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stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
August 26 2012 20:27 GMT
#1301
Cause kespa runs the show in bw. Someone tries to break away from them and they could just take away their pro-gaming license.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 26 2012 20:27 GMT
#1302
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.

BgSBendeR
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 20:32:30
August 26 2012 20:29 GMT
#1303
On August 27 2012 05:25 achan1058 wrote:
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On August 27 2012 05:21 BgSBendeR wrote:
KeSPA sponsors only care about Korean market. Sending their players abroad is just an extra expense with no benefits to them. If you were a team manager. Would you honestly want to pay to send your players in a tournament in a different country.. with no benefits..? eSF teams have international sponsors.. whichis why they there's actually benefits in them attending foreign tournaments. More exposure for their sponsors.

Exactly, which begs the question. Why is Samsung still in KeSPA. (Who knows, maybe they are already looking at an exit strategy while we are speaking)

Samsung has a branch in Korea you know..
Edit: Actually someone pointed out that Samsung is a korean compagny. Didn't actually know that.
For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 20:30:38
August 26 2012 20:29 GMT
#1304
On August 27 2012 05:25 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

If KeSPA really supports its players, why isn't it helping their players become real stars internationally? Instead, they are just trying to help OGN, a profit seeking company.


Cause they are not a players' union, duh. KeSPA is supposed to be working for SKT, KT, Samsung, and STX, not players.
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
August 26 2012 20:29 GMT
#1305
On August 27 2012 05:29 BgSBendeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:25 achan1058 wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:21 BgSBendeR wrote:
KeSPA sponsors only care about Korean market. Sending their players abroad is just an extra expense with no benefits to them. If you were a team manager. Would you honestly want to pay to send your players in a tournament in a different country.. with no benefits..? eSF teams have international sponsors.. whichis why they there's actually benefits in them attending foreign tournaments. More exposure for their sponsors.

Exactly, which begs the question. Why is Samsung still in KeSPA. (Who knows, maybe they are already looking at an exit strategy while we are speaking)

Samsung has a branch in Korea you know..


Samsung is KOREAN company. So I have no idea what you two are actually talking about o_O
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 20:31:40
August 26 2012 20:30 GMT
#1306
On August 27 2012 05:29 BgSBendeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:25 achan1058 wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:21 BgSBendeR wrote:
KeSPA sponsors only care about Korean market. Sending their players abroad is just an extra expense with no benefits to them. If you were a team manager. Would you honestly want to pay to send your players in a tournament in a different country.. with no benefits..? eSF teams have international sponsors.. whichis why they there's actually benefits in them attending foreign tournaments. More exposure for their sponsors.

Exactly, which begs the question. Why is Samsung still in KeSPA. (Who knows, maybe they are already looking at an exit strategy while we are speaking)

Samsung has a branch in Korea you know..

I know Samsung is a Korean company, so is LG, but LG clearly backed an eSF team. For good reasons, since LG exports world wide, as does Samsung.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
August 26 2012 20:30 GMT
#1307
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.



And what they're willing to sacrifice exemplifies how much they do not want KeSPA to get away with shafting GOM.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 26 2012 20:31 GMT
#1308
On August 27 2012 05:30 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.



And what they're willing to sacrifice exemplifies how much they do not want KeSPA to get away with shafting GOM.


Please find every RO16 GSL players' comments or tweets to support this statement.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
August 26 2012 20:33 GMT
#1309
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.



Yes the players are making a decision which they consider best for the greater good, not neccesarelly best for themselves.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 26 2012 20:33 GMT
#1310
On August 27 2012 05:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:30 rd wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.



And what they're willing to sacrifice exemplifies how much they do not want KeSPA to get away with shafting GOM.


Please find every RO16 GSL players' comments or tweets to support this statement.


Wait you do know the players in the OSL (gsl players in the OSL) discussed this right? You realize they all agreed to this. They aren't forced to boycott it, GOM didnt' ask them they did it themselves.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Thehealbus
Profile Joined July 2011
38 Posts
August 26 2012 20:33 GMT
#1311
On August 27 2012 04:57 Sandermatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 04:55 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:54 achan1058 wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:54 ElephantBaby wrote:
So this OSL is done, right? What about those GSL players who want to attend OSL, I bet there are some. Do they get the "freedom" to do so?

