On August 25 2012 00:37 odaxium wrote: So this doesn't actually change anything.
Kespa are still not going to participate in GSL4 and they get ESF plays to continue OSL
Kespa basically announced that it will participate in the GSL season 5. Kespa laid down a concrete time where they will participate in GSL. It's a victory for the esf. They should take it and return to the OSL. For the fans.
If you knew anything about Kespa and its history, you would not be saying that... Kespa annoucing that it will participate in the GSL season 5 does not mean it has to. Kespa can and will break its "promise" to see GSL flop. It's not a victory for the esf. until Kespa participates in the current GSL season 4.
I want the sc2 OSL to go forward. So I'm perfectly fine with giveing Kespa the benefit of the doubt on this one while keeping my trident close at hand.
Of course everyone wants OSL to go forward, but it will be at the expense of GSL. And I assure you if Kespa gets what it wants, GSL will no longer exist.
Btw, keeping your "trident" close at hand is not gonna do shit since you have nothing to influence anything that will happen in E-sports in Korea.
On August 25 2012 00:37 odaxium wrote: So this doesn't actually change anything.
Kespa are still not going to participate in GSL4 and they get ESF plays to continue OSL
Kespa basically announced that it will participate in the GSL season 5. Kespa laid down a concrete time where they will participate in GSL. It's a victory for the esf. They should take it and return to the OSL. For the fans.
If you knew anything about Kespa and its history, you would not be saying that... Kespa annoucing that it will participate in the GSL season 5 does not mean it has to. Kespa can and will break its "promise" to see GSL flop. It's not a victory for the esf. until Kespa participates in the current GSL season 4.
I want the sc2 OSL to go forward. So I'm perfectly fine with giveing Kespa the benefit of the doubt on this one while keeping my trident close at hand.
No you shouldn't be fine. If Kespa is not fought with everything the community got. GSL and GOMTV will die. No Korean players will participate in international tournaments. 2 years of work to create one of the most global Esports is gone. ESF cant and should not cave. Kespa has to join GSL now or no deal and GOMTV and KESPA needs to make a contract to make sure it happens
On August 25 2012 00:37 odaxium wrote: So this doesn't actually change anything.
Kespa are still not going to participate in GSL4 and they get ESF plays to continue OSL
Kespa basically announced that it will participate in the GSL season 5. Kespa laid down a concrete time where they will participate in GSL. It's a victory for the esf. They should take it and return to the OSL. For the fans.
If you knew anything about Kespa and its history, you would not be saying that... Kespa annoucing that it will participate in the GSL season 5 does not mean it has to. Kespa can and will break its "promise" to see GSL flop. It's not a victory for the esf. until Kespa participates in the current GSL season 4.
I want the sc2 OSL to go forward. So I'm perfectly fine with giveing Kespa the benefit of the doubt on this one while keeping my trident close at hand.
Yeah I think this resolves the issue for now and allows for everyone to participate in OSL. They can boycott the next OSL if KeSPA indeed doesn't participate in GSL 5, but for now I think it would be very detrimental to the scene if they wouldn't play in the first SC2 OSL. They got a concrete date, I think that's all that's needed for now.
so its good for you for someone to release a statement that they will play... u must want to see gom crumble
Uh no, I'm saying that for now KeSPA announcing that they're playing in GSL 5 should suffice. If they don't play in GSL 5 then I'm fine with all hell breaking loose, because there actually are legitimate reasons for KeSPA players not to try to go play in GSL right now. But if it happens two times in a row, I think it's pretty clear that KeSPA doesn't want to allow its players to play in GSL. Right now it's not clear.
every true SC2 fan should show his support to GOMTV and ESF now. Appreciate what GOMTV has done for the global growth of SC2. They allways tried to improve the service for the international audience and players, worked closely with the community and reacted well to concerns and critics. KESPA wants to have complete control. We can not allow this to happen. I for myself will go on to support GOMTV by buying their product, with or without KESPA players. And everyone who is interested in korean SC2 should do the same!
On August 25 2012 00:56 Ketroc wrote: So OSL finishes before GSL season 5, right? Good thing Kespa has a reputation of never breaking a promise.
No. GSL Qualifiers should be around the same time as OSL is ending.
By that time there should be like 4 players left in the OSL (and probably all from GOM), so there really isn't an excuse not to allow KeSPA players to play in GSL 5 qualifiers.
I hope the ESL maintains their stand in relation to OSL, or at least say they will participate in the next one too. Do no cave in! DO it for foreigner, do it for Gom! I know I will be watching the fuck out of GSL season 4!
On August 25 2012 01:05 Ghoststrikes wrote: I hope the ESL maintains their stand in relation to OSL, or at least say they will participate in the next one too. Do no cave in! DO it for foreigner, do it for Gom! I know I will be watching the fuck out of GSL season 4!
Unfortunately foreigners are not the main thing here. The Korean market is still a lot more important and GOM has much less traction there.
You should still remember that OGN is pretty much how 90% of Korean progaming gets watched (regardless of what game it is).
I like how the actions are a lot more swift now compared to previous years. It might also just be kespa knowing that the international esports scene is too big now to simply ignore.
Personally I think they had withdrawn to give their players more time to prepare and train. The comparisons in the WCS matches have shown that not that many are good enough yet to compete at the true top level and that there is a certain lack of experience which really takes time to overcome.
On August 25 2012 01:07 Felvo wrote: I like how the actions are a lot more swift now compared to previous years. It might also just be kespa knowing that the international esports scene is too big now to simply ignore.
International eSports is still pretty small in terms of ad dollars compared to Korea. Lots of latent potential though
On August 25 2012 01:07 Rabiator wrote: Personally I think they had withdrawn to give their players more time to prepare and train. The comparisons in the WCS matches have shown that not that many are good enough yet to compete at the true top level and that there is a certain lack of experience which really takes time to overcome.
On August 25 2012 01:05 Ghoststrikes wrote: I hope the ESL maintains their stand in relation to OSL, or at least say they will participate in the next one too. Do no cave in! DO it for foreigner, do it for Gom! I know I will be watching the fuck out of GSL season 4!
Unfortunately foreigners are not the main thing here. The Korean market is still a lot more important and GOM has much less traction there.
You should still remember that OGN is pretty much how 90% of Korean progaming gets watched (regardless of what game it is).
Yes sure Gom has less traction for Korean viewership, but much more for international audience. The game is global, there are big events all over the world, etc. If Kespa/OGN continues to do selfish moves like this they will not gain any support from foreigners, which will be their loss.
Here is the quick and 3 week Fix. ALL tournaments in the world, BAN KESPA. If the players want to play they can leave that team or orginization or whatever the hell kespa truly is.Basicly a huge boycott. I never watched any sc1, and now learning about this kespa thing forcing players to do things, is why sc1 never made it big in the world.
For the sc2 Community to allow this orginization to do these things, is a joke. We are the INTERNET, and we can do ANYTHING and make corporations/companys/orginizations to do what the mass people want. WE WANT KESPA PLAYERS IN EVERY TOURNY. Period.
Incontrol said it right a long time ago. IF i go to an MLG i want to see Bisu or Flash or JayDong. and not allowing thoes players hurts the sc2 community and DE Legitimiz's our Sport.
Ban Kespa Dissolve it. Its old news and needs to be reborn into the thing we call the 21st century
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