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On August 27 2012 14:55 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 14:48 Megiddosc wrote:
All KeSPA has to do is allow players from teams who are not involved with Proleague playoffs the availability to try out at the GSL4 qualifiers and accept the seeds given by GOM. If they do that, then the conditions required by ESF are met and OSL will go on just as planned. That would be a rather suicidal move by Kespa. By definition teams not involved with PL playoffs are the teams with weakest players. Kespa cannot have its players play bad in GSL. Not really. I don't consider KT bad. The teams are so ridiculously close (except for ACE) that there's no huge gap in skill between them.
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This was seriously the closest Proleague season I can think of...it LITERALLY came down to the last match to determine the 4th place spot, and all the top 4 teams have the same match score.
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Im getting tired of all this drama
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On August 27 2012 15:04 ShiroKaisen wrote:
This was seriously the closest Proleague season I can think of...it LITERALLY came down to the last match to determine the 4th place spot, and all the top 4 teams have the same match score.
Wrong thread my brother.
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Not really, I'm reinforcing the idea that "just because your team didn't make playoffs doesn't mean your players are bad?"
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On August 27 2012 15:08 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Not really, I'm reinforcing the idea that "just because your team didn't make playoffs doesn't mean your players are bad?"
Fair enough. However, I still think the PL is a total farce this season.
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On August 27 2012 15:12 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 15:08 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Not really, I'm reinforcing the idea that "just because your team didn't make playoffs doesn't mean your players are bad?" Fair enough. However, I still think the PL is a total farce this season.
I would be inclined to agree if it weren't for the fact that this Proleague is Team 8's big chance to get a sponsor.
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On August 27 2012 14:48 Dodgin wrote:
I think if Kespa signs a contract and Blizzard oversees the agreement that they will play in every GSL from S5 onwards they will play in OSL.
^ just speculation
I agree, i think season 4 is not the main issue, ESF will be willing to compromise and give the KESPA players season 4 off on the condition that from then on they compete in every GSL.
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On August 27 2012 15:14 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 15:12 StarStruck wrote:On August 27 2012 15:08 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Not really, I'm reinforcing the idea that "just because your team didn't make playoffs doesn't mean your players are bad?" Fair enough. However, I still think the PL is a total farce this season. I would be inclined to agree if it weren't for the fact that this Proleague is Team 8's big chance to get a sponsor.
You should have seen my Fantasy team last season. You'd laugh.
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On August 27 2012 15:15 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 14:48 Dodgin wrote:
I think if Kespa signs a contract and Blizzard oversees the agreement that they will play in every GSL from S5 onwards they will play in OSL.
^ just speculation I agree, i think season 4 is not the main issue, ESF will be willing to compromise and give the KESPA players season 4 off on the condition that from then on they compete in every GSL.
Things don't really work that way though. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to sign off on something like that and even then. There's no such contract with a term like that. There are concessions.
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On August 27 2012 15:23 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 15:15 coloursheep wrote:On August 27 2012 14:48 Dodgin wrote:
I think if Kespa signs a contract and Blizzard oversees the agreement that they will play in every GSL from S5 onwards they will play in OSL.
^ just speculation I agree, i think season 4 is not the main issue, ESF will be willing to compromise and give the KESPA players season 4 off on the condition that from then on they compete in every GSL. Things don't really work that way though. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to sign off on something like that and even then. There's no such contract with a term like that. There are concessions.
Why not? I not a lawyer so I am actually asking, is it not possible that ESF and KESPA sign a contract stating that each of their teams players will compete in both leagues?
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On August 27 2012 15:23 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 15:15 coloursheep wrote:On August 27 2012 14:48 Dodgin wrote:
I think if Kespa signs a contract and Blizzard oversees the agreement that they will play in every GSL from S5 onwards they will play in OSL.
^ just speculation I agree, i think season 4 is not the main issue, ESF will be willing to compromise and give the KESPA players season 4 off on the condition that from then on they compete in every GSL. Things don't really work that way though. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to sign off on something like that and even then. There's no such contract with a term like that. There are concessions.
What? It wouldn't be hard to set up a contract in which Kespa agrees to send x amount of Kespa contracted players to GOM events for x amount of time. For instance, they could sign a three year agreement. And if they back out, or decide not to re-sign in three years, Blizzard could swoop in and do something.
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On August 27 2012 16:03 PhoenixDark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 15:23 StarStruck wrote:On August 27 2012 15:15 coloursheep wrote:On August 27 2012 14:48 Dodgin wrote:
I think if Kespa signs a contract and Blizzard oversees the agreement that they will play in every GSL from S5 onwards they will play in OSL.