The players have been consulted when they made this decision.


I bet KeSPA also "consulted", whatever that means.


KeSPA is the sponsors, eSF it the players. KeSPA can take licenses away. eSF has no power over it's members.


Well since the organization is the players, the decisions they make would have power since their members are the ones deciding.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
August 26 2012 20:34 GMT
#1312
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.


Maybe, but in short term. The players have interest in playing in both GSL AND OSL for obvious reasons. If they do not boycott(or at least threaten to do it) OSL now and KeSPA players don't join GSL, then GSL will die slowly(again for obvious reasons) and there will be only one big tournament left. Also when there is only OSL left nobody can stop KeSPA to make Pro licenses required again and ban every non-KeSPA player from OSL.
BgSBendeR
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada170 Posts
August 26 2012 20:35 GMT
#1313
On August 27 2012 05:33 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:30 rd wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.



And what they're willing to sacrifice exemplifies how much they do not want KeSPA to get away with shafting GOM.


Please find every RO16 GSL players' comments or tweets to support this statement.


Wait you do know the players in the OSL (gsl players in the OSL) discussed this right? You realize they all agreed to this. They aren't forced to boycott it, GOM didnt' ask them they did it themselves.

If you honestly believe GOM had nothing to do with the decision to boycott, then you're a moron. Sorry there's no other way to say it.
For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 26 2012 20:35 GMT
#1314
On August 27 2012 05:33 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:30 rd wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.



And what they're willing to sacrifice exemplifies how much they do not want KeSPA to get away with shafting GOM.


Please find every RO16 GSL players' comments or tweets to support this statement.


Wait you do know the players in the OSL (gsl players in the OSL) discussed this right? You realize they all agreed to this. They aren't forced to boycott it, GOM didnt' ask them they did it themselves.


Don't quote "they", please find every comments from every players. KeSPA can also say "they" agreed.

stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
August 26 2012 20:35 GMT
#1315
On August 27 2012 05:27 BgSBendeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:23 stangstang wrote:
Exactly. If these teams are forced to join kespa, the chances you'll see mvp oversee's significantly decreases. And if you want to say otherwise, take this weekend MLG-kespa as an example.

Again you're wrong. Stop posting random bullshit. There was no KeSPA players at MLG for valid reasons. Look it up.
As for KeSPA teams not attending other foreign tournaments asides from MLG, it's simply because it's an expense without benefits.


You're right. There was a valid reason. Same as they have a valid reason for not attending gsl 4. And they'll have valid reasons for not going to any international tournament in the future too.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
August 26 2012 20:36 GMT
#1316
On August 27 2012 05:17 Leonite7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.


And what has eSF ever done to fight terrorism and end world hunger? Nothing whatsoever! They're basically HITLER.

Stop trying to twist his words. That is not in any way what he said, he pointed that this supposed "players union" is not helping their players they are just fucking with KeSPA. Take that Godwin's Law bullshit out of teamliquid.

I would have to strongly disagree with you. The eSF players are not fucking with KeSPA. If anything, they remember all too well the days when most of them had to suck KeSPA's dick, or else. I would say fear is probably one of the big motivators for the eSF. Fear that somehow KeSPA will take over again, fear that KeSPA is attempting to take over the scene again. This brings to light the biggest difference between KeSPA and eSF: KeSPA owns its players (through the progamer licenses) eSF doesn't. If an eSF member decided to leave their team in disagreement over this issue, they only have to worry about resolving their team contract (if they have one). If a KeSPA player decided to leave their team to play in the GSL, they would be banned from participating in all KeSPA events(because their progamer license would be revoked) as well as having to resolve their team contract.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
BgSBendeR
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 20:37:51
August 26 2012 20:37 GMT
#1317
On August 27 2012 05:35 stangstang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 05:27 BgSBendeR wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:23 stangstang wrote:
Exactly. If these teams are forced to join kespa, the chances you'll see mvp oversee's significantly decreases. And if you want to say otherwise, take this weekend MLG-kespa as an example.

