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On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. I only agree with your last sentence. Because esf also has a share of power (as i elaborated on earlier, their part of the rivalry; it takes two to tango), it is a mistake.
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On August 27 2012 03:42 Teddyman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. How about you post proof of this bribery? You accuse them of something on the level of match fixing. The root of the problem is that KeSPA said they wanted to cooperate but they aren't. If they wanted to cooperate they would treat GSL like the old MSL, not like the old GomTV Classic. Now it's basically "we'll play in your tournament if we happen to have some time left over."
Do you honestly believe GOM has nothing to do with eSF pulling out of OSL..?
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On August 27 2012 03:41 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:40 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:38 bo1b wrote:
Its actually amazing how an unsuccessful company like Gom can afford to bribe 8 different teams. bribing doesn't necessary has to be with money.. What does gom have to offer the 8 players that chose to withdraw from the osl that kespa doesn't?
Sex, drugs and rock and roll.
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On August 27 2012 03:07 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 02:33 Sethronu wrote:
As for KeSPA 'killing off Gom' stuff... again, KeSPA is NOT a broadcaster, they do NOT gain revenue from OSL streams or what have you. It doesn't matter much to KeSPA whether their teams' play is broadcasted by OGN or GomTV; they might prefer OGN as their primary broadcaster because they have a longer and, in the most recent days, more peaceful relationship with them, but considering that they already have the interest of OGN's viewers, while GSL fanbase is basically untapped potential for them, it makes no sense trying to stifle GomTV just for the sake of it at this point.
KeSPA may not gain revenue directly from broadcasting, but popularity of OSL definitely benefits their teams and players. Like I said, the decision to stay out of GSL might not be to intentionally hurt Gom, but that's what it will do.
from fxo boss statement:
1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party.
so kespa does this to make ogn only woth league and gom die with no other reason
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On August 27 2012 03:44 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:07 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 02:33 Sethronu wrote:
As for KeSPA 'killing off Gom' stuff... again, KeSPA is NOT a broadcaster, they do NOT gain revenue from OSL streams or what have you. It doesn't matter much to KeSPA whether their teams' play is broadcasted by OGN or GomTV; they might prefer OGN as their primary broadcaster because they have a longer and, in the most recent days, more peaceful relationship with them, but considering that they already have the interest of OGN's viewers, while GSL fanbase is basically untapped potential for them, it makes no sense trying to stifle GomTV just for the sake of it at this point.
KeSPA may not gain revenue directly from broadcasting, but popularity of OSL definitely benefits their teams and players. Like I said, the decision to stay out of GSL might not be to intentionally hurt Gom, but that's what it will do. from fxo boss statement: 1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party. so kespa does this to make ogn only woth league and gom die with no other reason
The one problem I have with that is that both leagues stand to profit if the other exists. So long as the times aren't overlapping in schedule then there is very little reason to watch one over the other when both has the same pool of players available.
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On August 27 2012 03:44 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:42 Teddyman wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. How about you post proof of this bribery? You accuse them of something on the level of match fixing. The root of the problem is that KeSPA said they wanted to cooperate but they aren't. If they wanted to cooperate they would treat GSL like the old MSL, not like the old GomTV Classic. Now it's basically "we'll play in your tournament if we happen to have some time left over." Do you honestly believe GOM has nothing to do with eSF pulling out of OSL..?
"Nothing to do with" is not the logical opposite of bribery. They might have asked ESF to pull out but that's not bribery.
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This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business.
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On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that.
It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have traditionally been difficult to break through.
Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there.
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On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business.
Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks...
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On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there.
You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it.
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On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it.
How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic.
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On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it.
So in your words:
KeSPA only thinks about their image and what is good for business. Therefore, Gom/ESF are being greedy and dickish.
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On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic.
Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days.
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On August 27 2012 03:27 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 02:34 zeratul_jf wrote:
Dude i wish Kespa would just let them play, I just wanna see the best starcraft possible and i think the Kespa players can make this happen, not only to their own skill but also motivating the GSL players to train harder and become better. Blame eSF, KeSPA was offering the best starcraft possible through OSL. eSF pulled out because GOM bribed them to do so. KeSPA = good guys, GOM/eSF = bad guys.
