, tournament at once.
If you did not follow you did not play bw anymore...
And they tried same now. Kespa send players or they send them not.
Kespa never ask players if they want to play or not ...
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On August 27 2012 18:26 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:
great day for eSports
KeSPA's days of monopolizing starcraft is over! They were over the day Blizzard forgot to add lan to sc2. Lets face it. Blizzard is the one dealing the cards in korea right now - and it want's both Gom and Kespa on even footing so that they (gom, kespa) would have a weaker position when dealing with Blizzard.
I seriously hope blizzard doesnt kill sc2 to push a different game, like wc4. Bw out lived wc3 thanks to blizzard not being involved. But this opinion will depend on how sc2 evolves at the end...im not so excited about hots from what ive seen.
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Glad the drama is over.
On August 27 2012 18:23 6NR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:20 Telcontar wrote:On August 27 2012 18:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:12 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:11 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha I just hope GOM doesn't go anywhere. I mean its because of them that SC2 is where it is today in Korea. Around the world? GOM deserves to be the main company for SC2, not Kespa. Even though this is just a dream, but, I would hope Blizzard would fight for GOM if it came down to it. i'm think gom will do fine, i was talking about teams...maybe gomtv will join kespa XD Hell no, if anything, Kespa should join GOM. I'm sure majority of people do NOT want a repeat of BW with Kespa. Ok, I get that people are pissed off with Kespa, and yes, they have done some questionable things in the past, but let's not forget that BW wouldn't have gotten where it had without them. They gave birth to, and nurtured the BW pro scene, without which the SC2 scene wouldn't have gotten such a good start. So, enough with the wild and blind condemnations. Their existence does more good than harm. What`s the deal with the Kespa hate anyway? I saw earlier comments on Idra's interview. By the sound of it, he was complaining about progamer practice program, which is done by everybody and I guess necessary for excellence, and the ppp incident, or simply that Kespa is following rules. Anyone have facts/details why "Kespa is evil"?
What about the fact that they restrict their players' freedom to play in GSL. Roro said it.
And all the other issues with contract and player condition that the others here have been saying. They are practically enslaving the players.
I'm happy that their control is over. finally some democracy in korean esports.
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On August 27 2012 18:27 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:23 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:20 Telcontar wrote:On August 27 2012 18:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:12 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:11 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha I just hope GOM doesn't go anywhere. I mean its because of them that SC2 is where it is today in Korea. Around the world? GOM deserves to be the main company for SC2, not Kespa. Even though this is just a dream, but, I would hope Blizzard would fight for GOM if it came down to it. i'm think gom will do fine, i was talking about teams...maybe gomtv will join kespa XD Hell no, if anything, Kespa should join GOM. I'm sure majority of people do NOT want a repeat of BW with Kespa. Ok, I get that people are pissed off with Kespa, and yes, they have done some questionable things in the past, but let's not forget that BW wouldn't have gotten where it had without them. They gave birth to, and nurtured the BW pro scene, without which the SC2 scene wouldn't have gotten such a good start. So, enough with the wild and blind condemnations. Their existence does more good than harm. What`s the deal with the Kespa hate anyway? I saw earlier comments on Idra's interview. By the sound of it, he was complaining about progamer practice program, which is done by everybody and I guess necessary for excellence, and the ppp incident, or simply that Kespa is following rules. Anyone have facts/details why "Kespa is evil"? Because they controlled the players. They decided when they have to train, how much they have to train, what they play, what not, how they have to act in a game. They are team, sponsor, tournament at once. If you did not follow you did not play bw anymore... And they tried same now. Kespa send players or they send them not. Kespa never ask players if they want to play or not ...
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So kespa joins GSL 4 and 5, didnt say anything about after that so then the drama starts again?
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Yes, they run a very tight ship, and a lot of players can get screwed over. However, I'm not sure BW would've taken off so big if they hadn't. Being wishy-washy doesn't get you far, especially if you're trying to build something from the ground up. Admittedly, they could, and should've eased up after establishing themselves (and esports) in Korea, but I guess they just didn't want to fix something that wasn't broken (to them). I certainly do hope they go through reforms and give more voice & power to the players, as well as being more open in general. However, saying they need to disappear entirely is ignorant and over the top.
