KeSPA Agrees to Participate in GSL Season 5 - Page 10

Shadow_Dog

Canada427 Posts

August 24 2012 15:25 GMT

#181

eSF should demand that the 4 teams that are not in the playoffs should go to Code A qualifiers. If not, they continue to stay out of OSL.

rasers

Sweden691 Posts

August 24 2012 15:30 GMT

#182

wtf is wrong with you guys now? "plz ESF. make them do that and that. oh and that" srsly guys?

Nuclease

United States1049 Posts

August 24 2012 15:32 GMT

#183

Hopefully this means that the GOM players can step back into OGN safely. But it might be too late.

Moreover, I'm not sure that I would have complete confidence in KeSPA at this point. Would still very possibly feel obligated to not participate in the first OS2L.

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

August 24 2012 15:33 GMT

#184

On August 25 2012 00:25 Shadow_Dog wrote:
eSF should demand that the 4 teams that are not in the playoffs should go to Code A qualifiers. If not, they continue to stay out of OSL.

Nah, that would be forcing the players to play and equally unreasonable. They should demand to allow anybody who is interested to participate in the qualifiers.

Though the if the teams have a concer about the participating players underperforming in other tournaments, how about allowing each Kespa player the participation in one individual tournament of his choice (i.e. he could try out for A, if that fails he could try out for B and if that works he will not be allowed to try out for the rest). That way each player has enough time to fulfill his obligations towards the team without being denied the opportunity for his breakthrough individual performance.

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On August 25 2012 00:32 Nuclease wrote:
Hopefully this means that the GOM players can step back into OGN safely. But it might be too late.

Moreover, I'm not sure that I would have complete confidence in KeSPA at this point. Would still very possibly feel obligated to not participate in the first OS2L.

The players under ESF claimed that they will participate in Kespa sanctioned leagues as soon as Kespa drops its blockade of the GSL, which they haven't done yet (Kespa players are not allowed to sign up for the upcoming qualifiers). They will drop it after the upcoming season is finished (or as the upcoming season is already underway), but either way it will be too late for the OSL.

FairForever

Canada2392 Posts

August 24 2012 15:33 GMT

#185

On August 24 2012 23:28 Talin wrote:

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On August 24 2012 23:00 Talin wrote:

On August 24 2012 22:55 Str1keFreedom wrote:

On August 24 2012 22:53 Talin wrote:

On August 24 2012 22:51 Str1keFreedom wrote:

On August 24 2012 22:49 Talin wrote:

On August 24 2012 22:48 Str1keFreedom wrote:
GSL players have far more difficult schedules due to foreign tournaments. It is all play on words. Nothing is changed until kespa signs a contract that allow their players to join tournaments freely. Don't think it is over people!!!

That is never going to happen and is an absurd thing to demand.

Why is so absurd to allow players to choose the tournaments they wish to join as long as it does not interfere with their own events? What is so absurd about giving no name Kespa players chance at another tournament qualification?

It's absurd because teams don't work that way and players don't get to do whatever they want.

It's what makes the teams good, and it's what makes their players good. If you want to force them to function like western/GOM teams instead of functioning like genuine progaming teams, you don't even need Kespa teams in the first place.

You are not forcing anyone to play their games in Gom. You are giving them the rights to join if their time allows them to do so. Kespa players publicly spoke about joining GSL and they wished to compete in it. It is not Gom forcing anything to players. Open your eyes. It is Kespa who is "forcing" players against their will.

As if GOM won't throw a fit and start up another drama rampage if only the B teamers "decide" to compete in GSL. They're going to bitch until they see Flash, JD and Bisu in it whether they want to or not.

What gives you the right to dictate how companies use their employees anyway? Kespa players are used to the ways the teams work, they signed the appropriate contracts, and if they're having such a terrible time, they can always leave the moment their contracts expire. Hell, they could have left and transitioned to SC2 AGES ago.

It's mind boggling how people don't get that GOM/ESF is the one doing the blackmailing here.

Even Koreans don't see it that way? You really think ESF is doing the blackmailing? They're responding to their threat to self-preservation, KeSPA is trying to kill off GOM again.

What threat? Their players playing in OSL for one season while Kespa doesn't play in GSL isn't going to kill anything, that's ridiculous. If they see that Kespa is intentionally boycotting GSL, they can not participate in the next OSL if it bothers them. But pulling out of a tournament they already joined and clearly intended to play is a dick move.

On August 24 2012 23:08 FairForever wrote:
No one is saying KeSPA should force its teams to participate. But individuals like Roro have already stated they want to participate and weren't allowed to.