GOM wanted to provide the best starcraft too through GSL. KeSPA is allowed to pull out of GSL and make OSL the amazing tournament but ESF is evil for retaliating because they want THEIR tournament to be amazing?
That, and you're literally just making shit up out of no where.
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On August 27 2012 03:52 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business. Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks...
GOM is just trying for even terms, even participation from both sides, you must be extremely biased to not see that it is going both ways, KeSPA is the one withholding from GOM, not the other way around. If KeSPA just agrees to let it's players participate in GSL then there will be no problems, none.
Also I really think you should improve your posting quality, calling GOM greedy fucks is just not necessary.
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On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days.
Are real people so petty as to believe that a person playing in one tournament reduces the integrity of another? Don't answer that, it's 5am and I need to go to sleep.
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On August 27 2012 03:52 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:49 Havik_ wrote:
This makes sense. Why in the blue hell should the ESF guys play in the OSL if the Kespa guys wont play in the GSL? Its unfortunate for the scene I feel like, but its business. Just that. It's strictly business. and GOMTV is being greedy about it. KeSPA agreed to play in the WCS which was all broadcasted by GOM only.. KeSPA didn't really gain anything from it expect proving that their players are indeed catching up fast. Now GOM wants even more. Greedy fucks...
WCS was a Blizzard tournament and there was no way Kespa was going to not run in a Blizzard tournament since Blizzard sort of has all the power.
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can't wait for kespa's decision, are they still unwilling to let go and let their players play in season 4 and/or continuously after season 5? <_>
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KeSPA bans ESF players from attending OSL.
OSL still provides the best games.
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On August 27 2012 03:59 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:57 bo1b wrote:On August 27 2012 03:56 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 27 2012 03:50 Myrddraal wrote:On August 27 2012 03:36 BgSBendeR wrote:
The reason eSF and GOM wants KeSPA to participate in the GSL so badly is actually quite simple. They want to beat the KeSPA players now while they're still catching and declare themselves as the best in sc2...
If KeSPA delays entry to GSL until Season 5, Kespa players will have fully transitioned to sc2 by then would be a lot better than the current sc2 pros since kespa players actually practice >.>
At the moment, it's not an even playing field. People will watch the league with the best players. GOM wants to secure that spot which is why they're being dicks and bribing eSF to pull out of OSL.
KeSPA is doing what any business would do. Protecting their brand. What' wrong with that. It's only wrong because in doing it they are hurting another brand in the process. I really don't think they have anything to lose by participating in the GSL, if they did do poorly nobody would fault them since their transition is so recent. They don't even have to send all their "extremely busy" top quality players, they just have to allow the teams the freedom to choose and maybe put a few players into the GSL preliminaries or accept any seeds that GOM is willing to give. There is no shame in losing in the preliminaries either, as they have been traditionally difficult to break through. Your argument really has no merit, as if ESF really just wanted to beat the KeSPA players they would just stay in OSL and beat them there. You really underestimate the value of an organization's image. if they send the Weaker b-teamer players in the GSL, It will make it look like Kespa players are bad. Which is not what they want. If they send their popular top players, more people will watch GSL and it might make the OSL look bad. which again is bad for business. The correct thing to do is delay entry until the full transition (by season 5) which is what they're doing but GOM and eSF are being dicks about it. How does sending flash to the gsl make the osl look bad? If anything, the performances at wcs made kespa players look fantastic. Business... It will make it look like GOMTV is where the competition is at.. Which will hurt image of OSL which has been established as the top league since the BW days.
So you admit that KeSPA is trying to hurt GOM, yet you say that GOM/ESF are the ones being dicks for retaliating in kind?
And for the record, as far as SC2 is concerned, GOMTV is where the competition is at. If KeSPA wants a piece of the competition maybe they should just play nice and allow player participation in the GSL.
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