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Mr. Chae just posted this
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=224111&cid=0&kind=8
+ Show Spoiler +Dear GOMTV.net users,
This is Mr. Chae.
Many things have happened over the last week and I believe many overseas fans have been following the news regarding the current situation in Korean e-Sports. We have been looking over the comments on various community sites regarding this incident and were very moved by the many fans who left encouraging messages for GOMTV on Twitter and community boards. We promise to repay your kindness with great content.
GSL Season 4 will begin today with the Up&Down matches. We hope all of you are looking forward to a series of exciting matches that will determine who will participate in this season’s Code S tournament.
In contrast to the unfortunate news we had to announce last week, we are happy that today we will be able to greet you with some good news.
The Korean e-Sports association (KeSPA) has decided to participate in the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers and we have already received the list of participants.
Because of this, there will be an adjustment to the schedule for the GSL Season 4 Code A qualifiers:
- Old date: September 5th/6th -> New date: September 12th/13th
- Location: Intel e-Sports Stadium, Shindorim
Additionally, we are currently in discussion regarding Code A and Code S seeds for KeSPA players. GOMTV is planning to provide 2 Code S seeds as well as 4 Code A seeds for players of the Korean e-Sports association. We will update you with the list of seeded players as soon as they are confirmed.
We have some additional news regarding the Up&Down matches. Because of a severe typhoon warning, the return of the Korean players who were attending MLG will be delayed. It is possible that we will have to adjust the schedule for the Up&Down matches on short notice, due to some players not being able to attend because of this natural disaster. We are currently in contact with the players in the US and will revise the schedule accordingly, if needed.
Many things have happened over the last week. We would like to once again thank all e-Sports fans for their tremendous support and words of encouragement for GOMTV.
This is the beginning. We will strive to provide all of you with the best content possible. See you at the GSL.
Thank you.
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On August 27 2012 18:29 GT350 wrote:Glad the drama is over. Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 18:23 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:20 Telcontar wrote:On August 27 2012 18:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:12 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:11 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:09 jinorazi wrote:On August 27 2012 18:05 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 18:04 Disengaged wrote:On August 27 2012 18:03 6NR wrote:
IMAGINE:
GSL Up and Downs, Code As, and Code S tournaments populated by 95-100% Kespa players.
That would be sweet revenge! lol
(If they prove to be in that skill level already) Lets hope it never comes to that then. If Kespa becomes the main company in SC2 over there like they did in BW. Then I would have to stop watching SC2 korean tournaments and just stick to the foreign tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc. BUT, IT. IS. VERY. POSSIBLE. then maybe esf players will focus on foreign market...sc2 korea scene dominated by kespa, foreign sc2 scene dominated by esf. total korean domination once again...muhahhaha I just hope GOM doesn't go anywhere. I mean its because of them that SC2 is where it is today in Korea. Around the world? GOM deserves to be the main company for SC2, not Kespa. Even though this is just a dream, but, I would hope Blizzard would fight for GOM if it came down to it. i'm think gom will do fine, i was talking about teams...maybe gomtv will join kespa XD Hell no, if anything, Kespa should join GOM. I'm sure majority of people do NOT want a repeat of BW with Kespa. Ok, I get that people are pissed off with Kespa, and yes, they have done some questionable things in the past, but let's not forget that BW wouldn't have gotten where it had without them. They gave birth to, and nurtured the BW pro scene, without which the SC2 scene wouldn't have gotten such a good start. So, enough with the wild and blind condemnations. Their existence does more good than harm. What`s the deal with the Kespa hate anyway? I saw earlier comments on Idra's interview. By the sound of it, he was complaining about progamer practice program, which is done by everybody and I guess necessary for excellence, and the ppp incident, or simply that Kespa is following rules. Anyone have facts/details why "Kespa is evil"? What about the fact that they restrict their players' freedom to play in GSL. Roro said it. And all the other issues with contract and player condition that the others here have been saying. They are practically enslaving the players. I'm happy that their control is over. finally some democracy in korean esports.
What in blue magnetic culinary hell is this???
Kespa is practically all of BW and Korean Esports.
It built BW from the ground up, WITHOUT Blizzard.
It made sure players got compensated for their skills
It made sure the competition was always great for the players, the sponsors, and the fans.
They made many mistakes, but none that you mentioned.
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Curious how this would unfold when ESF has no leverage at all.
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