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[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 19
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
funnily enough esf also represents the interests of the kespa players atm | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:36 rebdomine wrote: Are people seriously siding on ESF with this? KesPA might've been jerks by deciding to disallow their players from trying for GSL, but to me ESF look like the bigger assholes by ruiining a tournament that is already going on. Doing something mid-season in a professional sport is unheard of but the message they're trying to send to KeSPA is strong. There is no better timing than to put your foot down on it now and they have to do it. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:29 Xiphos wrote: Dude its before the qualifiers and therefore not like "Oh shit where are those kespa guys?" "Hello? Yeah we are not going to be able to make it...." "FUUU" Ho yeah he talked about GSL prelim alright. But still, the timing is suspect (and very late). ESF move is a strong one and a way bigger deal than what kespa did, but I'll still support it, just because I like these players and I like what GOM has done the past 2 years. Also, everyone assumed kespa would play in GSL 4. They could have played in GSL3 but didn't for good reasons (not ready for sc2) and said "we'll play GSL4 !" and now a week before code A "We'll play GSL5 !" while OGN will benefit from ESF players. If kespa do that, OGN will have a fantastic sc2 season while GSL4 will look pale, even if it's not, it'll look that way, and kespa knows this. "ESPORTS conference", cooperation, my ass yes. I understand Blizzard more and more in their way to deal with kespa. Seems force is the only thing they understand. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
And so the chess match continues | ||
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Squirrel
United States1102 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:34 StarStruck wrote: They most certainly don't call all the shots but to say they still don't have power? I don't know about that man. They might not have the same influence, but they do have the backing of mega corporations who have a lot of money and the Korean government is behind them as well. This idea of crippling? Nah, like I said this is political and all that's happening is they're jockeying for position and there is no real end to it. They have a lot of backing in Korea. Yes, they have power. But in SC2, which is primarily outside of Korea, their power isn't near what it was in comparison to BW. Maybe cripple wasn't the best word, but without GOM and ESF, they won't have near the reach they would like. They would ONLY have Kespa players. Honestly, I think Kespa needs ESF and GOM more than GOM and ESF need them. Far more. SC2 is doing fine, and thriving, without Kespa... If they all worked together it'd be wonderful, honestly. It'd help SC2 more than anything. But Kespa needs to realize they're not the almighty power they once were. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:12 Belisarius wrote: That's a shame. I agreed with their position originally, but this seems like a little too much. They got an immediate response out of KeSPA and got a commitment to the next GSL. That was a win, and quite a big one. Personally, I think it should have ended there. GSL 6+ are quite some time away. I wouldn't even expect KeSPA to commit their players that far ahead. Strongly agree with this. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:37 Tsubbi wrote: how blind/brainwashed do you have to be to side with kespa on this matter!? funnily enough esf also represents the interests of the kespa players atm why does anyone need to take sides? | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
and they request KeSPA to join GSL4 whaaaaat | ||
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Squirrel
United States1102 Posts
Kespa said they would be in this GSL, they basically gave the same answer during GSL3 that they have said now. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:39 Seam wrote: They have a lot of backing in Korea. Yes, they have power. But in SC2, which is primarily outside of Korea, their power isn't near what it was in comparison to BW. Maybe cripple wasn't the best word, but without GOM and ESF, they won't have near the reach they would like. They would ONLY have Kespa players. Honestly, I think Kespa needs ESF and GOM more than GOM and ESF need them. Far more. SC2 is doing fine, and thriving, without Kespa... There biggest concern is the Korean market. The only real big shot outside of Korean with them is Samsung and one exporter company but even then those guys wouldn't give two shits. The global market is nickels and dimes to them. What they really want to do is to tap into the untapped Korean market and bring a few foreigners along for the ride as well. | ||
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:30 Xiphos wrote: You do realize that all recent PPP incidents are corrected in ways that if one press P or any number of it, they are granted the pause. The organization is evolving. You missed my point, I only referred to the minor ppp incident in my first sentence. Free speech and will is far more important than some trivial in-game chat concerns. Read again and stop nitpicking about non-essential issues. And no, Kespa's stance hasn't changed one bit in any of the important matters. | ||
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Derrida
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:29 Blueblister wrote: Kespa used their player monopoly to force league organizers into submission. This was how MBC Teamleague was shut down. Kespa further used their player monopoly to claim control over Proleague broadcasting licenses, a league they weren't around to create. Ever wondered why you never see Korean BW pros participate in online cups? Kespa is the answer. Why would Kespa lower the value of their players by participating in those online cups? Right now we have similar situation. OS2L and Gom Code S are fighting for the title of the most prestigious. The one that is seen as the best will have a big leverage over their competition. There are no good or bad guys here. Just two companies (Greteh, OGN) fighting for a bigger piece of the pie to further their profits. There is virtually zero chance that gom didn't unofficially ask player federation to withdraw from OSL since with Kespa refusal to participate in GSL Season 4 shifted a weight more into OSL direction. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
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SevenShots
Germany84 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:36 rebdomine wrote: Are people seriously siding on ESF with this? KesPA might've been jerks by deciding to disallow their players from trying for GSL, but to me ESF look like the bigger assholes by ruiining a tournament that is already going on. Yes I do. What other resonable response does ESF have? Who guarantees that in Season 5 KESPA does not decide again, that there are scheduling conflicts and they can't allow their players to participate? It's a fucking joke to assume that ESF participates in the KESPA tournament - making the tournament more interesting without any return of the favor - but a ridiculous statement about a single upcoming season. The credibility of KESPA has not improved by removing their players from Season 4 qualifiers... | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 25 2012 23:56 NovemberstOrm wrote: Just something to add " Due to scheduling conflicts, the eight invited KeSPA players will be replaced in Group Play by the next highest qualifiers from the Summer Season (based on Arena and Invite Qualifier results)." I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of talk about this. Why would we talk about MLG? | ||
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