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Yeah time is ticking. Also Blizzard has yet to respond to all this.
I think ESF should back out of every OSL tournament for every tournament Kespa backs out of.
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On August 27 2012 04:06 Medrea wrote:
Yeah time is ticking. Also Blizzard has yet to respond to all this.
I think ESF should back out of every OSL tournament for every tournament Kespa backs out of.
I think blizzard will try to solve behind closed doors, kespa will participate in gsl 4 and esf will participate in osl.
Or everything blows up and we get a gom/kespa (non-game) rivalry, which no one wants.. ):
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On August 27 2012 04:00 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:52 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business. Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks... GOM is just trying for even terms, even participation from both sides, you must be extremely biased to not see that it is going both ways, KeSPA is the one withholding from GOM, not the other way around. If KeSPA just agrees to let it's players participate in GSL then there will be no problems, none. Also I really think you should improve your posting quality, calling GOM greedy fucks is just not necessary.
You don't see other thing - Proleague is still going on and will end at september. Proleague means Broodwar. So, while yes, there is business interests and geed from both side, you can't ignore fact that Kespa players still practising at broodwar. So, it's logical for Kespa (being players association) to protect players and Proleague.
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On August 27 2012 04:05 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. So you admit that KeSPA is trying to hurt GOM, yet you say that GOM/ESF are the ones being dicks for retaliating in kind? And for the record, as far as SC2 is concerned, GOMTV is where the competition is at. If KeSPA wants a piece of the competition maybe they should just play nice and allow player participation in the GSL.
They're not trying to hurt GOM at all and to be honest they can't at the moment even if they wanted to. GOM currently has the best players in sc2. KeSPA is just trying to lay ground work for the future with the OSL. GOm is already established..
In a way, you could say both leagues are fighting to remain relevant..
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On August 27 2012 04:09 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:06 Medrea wrote:
Yeah time is ticking. Also Blizzard has yet to respond to all this.
I think ESF should back out of every OSL tournament for every tournament Kespa backs out of.
I think blizzard will try to solve behind closed doors, kespa will participate in gsl 4 and esf will participate in osl. Or everything blows up and we get a gom/kespa (non-game) rivalry, which no one wants.. ):
Right, well.
Better happen fast.
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On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days.
It was the top league in the BW days. If they want to be it in SC2 they will need to have the best production value/player treatment and the best sponsor exposure. They should achieve this by quality, not by banning their players from the competition.
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On August 27 2012 04:13 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:09 Yorbon wrote:On August 27 2012 04:06 Medrea wrote:
Yeah time is ticking. Also Blizzard has yet to respond to all this.
I think ESF should back out of every OSL tournament for every tournament Kespa backs out of.
I think blizzard will try to solve behind closed doors, kespa will participate in gsl 4 and esf will participate in osl. Or everything blows up and we get a gom/kespa (non-game) rivalry, which no one wants.. ): Right, well. Better happen fast. If anything, i don't want players to suffer. But maybe that's asked too much.
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On August 27 2012 04:10 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:05 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. So you admit that KeSPA is trying to hurt GOM, yet you say that GOM/ESF are the ones being dicks for retaliating in kind? And for the record, as far as SC2 is concerned, GOMTV is where the competition is at. If KeSPA wants a piece of the competition maybe they should just play nice and allow player participation in the GSL. They're not trying to hurt GOM at all and to be honest they can't at the moment even if they wanted to. GOM currently has the best players in sc2. KeSPA is just trying to lay ground work for the future with the OSL. GOm is already established.. In a way, you could say both leagues are fighting to remain relevant..
I just have the feeling eSF wants a future where both leagues are relevant and Kespa wants a future with OSL as the major league and a marginalized GSL, at least they behave this way.
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On August 27 2012 04:10 elagrion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:00 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:52 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business. Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks... GOM is just trying for even terms, even participation from both sides, you must be extremely biased to not see that it is going both ways, KeSPA is the one withholding from GOM, not the other way around. If KeSPA just agrees to let it's players participate in GSL then there will be no problems, none. Also I really think you should improve your posting quality, calling GOM greedy fucks is just not necessary. You don't see other thing - Proleague is still going on and will end at september. Proleague means Broodwar. So, while yes, there is business interests and geed from both side, you can't ignore fact that Kespa players still practising at broodwar. So, it's logical for Kespa (being players association) to protect players and Proleague.
I'm going to be honest; I'd be shocked if they put ANY practice into BW at this point. There is almost 0 reason to, after this monster that is proleague ends it will only be SC2. Judging by the quality of proleague(what I've watched) they have pretty much transitioned purely into sc2 at this point.
