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On August 25 2012 23:47 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Even if you don't side with ESF... how can anyone defend every singe one of Kespa's past actions? Do you seriously think Kespa has never done wrong?
You have to look at the business standpoint to understand what KeSPA's actual intentions are. Try putting yourself in their shoes. Look at their previous history and then it becomes a little clearer.
Not agreeing with it but I do understand it.
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On August 25 2012 23:37 Tsubbi wrote:
how blind/brainwashed do you have to be to side with kespa on this matter!?
funnily enough esf also represents the interests of the kespa players atm
Are Kespa players allowed to join esf? (By allowed I mean can do it without losing their licenses)
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On August 25 2012 23:47 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Even if you don't side with ESF... how can anyone defend every singe one of Kespa's past actions? Do you seriously think Kespa has never done wrong?
Who's saying they have not? I'll still side with people who tried to keep BW alive rather than those who helped blizzard kill it in order to profit from that.
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I honestly would like to know what the KeSPA players think about this. Do they blame eSF or KeSPA?
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TL summary:
This is a response by the eSports Federation(hereafter ESF) to KeSPA's recent decision to join GSL5.
To put it short:
1. ESF is saying they thank and welcome KeSPA's quick response and their deicision to join GSL5.
2. But their decision on not playing their players in the OSL until KeSPA decides to join the GSL still stands.
3. The reason is that KeSPA has still not changed their stance on allowing their players in the GSL in a continuous fashion. (KeSPA is saying they'll join GSL5, nothing on GSLs afterwards nor the imminent GSL4).
4. ESF has made a request to Gomtv to extend the deadline for GSL4 qualifiers applications, which was set to end on the 27th of August.
Thats the important bit right there. Let us all wait and see what KeSPA says alright? Awesome.
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On August 25 2012 23:46 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 23:29 Blueblister wrote:
Kespa used their player monopoly to force league organizers into submission. This was how MBC Teamleague was shut down. Kespa further used their player monopoly to claim control over Proleague broadcasting licenses, a league they weren't around to create. Ever wondered why you never see Korean BW pros participate in online cups? Kespa is the answer. Why would Kespa lower the value of their players by participating in those online cups? Right now we have similar situation. OS2L and Gom Code S are fighting for the title of the most prestigious. The one that is seen as the best will have a big leverage over their competition. There are no good or bad guys here. Just two companies (Greteh, OGN) fighting for a bigger piece of the pie to further their profits. There is virtually zero chance that gom didn't unofficially ask player federation to withdraw from OSL since with Kespa refusal to participate in GSL Season 4 shifted a weight more into OSL direction.
We don't give a fuck about KeSPA's profits, we care about spreading esports. Meanwhile most of KeSPAs history has been a giant middle finger to everyone. GOM has shown respect for their players and a willingness to set aside their own profits to spread esports, reschedule etc. KeSPA has mot.
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On August 25 2012 23:46 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 23:29 Blueblister wrote:
Kespa used their player monopoly to force league organizers into submission. This was how MBC Teamleague was shut down. Kespa further used their player monopoly to claim control over Proleague broadcasting licenses, a league they weren't around to create. Ever wondered why you never see Korean BW pros participate in online cups? Kespa is the answer. Why would Kespa lower the value of their players by participating in those online cups? Right now we have similar situation. OS2L and Gom Code S are fighting for the title of the most prestigious. The one that is seen as the best will have a big leverage over their competition. There are no good or bad guys here. Just two companies (Greteh, OGN) fighting for a bigger piece of the pie to further their profits. There is virtually zero chance that gom didn't unofficially ask player federation to withdraw from OSL since with Kespa refusal to participate in GSL Season 4 shifted a weight more into OSL direction.
GOM already has a massive piece of the pie, but they don't represent the players/teams interests, the ESF does.
ESF is independent of GOM, GOM really doesn't have any control over them, as ESF are the 'eSports Federation' of the teams that own the players, therefore they have leverage over both GOM and OGN, KeSPA are like the ESF except they are a lot more controlling of their players.
It is true that GOM benefits from this decision, but they really don't have any say in it, it's the teams and the players who are making the decision.
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On August 25 2012 23:56 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Just something to add " Due to scheduling conflicts, the eight invited KeSPA players will be replaced in Group Play by the next highest qualifiers from the Summer Season (based on Arena and Invite Qualifier results)." I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of talk about this.
Ya, regardless of whether MLG knew about it a long time before like some people said, Sundance must be thinking "What was I thinking!?" right now.
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On August 26 2012 00:05 KapsyL wrote:
I honestly would like to know what the KeSPA players think about this. Do they blame eSF or KeSPA?
Can they critizize Kespa publically? sn't Kespa their employer?
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I'll side with esf for the entire thing! They did so much for sc2 in Korea and outside Korea! Happy they fight against kespa who just wants to step in and rule the sc2 scene. Fuck them
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On August 26 2012 00:08 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 23:56 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Just something to add " Due to scheduling conflicts, the eight invited KeSPA players will be replaced in Group Play by the next highest qualifiers from the Summer Season (based on Arena and Invite Qualifier results)." I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of talk about this. Ya, regardless of whether MLG knew about it a long time before like some people said, Sundance must be thinking "What was I thinking!?" right now.
