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KeSPA Agrees to Participate in GSL Season 5 - Page 9

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InVerno
Profile Joined May 2011
258 Posts
August 24 2012 14:37 GMT
#161
Btw i agree with FXOBoss when he say all this is childish. It is. KESPA now got the upperhand only because the ESF statement says "current OSL" and so its all they have in the trade, when KESPA can play his childish game with season 4 and 5. Smartass huh?
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
August 24 2012 14:37 GMT
#162
Dayum Jimmy.

Gogo eSF !

Idk what to do about OSL, we'lll see what they do and judge from there
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 14:38:22
August 24 2012 14:38 GMT
#163
On August 24 2012 22:51 Str1keFreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:49 Talin wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:48 Str1keFreedom wrote:
GSL players have far more difficult schedules due to foreign tournaments. It is all play on words. Nothing is changed until kespa signs a contract that allow their players to join tournaments freely. Don't think it is over people!!!


That is never going to happen and is an absurd thing to demand.



What is so absurd to allow players to choose the tournaments they wish to join as long as it does not interfere with their own events? What is so absurd about giving no name Kespa players chance at another tournament qualification?

It's absurd because sponsors wanna see a controlled environment.
Freedom of movement is what the ESF players/teams have and look at the shit sponsors most of them have?
Remember Zenex coach posting on TL saying his team was "open to sponsorship?"

We we need is a middle ground so sponsors can feel confident where they put their money and players don't work in a gulag.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 14:39:49
August 24 2012 14:38 GMT
#164
I've figured it out. I don't think KESPA actually understands what the problem is. That has to be it. Because this "concession" didn't actually solve anything. The original grievance of ESF isn't satisfied, but I'm sure KESPA actually think it is. I'm going to go beat my head against my desk. Maybe that'll help me understand.
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 24 2012 14:40 GMT
#165
Yet another episode in the soap opera that is esports and SC2.
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 24 2012 14:40 GMT
#166
On August 24 2012 23:38 Mauldo wrote:
I've figured it out. I don't think KESPA actually understands what the problem is. That has to be it. Because this "concession" didn't actually solve anything. The original grievance of ESF isn't satisfied, but I'm sure KESPA actually think it is. I'm going to go beat my head against my desk. Maybe that'll help me understand.

if esf participates in osl i would be doing the same
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
August 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#167
On August 24 2012 23:40 Iberville wrote:
Yet another episode in the soap opera that is esports and SC2.


Yep and maybe the best one so far, although season 2 episode 3 where korea boycotted NASL was quite good too.
Only thing i hate about it is the huge cliffhanger.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 24 2012 14:50 GMT
#168
Imagine, Kespa didn't publish any statement about not participating in GSL 4, but because of schedule conflicts, team obligations and PL, only few, not top-notch Kespa players took part in the GSL. It would have been still fine! Even though, technically, that shows disrespect to the GSL, it would not have caused all this trouble. We would have gotten a few elephant matches to discuss, Kespa teams would've managed with PL fine etc. Why did they have to create such a major statement and totalitarian position of it.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
August 24 2012 14:54 GMT
#169
Need to get Blizzard as middleman to get both of them to sign a contract. If Kespa pulls out again, instant ban on Bnet so that they cannot even run their own tournaments
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
August 24 2012 14:54 GMT
#170
In that case I think its fair for the ESF to say that they will participate in the next OSL.
Timerly
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany511 Posts
August 24 2012 14:55 GMT
#171
Nah, not gonna change anything. If I understand everything correctly then ESF and KeSPA had originally agreed to allow participation in both leagues. Then, once ESF players are commited to the OSL (Ro16) KeSPA pulls out of GSL. This is a move to damage ESF, the GSL and ultimately GOM. They are far closer to OGN and history teaches us what happens when they get what they want. The only reasonable thing to do for the ESF is to not back down because KeSPA made just another promise they might not keep. The reasons they state are ridiculous, scheduling has never been an issue. The ESF has to keep boycotting the OSL until they get some written contract into their hands which states that KeSPA players can participate in GSL as of right now.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 24 2012 14:56 GMT
#172
On August 24 2012 23:54 setmeal wrote:
Need to get Blizzard as middleman to get both of them to sign a contract. If Kespa pulls out again, instant ban on Bnet so that they cannot even run their own tournaments


Blizzard can never be middleman when KeSPA is one of the sides.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
August 24 2012 14:58 GMT
#173
On August 24 2012 23:54 setmeal wrote:
Need to get Blizzard as middleman to get both of them to sign a contract. If Kespa pulls out again, instant ban on Bnet so that they cannot even run their own tournaments


Blizzard kind of needs KeSPA in order to become popular in Korea
Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
August 24 2012 14:58 GMT
#174
On August 24 2012 23:38 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:51 Str1keFreedom wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:49 Talin wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:48 Str1keFreedom wrote:
GSL players have far more difficult schedules due to foreign tournaments. It is all play on words. Nothing is changed until kespa signs a contract that allow their players to join tournaments freely. Don't think it is over people!!!