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On August 27 2012 04:10 elagrion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:00 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:52 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business. Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks... GOM is just trying for even terms, even participation from both sides, you must be extremely biased to not see that it is going both ways, KeSPA is the one withholding from GOM, not the other way around. If KeSPA just agrees to let it's players participate in GSL then there will be no problems, none. Also I really think you should improve your posting quality, calling GOM greedy fucks is just not necessary. You don't see other thing - Proleague is still going on and will end at september. Proleague means Broodwar. So, while yes, there is business interests and geed from both side, you can't ignore fact that Kespa players still practising at broodwar. So, it's logical for Kespa (being players association) to protect players and Proleague.
Kespa stands for "Korean e-Sports Association". So no player association. As far as I understood it Kespa is basically the sponsors.
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On August 27 2012 04:18 Sikly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:10 elagrion wrote:On August 27 2012 04:00 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:52 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business. Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks... GOM is just trying for even terms, even participation from both sides, you must be extremely biased to not see that it is going both ways, KeSPA is the one withholding from GOM, not the other way around. If KeSPA just agrees to let it's players participate in GSL then there will be no problems, none. Also I really think you should improve your posting quality, calling GOM greedy fucks is just not necessary. You don't see other thing - Proleague is still going on and will end at september. Proleague means Broodwar. So, while yes, there is business interests and geed from both side, you can't ignore fact that Kespa players still practising at broodwar. So, it's logical for Kespa (being players association) to protect players and Proleague. I'm going to be honest; I'd be shocked if they put ANY practice into BW at this point. There is almost 0 reason to, after this monster that is proleague ends it will only be SC2. Judging by the quality of proleague(what I've watched) they have pretty much transitioned purely into sc2 at this point.
Did you see the matches last night? Cheese-tastic. At one point Sayle had a casting ragequit during Light/Stats and went AFK while looping Gangnam Style.
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On August 27 2012 04:15 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. It was the top league in the BW days. If they want to be it in SC2 they will need to have the best production value/player treatment and the best sponsor exposure. They should achieve this by quality, not by banning their players from the competition.
You honestly don't get it. Right now its not even a fair playing field. eSF players are above KeSPA players. There's no denying that. KeSPA wants their players to actually be competitive which is why they're delaying entry to GSL until season 5 which is when the proleague will be a sc2 only league and will be equal if not better than current eSF/GOM pros.
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On August 27 2012 04:09 Yorbon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:06 Medrea wrote:
Yeah time is ticking. Also Blizzard has yet to respond to all this.
I think ESF should back out of every OSL tournament for every tournament Kespa backs out of.
I think blizzard will try to solve behind closed doors, kespa will participate in gsl 4 and esf will participate in osl. Or everything blows up and we get a gom/kespa (non-game) rivalry, which no one wants.. ):
Blizzard still has the banning tournament trump card, and I doubt neither side would want to run a pirate server. However, Blizzard would be reluctant to use this, for obvious reasons.
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On August 27 2012 04:20 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:15 Sandermatt wrote:On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. It was the top league in the BW days. If they want to be it in SC2 they will need to have the best production value/player treatment and the best sponsor exposure. They should achieve this by quality, not by banning their players from the competition. You honestly don't get it. Right now its not even a fair playing field. eSF players are above KeSPA players. There's no denying that. KeSPA wants their players to actually be competitive which is why they're delaying entry to GSL until season 5 which is when the proleague will be a sc2 only league and will be equal if not better than current eSF/GOM pros.
If they wanted to keep their players separate to protect them, why did they open the OSL to the eSF players?
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On August 27 2012 04:20 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:15 Sandermatt wrote:On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. It was the top league in the BW days. If they want to be it in SC2 they will need to have the best production value/player treatment and the best sponsor exposure. They should achieve this by quality, not by banning their players from the competition. You honestly don't get it. Right now its not even a fair playing field. eSF players are above KeSPA players. There's no denying that. KeSPA wants their players to actually be competitive which is why they're delaying entry to GSL until season 5 which is when the proleague will be a sc2 only league and will be equal if not better than current eSF/GOM pros.
But then OSL should not have ESF players.