He can leave KHAN and participate in anything he wants.

If the players are so unhappy as you say, this will happen and Kespa teams will die out within a year because nobody will want to play there. Somehow I don't think that's going to happen, but we'll see.

No this will not, because they won't be paid then. And since they will be forced to avoid ESF teams (due to the contract they signed), they won't be able to do "what they want".

Wait, what contract? How would they be forced to avoid ESF teams? -_-

Once they leave they can do whatever they want. Like mvp, Supernova and ForGG did.

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If they were so paranoid, they shouldn't have joined OSL in the first place (or at least until Kespa players started playing GSL) and everything would be fine.

But this nonsense about "player freedom" and trying to dictate how someone else's teams should be run internally and claiming the moral high ground is bullshit.

So because you're saying KeSPA lied to the ESF and GOM about playing in Season 4, ESF should still keep their conditional commitment to KeSPA to play in the OSL?

1) ESF players are not FORCED to play. They can choose to withdraw at any time.
2) They played on the assumption that KeSPA players would participate in the GSL. Seeing as how KeSPA breached this initially, choosing to hold out of the OSL is not an unreasonable decision.

Since you're so big on "player freedom", ESF players should have the freedom to back out of the OSL.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

August 24 2012 15:36 GMT

#186

hope esf won't fall for this. On the other hand the pull out move was probably never planned to go through. Such funny back and forth, doubtful that we will see a kespa player in the qualifiers.

kochujang

Germany1226 Posts

August 24 2012 15:37 GMT

#187

No problem, the Kespa teams will not participate in GSL4 and I will not watch the OSL. There are so many SC2 tournaments around these days and I don't have much time to watch, so thank you Kespa for making it easier for me to choose

StarStruck

25339 Posts

August 24 2012 15:37 GMT

#188

On August 25 2012 00:00 Condor Hero wrote:

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How about oGs disbanding?

Plenty more to come.

odaxium

United States356 Posts

August 24 2012 15:37 GMT

#189

So this doesn't actually change anything.

Kespa are still not going to participate in GSL4 and they get ESF plays to continue OSL

stangstang

Canada281 Posts

August 24 2012 15:38 GMT

#190

kespa is afraid that if they give their players a choice, they might not choose them.

MiThiK

Canada13 Posts

August 24 2012 15:40 GMT

#191

kespa is like an overprotective parent. just let the players figure out what they can or cannot handle >.>

FairForever

Canada2392 Posts

August 24 2012 15:41 GMT

#192

On August 25 2012 00:37 odaxium wrote:
So this doesn't actually change anything.

Kespa are still not going to participate in GSL4 and they get ESF plays to continue OSL

Well ESF hasn't said that they will play in OSL. So we'll see what happens.

vthree

Hong Kong8039 Posts

August 24 2012 15:43 GMT

#193

lol, Kespa got called when they tried to bluff!!!

Mrvoodoochild1

United States1439 Posts

August 24 2012 15:44 GMT

#194

What a cluster fuk this situation is.

Benjamin99

4176 Posts

August 24 2012 15:45 GMT

#195

I hope not. They should wait until they know KESPA is actually doing what they are promising.

MstrJinbo

United States1251 Posts

August 24 2012 15:45 GMT

#196

On August 25 2012 00:37 odaxium wrote:
So this doesn't actually change anything.

Kespa are still not going to participate in GSL4 and they get ESF plays to continue OSL

Kespa basically announced that it will participate in the GSL season 5. Kespa laid down a concrete time where they will participate in GSL. It's a victory for the esf. They should take it and return to the OSL. For the fans.

Deleted User 183001

2939 Posts

August 24 2012 15:46 GMT

#197

And there was much rejoicing!

*monotone yay*

But seriously this is awesome

. I may actually buy a GSL ticket for the first time lol so I can watch all of the games.

Dosey

United States4505 Posts

August 24 2012 15:47 GMT

#198

Hopefully ESF players still refuse to play in OSL until they actually see KeSPA players sitting at those GOM computers.

JiPrime

Canada688 Posts

August 24 2012 15:47 GMT

#199

This is "PP," not "GG" from KeSPA.
Nothing is changed from the current predicament.
If KeSPA really wanted to make amends, they would participate in THIS season, which is season 4, NOT 5.
KEEP YOUR PITCHFORKS UP, FOLKS!

Proseat

Germany5113 Posts

August 24 2012 15:47 GMT

#200

I hope they put it on paper. Otherwise KeSPA will just change their minds again later.

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