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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:32 StarStruck wrote: Still way too early for you guys to be reading into any of that stuff. I completely agree. Just like it's too early to take Roro's 4th place finish to mean much of anything in terms of general KeSPA/ESF comparisons. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:33 Femari wrote: But the summary on the front page says they only said they'd do GSL5 and said nothing about onward. It's implied and who's to say this political positioning wouldn't happen after the fact. Their words have little to no weight because they can always change their stance. In short, still not what the Fed is looking for AND it has very little meaning because like I said. They could always back out. There's no legally binding contract here. | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:33 Femari wrote: But the summary on the front page says they only said they'd do GSL5 and said nothing about onward. The statement that ESF made said that they would not play in OSL until the KeSPA players played in GSL. Seeing how KeSPA players are not in the GSL4 qualifiers and will not be playing in the GSL then I don't think ESF players will play in OSL according to their statement. So the situation remains unchanged. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:37 Megiddosc wrote: The statement that ESF made said that they would not play in OSL until the KeSPA players played in GSL. Seeing how KeSPA players are not in the GSL4 qualifiers and will not be playing in the GSL then I don't think ESF players will play in OSL according to their statement. So the situation remains unchanged. But it's still something different. KeSPA previously said only GSL5 only, didn't say anything about the future. Now KeSPA is saying GSL5 and onwards. Meaning ESF will probably respond. | ||
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
Though KeSPA really could just say 4 is okay too and we'd all be good... | ||
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GT350
United States270 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:55 Moka wrote: Meanwhile, on topic, maybe we can update: Kespa agrees to play in the gsl 5 and the next ones http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363756 edit: Thread got closed Anyone can confirm this? | ||
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
See my above post - that source definitely says that KeSPA agrees to participate in GSLs following 4, so 5 and onwards. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:46 FidoDido wrote: still boycotting, ESF wants Kespa to play from GSL 4 and onwards, not 5 and onwards.. because KeSPA can easily go back on their word after OSL is over. It's a decent compromise so long as KeSPA gets their word in some official capacity preventing them from backing out. | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
^ just speculation | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:47 ShiroKaisen wrote: It's a decent compromise so long as KeSPA gets their word in some official capacity preventing them from backing out. I am more worried about whether the source is reliable and all that. If KeSPA has a hard commitment on GSL 5 and later, that's a fine compromise. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
Not sure what benefits they'd be looking for, but it usually isn't that easy to come to a compromise on such issues about benefits unless they have a good relationship to begin with. | ||
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:50 Weirdkid wrote: I think it'd be hard for Kespa and Gom to come to a decision about season 4 so fast though. If I'm not wrong, Kespa probably wants some benefits for the Kespa teams as well for their participation in GSL since their participation in the GSL means the GSL becomes more entertaining (Probably because of the ESF players vs. Kespa players aspect I guess). Not sure what benefits they'd be looking for, but it usually isn't that easy to come to a compromise on such issues about benefits unless they have a good relationship to begin with. GSL actually already offered them - I think it was 2 seeds into each Code S, Code A, and U/D. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:51 ShiroKaisen wrote: GSL actually already offered them - I think it was 2 seeds into each Code S, Code A, and U/D. I thought it was 2/2 and then 4 for U/D? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:39 Femari wrote: But it's still something different. KeSPA previously said only GSL5 only, didn't say anything about the future. Now KeSPA is saying GSL5 and onwards. Meaning ESF will probably respond. It's still ridiculous to talk about the future when you cannot even agree on the present. It's lip service man. Nothing more; nothing less. The Admin had every right to close it. | ||
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Moka
Canada942 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:50 Weirdkid wrote: I think it'd be hard for Kespa and Gom to come to a decision about season 4 so fast though. If I'm not wrong, Kespa probably wants some benefits for the Kespa teams as well for their participation in GSL since their participation in the GSL means the GSL becomes more entertaining (Probably because of the ESF players vs. Kespa players aspect I guess). Not sure what benefits they'd be looking for, but it usually isn't that easy to come to a compromise on such issues about benefits unless they have a good relationship to begin with. But with ESF players playing in the OSL, they are benefiting from the ESF vs Kespa players aspect. It would be fair for everyone if they just participated in the GSL 4 no? | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:48 Megiddosc wrote: All KeSPA has to do is allow players from teams who are not involved with Proleague playoffs the availability to try out at the GSL4 qualifiers and accept the seeds given by GOM. If they do that, then the conditions required by ESF are met and OSL will go on just as planned. That would be a rather suicidal move by Kespa. By definition teams not involved with PL playoffs are the teams with weakest players. Kespa cannot have its players play bad in GSL. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:51 ShiroKaisen wrote: GSL actually already offered them - I think it was 2 seeds into each Code S, Code A, and U/D. Oh yea that's true too haha. Those are pretty nice benefits. I guess I was thinking more about monetary benefits or something. And to the guy after you, yea it's 2, 2, 4 for S, UD, A. Edit: To Moka. Yea haha. That's still the part that's weirdest for the parties to resolve I guess. Who gets the first broadcast for a league with ESF players and Kespa players. My guess is that if the tournaments started at the same period this wouldn't be such a tough situation to settle  | ||
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:55 Frankon wrote: That would be a rather suicidal move by Kespa. By definition teams not involved with PL playoffs are the teams with weakest players. Kespa cannot have its players play bad in GSL. Not by definition, sometimes good teams get edged out. Woongjin Stars, STX Soul, and KT Rolster all have one or two players each you could send. Between Soulkey and ZerO for Stars, Trap and Last for STX, and Stats and Flash for KT, you'd have a pretty good contingent. I wouldn't want to send Flash though if I were KT, because he's clearly not ready for GSL. EDIT: with regards to "who gets to do KeSPA vs GOM first," Blizzard got it and GOMTV got to broadcast it. It's really KeSPA's turn, honestly, and the OSL group selection built the story really well. But the first ever "dishwashers vs Code S" league was WCS Korea, cast and broadcast by GOMTV. | ||
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