^ just speculation I agree, i think season 4 is not the main issue, ESF will be willing to compromise and give the KESPA players season 4 off on the condition that from then on they compete in every GSL. Things don't really work that way though. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to sign off on something like that and even then. There's no such contract with a term like that. There are concessions. What? It wouldn't be hard to set up a contract in which Kespa agrees to send x amount of Kespa contracted players to GOM events for x amount of time. For instance, they could sign a three year agreement. And if they back out, or decide not to re-sign in three years, Blizzard could swoop in and do something.
How I understand it, Kespa and Blizzard are like sworn mortal enemies. They are merely cooperating now out of business interests. The less intervention there is from Blizzard on this matter, perceived or actual, the more change Kespa will cooperate.
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On August 27 2012 16:10 6NR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 16:03 PhoenixDark wrote:On August 27 2012 15:23 StarStruck wrote:On August 27 2012 15:15 coloursheep wrote:On August 27 2012 14:48 Dodgin wrote:
I think if Kespa signs a contract and Blizzard oversees the agreement that they will play in every GSL from S5 onwards they will play in OSL.
^ just speculation I agree, i think season 4 is not the main issue, ESF will be willing to compromise and give the KESPA players season 4 off on the condition that from then on they compete in every GSL. Things don't really work that way though. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to sign off on something like that and even then. There's no such contract with a term like that. There are concessions. What? It wouldn't be hard to set up a contract in which Kespa agrees to send x amount of Kespa contracted players to GOM events for x amount of time. For instance, they could sign a three year agreement. And if they back out, or decide not to re-sign in three years, Blizzard could swoop in and do something. How I understand it, Kespa and Blizzard are like sworn mortal enemies. They are merely cooperating now out of business interests. The less intervention there is from Blizzard on this matter, perceived or actual, the more change Kespa will cooperate.
Blizzard will need to intervene. Sooner or later.
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On August 27 2012 16:15 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 16:10 6NR wrote:On August 27 2012 16:03 PhoenixDark wrote:On August 27 2012 15:23 StarStruck wrote:On August 27 2012 15:15 coloursheep wrote:On August 27 2012 14:48 Dodgin wrote:
I think if Kespa signs a contract and Blizzard oversees the agreement that they will play in every GSL from S5 onwards they will play in OSL.
^ just speculation I agree, i think season 4 is not the main issue, ESF will be willing to compromise and give the KESPA players season 4 off on the condition that from then on they compete in every GSL. Things don't really work that way though. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to sign off on something like that and even then. There's no such contract with a term like that. There are concessions. What? It wouldn't be hard to set up a contract in which Kespa agrees to send x amount of Kespa contracted players to GOM events for x amount of time. For instance, they could sign a three year agreement. And if they back out, or decide not to re-sign in three years, Blizzard could swoop in and do something. How I understand it, Kespa and Blizzard are like sworn mortal enemies. They are merely cooperating now out of business interests. The less intervention there is from Blizzard on this matter, perceived or actual, the more change Kespa will cooperate. Blizzard will need to intervene. Sooner or later.
Why do they have to? I think this can be settled among the Koreans.
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If GOM pulls GSL players out of the OSL Ro16, I will not buy a ticket until Kespa players are in the GSL.
Sure they want to maintain the upper hand, but you can't just ruin an OSL because of it. They're protecting their interests first, and the fans' interest last. Say what you will about Kespa, but without top Kespa players and top sponsors like adidas and samsung, I'm not watching SC2 anymore unless it suddenly becomes a much better game.
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On August 27 2012 16:33 0neder wrote:
If GOM pulls GSL players out of the OSL Ro16, I will not buy a ticket until Kespa players are in the GSL.
Sure they want to maintain the upper hand, but you can't just ruin an OSL because of it. They're protecting their interests first, and the fans' interest last. Say what you will about Kespa, but without top Kespa players and top sponsors like adidas and samsung, I'm not watching SC2 anymore unless it suddenly becomes a much better game.
I on the other hand will not be watching any tournament that has KeSPA in it, as well as boycott Samsung for being in KeSPA.
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ugh...
not this shit again..
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Wow. It's really happening again! lol, and here i thought it'd be a huge joke. This is bad for blizzard. Why can't they negotiate some sort of profit-sharing arrangement jesus... Kespa and GOM are struggling for dominance and better positions (and being selfish asses in the mean time)
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On August 27 2012 16:33 0neder wrote:
If GOM pulls GSL players out of the OSL Ro16, I will not buy a ticket until Kespa players are in the GSL.
Sure they want to maintain the upper hand, but you can't just ruin an OSL because of it. They're protecting their interests first, and the fans' interest last. Say what you will about Kespa, but without top Kespa players and top sponsors like adidas and samsung, I'm not watching SC2 anymore unless it suddenly becomes a much better game.
You do know that in bold it says that ESF pulled the players out, not GOM, it was the players decisions to ditch the OSL until KeSPA stop being retards. Not buying a ticket from GOM because of this is silly.
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