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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:25 Yorbon wrote: Because of this, i am slightly optimistic. On the other hand, as you say, blizzard doesn't want any of the parties to quit sc2. So they are in quite the dilemma. If Blizz does ban KeSPA, I would laugh for a week like FXOBoSS. | ||
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BgSBendeR
Canada170 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:28 achan1058 wrote: If Blizz does ban KeSPA, I would laugh for a week like FXOBoSS. If they do ban KeSPA, Blizzard will also screwed for future sales(Heart of the swarm) in Korea. OnGameNet will also most likely drop SC2 completely and focus only on League of Legends which is not what Blizzard wants. Viewer count for OGN on TV is far far greater GSL even with international viewers. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:33 BgSBendeR wrote: If they do ban KeSPA, Blizzard will also screwed for future sales(Heart of the swarm) in Korea. OnGameNet will also most likely drop SC2 completely and focus only on League of Legends which is not what Blizzard wants. Viewer count for OGN on TV is far far greater GSL even with international viewers. Of course Blizz is not stupid enough to do that, unless KeSPA is equally stupid. But still, I would laugh for a week since not only OGN is screwed, but the issue with ESF is still there even with LoL. | ||
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:23 Sandermatt wrote: Do you know where I can find a record of this ragequit? Sounds funny. Don't know how to link twitch to a specific time, it's around 1:14h in http://www.twitch.tv/saylesc/b/329973453 After the OSL Finals I think it's pretty obvious nobody is actively practicing BW anymore, Fantasy thanked his teammates for practicing with him even though nobody practiced BW anymore and the matches speak for themselves. Cheese and rookie mistakes from even the best players. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:38 Shurayuki wrote: Don't know how to link twitch to a specific time, it's around 1:14h in http://www.twitch.tv/saylesc/b/329973453 After the OSL Finals I think it's pretty obvious nobody is actively practicing BW anymore, Fantasy thanked his teammates for practicing with him even though nobody practiced BW anymore and the matches speak for themselves. Cheese and rookie mistakes from even the best players. 1:15 in almost exactly. "Awww, whatever." GANGNAM STYLE | ||
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naastyOne
491 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/035/047/grammar-nazi.jpg) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 27 2012 03:47 bo1b wrote: The one problem I have with that is that both leagues stand to profit if the other exists. So long as the times aren't overlapping in schedule then there is very little reason to watch one over the other when both has the same pool of players available. Thank you for clarifying and agreeing with the pro-ESF camp. Here's the score: KeSPA and GOM made an informal agreement to allow players from both leagues to compete (They allowed cross competition after the announcement of the esports vision agreement between GOM, KeSPA, Blizzard, and OGN). GOM invited KeSPA to send players for GSL 3. KeSPA said they were not ready. This was fine. They each have their own separate pool of players. KeSPA sends players to WCS, with very good results. This was also fine. Both sides get to play in a Blizzard event. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. Players from the ESF qualify for auction OS2L (because they wanted to). This sounds like the beginning of an awesome rivalry: Who is going to prevail, the old BW stars or the current SC2 champions!?? Will the ESF players (and Oz and MC) be able to take home an OSL victory or will they be smashed by elephants?!? Will the KeSPA players be able to qualify and even take home the GSL4 trophy?!?! And then KeSPA says "Hey guys we're not going to ALLOW our players to play in GSL 4 because of scheduling issues. I know you were hoping for this mutually beneficial agreement where we could show our players off to your international fans, and players from your tournament could get some face time on OGN, but no, we'll just BAN our players from playing in your tournament. All of them. Thanks for letting us use your players though, we're just glad they didn't have any scheduling issues since you're dumb enough to let them choose which tournaments they play in." So. KeSPA has the promise of a new audience, and GOM gets jack shit in return. This is where the problem is. This is not a mutually beneficial relationship. KeSPA gets what they want, and GOM gets nothing in return. KeSPA fired the first shot by banning their players from competing in GSL. ESF sees this as a repeat of history, and fires back (with the support of the non-ESF players MC and Oz.) | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:54 ElephantBaby wrote: So this OSL is done, right? What about those GSL players who want to attend OSL, I bet there are some. Do they get the "freedom" to do so? The players have been consulted when they made this decision. Check who made the announcement. It's Nestea, a player on ESF. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:54 ElephantBaby wrote: So this OSL is done, right? What about those GSL players who want to attend OSL, I bet there are some. Do they get the "freedom" to do so? Yes they do have this freedom. It actually is the players who rejected, not GOM: eSF is a player union. MC's team is not even part of the eSF and MC just sides with the eSF and doesn't attend the OSL either. The OSL is not done yet, only if KEspa keeps up their GSL4 ban. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:54 achan1058 wrote: The players have been consulted when they made this decision. I bet KeSPA also "consulted", whatever that means. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:55 ElephantBaby wrote: I bet KeSPA also "consulted", whatever that means. I don't think you understand the difference between the two organizations. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:47 Jormundr wrote: Hm, i can't remember reading about mc and oz as players agreeing. Do you have a source? Or did i just not read properly?Thank you for clarifying and agreeing with the pro-ESF camp. Here's the score: KeSPA and GOM made an informal agreement to allow players from both leagues to compete (They allowed cross competition after the announcement of the esports vision agreement between GOM, KeSPA, Blizzard, and OGN). GOM invited KeSPA to send players for GSL 3. KeSPA said they were not ready. This was fine. They each have their own separate pool of players. KeSPA sends players to WCS, with very good results. This was also fine. Both sides get to play in a Blizzard event. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. Players from the ESF qualify for auction OS2L (because they wanted to). This sounds like the beginning of an awesome rivalry: Who is going to prevail, the old BW stars or the current SC2 champions!?? Will the ESF players (and Oz and MC) be able to take home an OSL victory or will they be smashed by elephants?!? Will the KeSPA players be able to qualify and even take home the GSL4 trophy?!?! And then KeSPA says "Hey guys we're not going to ALLOW our players to play in GSL 4 because of scheduling issues. I know you were hoping for this mutually beneficial agreement where we could show our players off to your international fans, and players from your tournament could get some face time on OGN, but no, we'll just BAN our players from playing in your tournament. All of them. Thanks for letting us use your players though, we're just glad they didn't have any scheduling issues since you're dumb enough to let them choose which tournaments they play in." So. KeSPA has the promise of a new audience, and GOM gets jack shit in return. This is where the problem is. This is not a mutually beneficial relationship. KeSPA gets what they want, and GOM gets nothing in return. KeSPA fired the first shot by banning their players from competing in GSL. ESF sees this as a repeat of history, and fires back (with the support of the non-ESF players MC and Oz.) | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:55 ElephantBaby wrote: I bet KeSPA also "consulted", whatever that means. KeSPA is the sponsors, eSF it the players. KeSPA can take licenses away. eSF has no power over it's members. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:55 ElephantBaby wrote: I bet KeSPA also "consulted", whatever that means. Except neither GOM nor ESF can hold players/teams like KeSPA does. Otherwise, ESF v0.1 would not have fallen apart. All I got to say is: Thanks, KeSPA. You mean the dream of a real players union a reality. Such a union would not have existed without you. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:57 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I don't think you understand the difference between the two organizations. So ESF made the decision to help GOM, isn't it? Certainly not helping Players, because they can certainly get more media coverage from attending OSL rather than withdrewal. How is that different from what KeSPA's doing? At least KeSPA give them up front notice, what ESF is doing is throwing away my 2 years college credits, and says college degree means nothing, you better stay home to help family business. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote: You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\ As far as I understand it Oz takes part. He is a GSL player, but on a non eSF team like MC (who rejects to take part). | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote: You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\ MC or Oz certainly could have. It doesn't even matter actually, you can compete in Gom leagues even if you're not part of eSF. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On August 27 2012 05:02 Salazarz wrote: You're either really naive or really stupid if you think any given players could decide to go against eSF / GomTV deciding something like that move. :\ Exactly, GSL players are puppy too in this case. | ||
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