That is never going to happen and is an absurd thing to demand.



What is so absurd to allow players to choose the tournaments they wish to join as long as it does not interfere with their own events? What is so absurd about giving no name Kespa players chance at another tournament qualification?

It's absurd because sponsors wanna see a controlled environment.
Freedom of movement is what the ESF players/teams have and look at the shit sponsors most of them have?
Remember Zenex coach posting on TL saying his team was "open to sponsorship?"

We we need is a middle ground so sponsors can feel confident where they put their money and players don't work in a gulag.


that was when the scene was pretty weak and the sponsors in korea really didn't know the direction in which sc2 was going and they didnt want to invest in kespa(look at team8 still team8)

last few months esF teams have gotten way more major deals, LG, redbull etc.
starojda
Profile Joined May 2011
Czech Republic246 Posts
August 24 2012 15:00 GMT
#175
As I said before... This GSL 4 is not the last one.. Of course I meant it more siplified, but the outcome is the same . One can be surprised, how e-sports relates to politics with its drama, background motives and great load of cash.
ʘ
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 24 2012 15:00 GMT
#176
On August 24 2012 23:58 Fleuria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 23:38 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:51 Str1keFreedom wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:49 Talin wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:48 Str1keFreedom wrote:
GSL players have far more difficult schedules due to foreign tournaments. It is all play on words. Nothing is changed until kespa signs a contract that allow their players to join tournaments freely. Don't think it is over people!!!


That is never going to happen and is an absurd thing to demand.



What is so absurd to allow players to choose the tournaments they wish to join as long as it does not interfere with their own events? What is so absurd about giving no name Kespa players chance at another tournament qualification?

It's absurd because sponsors wanna see a controlled environment.
Freedom of movement is what the ESF players/teams have and look at the shit sponsors most of them have?
Remember Zenex coach posting on TL saying his team was "open to sponsorship?"

We we need is a middle ground so sponsors can feel confident where they put their money and players don't work in a gulag.


that was when the scene was pretty weak and the sponsors in korea really didn't know the direction in which sc2 was going and they didnt want to invest in kespa(look at team8 still team8)

last few months esF teams have gotten way more major deals, LG, redbull etc.

How about oGs disbanding?
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
August 24 2012 15:06 GMT
#177
GSL S5 but how many and whom? What about GSL S6? I feel like this fighting may continue for a long time.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
August 24 2012 15:11 GMT
#178
On August 25 2012 00:00 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 23:58 Fleuria wrote:
On August 24 2012 23:38 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:51 Str1keFreedom wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:49 Talin wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:48 Str1keFreedom wrote:
GSL players have far more difficult schedules due to foreign tournaments. It is all play on words. Nothing is changed until kespa signs a contract that allow their players to join tournaments freely. Don't think it is over people!!!


That is never going to happen and is an absurd thing to demand.



What is so absurd to allow players to choose the tournaments they wish to join as long as it does not interfere with their own events? What is so absurd about giving no name Kespa players chance at another tournament qualification?

It's absurd because sponsors wanna see a controlled environment.
Freedom of movement is what the ESF players/teams have and look at the shit sponsors most of them have?
Remember Zenex coach posting on TL saying his team was "open to sponsorship?"

We we need is a middle ground so sponsors can feel confident where they put their money and players don't work in a gulag.


that was when the scene was pretty weak and the sponsors in korea really didn't know the direction in which sc2 was going and they didnt want to invest in kespa(look at team8 still team8)

last few months esF teams have gotten way more major deals, LG, redbull etc.

How about oGs disbanding?

oGs only had a local food store to support them. ZeNEX had none. NSHoseo seems to be in trouble too. TSL has minor company sponsors, as well as SlayerS and MVP. IM has LG AND Coca Cola supporting them, while Startale has Redbull. Fnatic, Complexity, EG and FXO have foreigner money, so they're in no trouble.

If you take the fact that sponsors seem to flutter to teams with more star players like they should, then the amount of sponsors showing up to each individual team makes sense. For eSF teams, the onus is on the players themselves to make sure that their teams obtain better sponsorship deals. They need to promote their teams more and show better results, like IM and Startale are doing.
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Ghrimnar
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany260 Posts
August 24 2012 15:17 GMT
#179
On August 24 2012 22:15 X3GoldDot wrote:
ESF should say that they wont participate in this osl and only in the next osl as well lol



Exactly. I'm not biased in any form i just want to see good games. But Kespa trying to grab the whole scene for their own is just terrible for the community.
oGsMC // NSHS_Sage // IMMvp // IMNesTea
Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
August 24 2012 15:22 GMT
#180
Wasn't the plan for Kespa players to join in Season 5 anyways?

Please eSports Federation, make them play in Season 4. The preliminaries take up 3 days at the most.
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