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On August 27 2012 04:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:18 Sikly wrote:On August 27 2012 04:10 elagrion wrote:On August 27 2012 04:00 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:52 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business. Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks... GOM is just trying for even terms, even participation from both sides, you must be extremely biased to not see that it is going both ways, KeSPA is the one withholding from GOM, not the other way around. If KeSPA just agrees to let it's players participate in GSL then there will be no problems, none. Also I really think you should improve your posting quality, calling GOM greedy fucks is just not necessary. You don't see other thing - Proleague is still going on and will end at september. Proleague means Broodwar. So, while yes, there is business interests and geed from both side, you can't ignore fact that Kespa players still practising at broodwar. So, it's logical for Kespa (being players association) to protect players and Proleague. I'm going to be honest; I'd be shocked if they put ANY practice into BW at this point. There is almost 0 reason to, after this monster that is proleague ends it will only be SC2. Judging by the quality of proleague(what I've watched) they have pretty much transitioned purely into sc2 at this point. Did you see the matches last night? Cheese-tastic. At one point Sayle had a casting ragequit during Light/Stats and went AFK while looping Gangnam Style.
Do you know where I can find a record of this ragequit? Sounds funny.
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On August 27 2012 04:10 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:05 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. So you admit that KeSPA is trying to hurt GOM, yet you say that GOM/ESF are the ones being dicks for retaliating in kind? And for the record, as far as SC2 is concerned, GOMTV is where the competition is at. If KeSPA wants a piece of the competition maybe they should just play nice and allow player participation in the GSL. They're not trying to hurt GOM at all and to be honest they can't at the moment even if they wanted to. GOM currently has the best players in sc2. KeSPA is just trying to lay ground work for the future with the OSL. GOm is already established.. In a way, you could say both leagues are fighting to remain relevant..
I beg to differ, if OSL was the only league with the KeSPA/ESF rivalry I think it would hurt GOM, perhaps it wouldn't seem to be too significant at first, but the long term effects could be serious.
I definitely agree with your last point though, but I feel like both leagues would be in great shape if they just allow free participation both ways. Of course, this is just my opinion, there's no way to know how things would really play out.
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On August 27 2012 04:21 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:09 Yorbon wrote:On August 27 2012 04:06 Medrea wrote:
Yeah time is ticking. Also Blizzard has yet to respond to all this.
I think ESF should back out of every OSL tournament for every tournament Kespa backs out of.
I think blizzard will try to solve behind closed doors, kespa will participate in gsl 4 and esf will participate in osl. Or everything blows up and we get a gom/kespa (non-game) rivalry, which no one wants.. ): Blizzard still has the banning tournament trump card, and I doubt neither side would want to run a pirate server. However, Blizzard would be reluctant to use this, for obvious reasons. Because of this, i am slightly optimistic. On the other hand, as you say, blizzard doesn't want any of the parties to quit sc2. So they are in quite the dilemma.
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On August 27 2012 04:20 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:15 Sandermatt wrote:On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. It was the top league in the BW days. If they want to be it in SC2 they will need to have the best production value/player treatment and the best sponsor exposure. They should achieve this by quality, not by banning their players from the competition. You honestly don't get it. Right now its not even a fair playing field. eSF players are above KeSPA players. There's no denying that. KeSPA wants their players to actually be competitive which is why they're delaying entry to GSL until season 5 which is when the proleague will be a sc2 only league and will be equal if not better than current eSF/GOM pros.
If they felt they weren't ready to enter the GSL that'd be perfectly fine. But why are they saying it's an issue with scheduling then? Why can't they just come out and say it as they did before when everyone thought it was a perfectly reasonable excuse to back out of a GSL when they weren't ready the previous season? ESF is threatening to undermine OSL because KeSPA won't participate, presumably because they believe KeSPA to be undermining GSL. Why the fuck can't KeSPA simply come out and clarify? Either the guy in charge of KeSPA's communications needs to be fired, or they're just the same old shady KeSPA.
Just more on the spot bullshit speculation to spin everything in favor of KeSPA.
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On August 27 2012 04:22 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:20 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 04:15 Sandermatt wrote:On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days. It was the top league in the BW days. If they want to be it in SC2 they will need to have the best production value/player treatment and the best sponsor exposure. They should achieve this by quality, not by banning their players from the competition. You honestly don't get it. Right now its not even a fair playing field. eSF players are above KeSPA players. There's no denying that. KeSPA wants their players to actually be competitive which is why they're delaying entry to GSL until season 5 which is when the proleague will be a sc2 only league and will be equal if not better than current eSF/GOM pros. If they wanted to keep their players separate to protect them, why did they open the OSL to the eSF players?
To lay foundation for SC2 OSL as a League with the best players. GOM is already established currently with the best players. They really have nothing to lose. Only way they might be in slight trouble is if KesPA players become the best sc2 players in korea by GSL season 5(Which will most likely happen simply because of kespa teams practice schedules).
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