Again you're wrong. Stop posting random bullshit. There was no KeSPA players at MLG for valid reasons. Look it up.
As for KeSPA teams not attending other foreign tournaments asides from MLG, it's simply because it's an expense without benefits.


You're right. There was a valid reason. Same as they have a valid reason for not attending gsl 4. And they'll have valid reasons for not going to any international tournament in the future too.

There is a valid reason. Read my post again.. In fact here, ill highlight it for you.

it's an expense without benefits.
For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
August 26 2012 20:37 GMT
#1318
On August 27 2012 05:33 Thehealbus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 04:57 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:55 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:54 achan1058 wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:54 ElephantBaby wrote:
So this OSL is done, right? What about those GSL players who want to attend OSL, I bet there are some. Do they get the "freedom" to do so?

The players have been consulted when they made this decision.


I bet KeSPA also "consulted", whatever that means.


KeSPA is the sponsors, eSF it the players. KeSPA can take licenses away. eSF has no power over it's members.


Well since the organization is the players, the decisions they make would have power since their members are the ones deciding.


The organization is the coaches and team leaders, the players do whatever they are told to, lol. What, do you seriously think a 15 year old kid like Leenock or Maru gets a vote of any relevance in matters such as this? As for MC and Oz following suit, of course they have to do it - basically the entire scene around them would despise them if they didn't. It's completely out of the question in a situation like this.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
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Last Edited: 2012-08-26 20:39:48
August 26 2012 20:38 GMT
#1319
On August 27 2012 05:37 Salazarz wrote:
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On August 27 2012 05:33 Thehealbus wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:57 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:55 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:54 achan1058 wrote:
On August 27 2012 04:54 ElephantBaby wrote:
So this OSL is done, right? What about those GSL players who want to attend OSL, I bet there are some. Do they get the "freedom" to do so?

The players have been consulted when they made this decision.


I bet KeSPA also "consulted", whatever that means.


KeSPA is the sponsors, eSF it the players. KeSPA can take licenses away. eSF has no power over it's members.


Well since the organization is the players, the decisions they make would have power since their members are the ones deciding.


The organization is the coaches and team leaders, the players do whatever they are told to, lol. What, do you seriously think a 15 year old kid like Leenock or Maru gets a vote of any relevance in matters such as this? As for MC and Oz following suit, of course they have to do it - basically the entire scene around them would despise them if they didn't. It's completely out of the question in a situation like this.

Yes, and Choya isn't exactly that much older than Leenock or Maru. Yet he's a good enough negotiator to have fOu being bought by FXO. "Kids" these days are scary, aren't they.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 26 2012 20:39 GMT
#1320
On August 27 2012 05:35 ElephantBaby wrote:
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On August 27 2012 05:33 blade55555 wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:30 rd wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:27 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:20 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote:
You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\


Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case.


Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves?

First GSL players/=eSF players.
Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members.
eSF are a group of players/coaches.


If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company.

Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant.


They boycott next OSL, that's completely fine. But this OSL, lots of players already put huge efforts in, and most of them dreamed about this for years. That's not cool at all. That's a huge sacrifice from those players, it is possible that some of them may never come back to make another OSL RO16 again. That's clearly against players' interest at this very moment.



And what they're willing to sacrifice exemplifies how much they do not want KeSPA to get away with shafting GOM.


Please find every RO16 GSL players' comments or tweets to support this statement.


Wait you do know the players in the OSL (gsl players in the OSL) discussed this right? You realize they all agreed to this. They aren't forced to boycott it, GOM didnt' ask them they did it themselves.


Don't quote "they", please find every comments from every players. KeSPA can also say "they" agreed.




Well fuck the ESF players had a meeting and nestea wrote it. I mean you act like some manager wrote it but NESTEA wrote the article. I mean jesus I can't believe how many of you are so butt hurt about the ESF players doing something good and not letting kespa run the show like they did in BW.

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