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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:05 Teddyman wrote: MC or Oz certainly could have. It doesn't even matter actually, you can compete in Gom leagues even if you're not part of eSF. Indeed. MC's a big enough name to do basically anything he wants. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote: You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\ Doesn't explain why players outside of ESF are also boycotting OSL. I mean, is it not possible for them to generally dislike KeSPA's actions, or do all Koreans simply love KeSPA's draconian approach to e-sports? | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:05 ElephantBaby wrote: Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case. Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves? First GSL players/=eSF players. Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members. eSF are a group of players/coaches. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:08 rd wrote: Doesn't explain why players outside of ESF are also boycotting OSL. I mean, is it not possible for them to generally dislike KeSPA's actions, or do all Koreans simply love KeSPA's draconian approach to e-sports? From what I heard, the Korean forums are even more negative towards KeSPA. | ||
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stangstang
Canada281 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:10 stangstang wrote: Esf is also fighting for KESPA players rights. Kespa runs their players on a schedule, and yes maybe that's is the best way. But they believe their players should have their own choices on which tournaments to enter. Some players stretch themselves too thin, (huk, past-mc, past-drg) but at least that is their choice. I would personally argue that it benefits even some sponsors. They have the freedom to send players to tournaments without having to deal with rest of KeSPA. Just suppose if LG-IM was in KeSPA, can they send MvP+Nestea to IEM with the expense of WCS? Probably not. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:08 Sandermatt wrote: Did you read any of the former reponses? A puppy of whom? Of themselves? First GSL players/=eSF players. Only 6 of the 8 OSL qualifiers are eSF members. eSF are a group of players/coaches. If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote: If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company. And what has eSF ever done to fight terrorism and end world hunger? Nothing whatsoever! They're basically HITLER. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote: And what has eSF ever done to fight terrorism and end world hunger? Nothing whatsoever! They're basically HITLER. Stop trying to twist his words. That is not in any way what he said, he pointed that this supposed "players union" is not helping their players they are just fucking with KeSPA. Take that Godwin's Law bullshit out of teamliquid. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote: If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company. What is that even supposed to mean, "become a real star in Korea?" And they're trying to prevent KeSPA from taking over the Korean Starcraft scene again. Is it too much to ask that Korea isn't monopolized and completely isolated from the world? | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote: And what has eSF ever done to fight terrorism and end world hunger? Nothing whatsoever! They're basically HITLER. You said it! Not me. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote: If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company. Many of their members became stars through GOM, and if GOM falls they might have to join KeSPA in order to continue playing in korea. MC has won over 300'000 dollars price money mostly from the GSL. The GSL has made schedules that allows their players to attend foreign tournaments. They do not want OSL to fail, they just want both leagues relevant. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:09 achan1058 wrote: From what I heard, the Korean forums are even more negative towards KeSPA. I have heard this as well. Its way more black and white over there. | ||
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BgSBendeR
Canada170 Posts
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stangstang
Canada281 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:21 BgSBendeR wrote: KeSPA sponsors only care about Korean market. Sending their players abroad is just an extra expense with no benefits to them. If you were a team manager. Would you honestly want to pay to send your players in a tournament in a different country.. with no benefits..? eSF teams have international sponsors.. whichis why they there's actually benefits in them attending foreign tournaments. More exposure for their sponsors. Exactly, which begs the question. Why is Samsung still in KeSPA. (Who knows, maybe they are already looking at an exit strategy while we are speaking) | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:14 ElephantBaby wrote: If ESF is really a players union, why isn't it helping their players to become real star in Korea? Instead, they are just trying to help GOM, a profit seeking company. If KeSPA really supports its players, why isn't it helping their players become real stars internationally? Instead, they are just trying to help OGN, a profit seeking company. | ||
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Swisslink
2949 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote: You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\ Well... 8 GOMtv Players were in the OSL: - NesTea definitely HAD a choice... Otherwise he wouldn't release such a statement - There is NO connection between the ESL and Oz/MC. They might have asked them to support this step, but they certainly could have decided against it. For the other 5 guys, one coule argue that they kinda HAD to agree due to the pressure ("Oh... Everyone agrees, it's probably a good thing"). But they definitely weren't forced to agree ;-) And... The main problem probably was that the KESPA already found some kind of excuse right before the GSL Season 3 started... Who should trust them to not do the same once the OSL is over? | ||
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BgSBendeR
Canada170 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:23 stangstang wrote: Exactly. If these teams are forced to join kespa, the chances you'll see mvp oversee's significantly decreases. And if you want to say otherwise, take this weekend MLG-kespa as an example. Again you're wrong. Stop posting random bullshit. There was no KeSPA players at MLG for valid reasons. Look it up. As for KeSPA teams not attending other foreign tournaments asides from MLG, it's simply because it's an expense without benefits. | ||
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