Yeah especially since KeSPA signed a deal with them.
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On August 26 2012 00:10 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 00:05 KapsyL wrote:
I honestly would like to know what the KeSPA players think about this. Do they blame eSF or KeSPA? Can they critizize Kespa publically? sn't Kespa their employer?
I don't know but I hope they can. I am almost willing to bet KeSPA will sort this out within a day or two though..
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ESF is running the risk of looking worse than KESPA on this issue... kespa isn't the best actor in the pro SC scene but they have given the appearance of relenting and now ESF risks looking like the bad guy by potentially holding the very first SC2 OSL hostage..
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On August 26 2012 00:04 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 23:47 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Even if you don't side with ESF... how can anyone defend every singe one of Kespa's past actions? Do you seriously think Kespa has never done wrong? Who's saying they have not? I'll still side with people who tried to keep BW alive rather than those who helped blizzard kill it in order to profit from that.
You have to look at the business standpoint to understand what Blizzard's actual intentions are. Try putting yourself in their shoes. Look at their previous history and then it becomes a little clearer.
Not agreeing with it but I do understand it.
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On August 26 2012 00:10 Mithriel wrote:
I'll side with esf for the entire thing! They did so much for sc2 in Korea and outside Korea! Happy they fight against kespa who just wants to step in and rule the sc2 scene. Fuck them
yeah fuck them. fuck the association that is the reason why we even have korean esports.
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On August 25 2012 23:36 rebdomine wrote:
Are people seriously siding on ESF with this?
KesPA might've been jerks by deciding to disallow their players from trying for GSL, but to me ESF look like the bigger assholes by ruiining a tournament that is already going on.
KeSPA is trying to screw GSL after ESF joined OSL. This is on KeSPA.
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On August 25 2012 23:56 SevenShots wrote:
Yes I do.
What other resonable response does ESF have?
Who guarantees that in Season 5 KESPA does not decide again, that there are scheduling conflicts and
they can't allow their players to participate?
And why is it bad for ESF. As far as we know ESF players have low or no salary and most of their income is from the winnings. Therefore Kespa players playing in GSL is lowering there chances in making money. GOM players should pray that there wont be a day coming when KESPA players would take top 16 slots in GSL code S
On August 25 2012 23:56 SevenShots wrote:
It's a fucking joke to assume that ESF participates in the KESPA tournament - making the
tournament more interesting without any return of the favor - but a ridiculous statement about a single
upcoming season. The credibility of KESPA has not improved by removing their players from Season 4
qualifiers...
Partially i agree with that statement. ESF participation in Kespa tourament is a big favor to OGN and its OSL, but you forget that the teams are getting something from it. Exposure of their sponsors on nation-wide korean TV - not only on some internet streaming platform or some local tv station.
Fun fact both Kespa and ESF don't have much of credibility in my eyes.
ESF managed to screw up two tournaments in a year by withdrawing their players during the tournament (NASL Season 2 and now first OS2L).
On August 26 2012 00:08 iKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2012 23:46 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 23:29 Blueblister wrote:
Kespa used their player monopoly to force league organizers into submission. This was how MBC Teamleague was shut down. Kespa further used their player monopoly to claim control over Proleague broadcasting licenses, a league they weren't around to create. Ever wondered why you never see Korean BW pros participate in online cups? Kespa is the answer. Why would Kespa lower the value of their players by participating in those online cups? Right now we have similar situation. OS2L and Gom Code S are fighting for the title of the most prestigious. The one that is seen as the best will have a big leverage over their competition. There are no good or bad guys here. Just two companies (Greteh, OGN) fighting for a bigger piece of the pie to further their profits. There is virtually zero chance that gom didn't unofficially ask player federation to withdraw from OSL since with Kespa refusal to participate in GSL Season 4 shifted a weight more into OSL direction. We don't give a fuck about KeSPA's profits, we care about spreading esports. Meanwhile most of KeSPAs history has been a giant middle finger to everyone. GOM has shown respect for their players and a willingness to set aside their own profits to spread esports, reschedule etc. KeSPA has mot.
Ok all companies that invest in esports in hopes of current of future profits withdraw. Imagine spreading esports then.
Also holding a tournament hostage is like the further you can get away from spreading esports. Such action lead to the turn back of current and potential sponsors.
Yellow BW scandal lead to some sponsors think twice before getting into sponsoring SC in korea.
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On August 26 2012 00:15 amazingoopah wrote:
ESF is running the risk of looking worse than KESPA on this issue... kespa isn't the best actor in the pro SC scene but they have given the appearance of relenting and now ESF risks looking like the bad guy by potentially holding the very first SC2 OSL hostage..
Kespa just needs to say that their players can join GSL4. In this case all leagues can run uninterrupted. ESF is the only one to propose a solution that is best for the fans and players.
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On August 26 2012 00:16 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 00:10 Mithriel wrote:
I'll side with esf for the entire thing! They did so much for sc2 in Korea and outside Korea! Happy they fight against kespa who just wants to step in and rule the sc2 scene. Fuck them yeah fuck them. fuck the association that is the reason why we even have korean esports.
So what?
That doesn't mean they should be able to waltz in and dictate everything in the scene. Hell they shouldn't even be dictating what their players can play in.
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