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KeSPA Agrees to Participate in GSL Season 5 - Page 16

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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 24 2012 17:16 GMT
#301
Kespa wasted no time in creating drama... Hope they don't foul up everything again :/
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 17:18 GMT
#302
It feels like a waiting move. Unless a contract of some sort is signed, I would not back down.
Lordanubis
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom198 Posts
August 24 2012 17:18 GMT
#303
On August 25 2012 02:09 TumNarDok wrote:
Sorry to say all that korean drama stuff reminded me of a good old #WWE storyline.
All we need is Sundance coming out today.. revealing he is Vince McMahons lost son and OSL and GSL would be 2 different brands of MLG now.


LOL. What a strange mirror universe it could be.

GOM as the major player in WWF.
KeSPA as the young upstart intent on driving the competition out of business, in WCW.

If the OSL and ProLeague start giving away the results of GOM tournaments, then GOM starts an Attitude Era to respond, it'd be perfect.

It's also mean GOM wins in the end, which would be even better
"Hell hath no fury like a Shattered Star" - The Shattered Star
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
August 24 2012 17:18 GMT
#304
Yeah well, this is kinda good news but still, nothing has being said about ESF players going back to this OSL right?...so I assume we're gonna have a wierd OSL this time ... T_T
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
August 24 2012 17:19 GMT
#305
What leverage does Kespa really have here? BW had significantly lower ratings each new year and it ended up with sponsors taking their money elsewhere. Thus the players they have, dont really draw in Korea.

SC2 has without them, become one of the most popular esport game in the world. It is true that in Korea it has not taken off as much but then again why would Kespa change that?

People are mistaking that Kespa will somehow be able to re create the "magic" and get Koreans to watch SC2 in any major capacity, yes they have a few superstars but even guys like Flash and Jaedong are not going to suddenly change the popularity of the game in any meaningful way.

Only thing Kespa has going for it is a few superstars and memories of a better era that 100% belongs to Brood War and the players who worked their asses off entertaining the fans.

GOM should pull out, Blizzard should deny them SC2 license, either play nice or pack it in.
★ Top Gun ★
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
August 24 2012 17:19 GMT
#306
note that they said they will be participating in season 5... which is the season AFTER this upcoming season.

personally, i want ESF to say that "yeah uh we'll also be back for next season's OSL too"

fuck kespa.
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nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
August 24 2012 17:22 GMT
#307
On August 25 2012 02:10 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:09 stew_ wrote:
one of the first times in korea where the sc2 fanboys unite with bw fanboys to talk shit about kespa

You obviously haven't peeked at the other thread with tons of KeSPA fanboys bashing GOM and Blizzard.

Ah nvm, you said "in Korea"

Yea in Korea we know an asshole not worth defending when we see one.
in a state of trance
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
August 24 2012 17:24 GMT
#308
Oh good, this seems to indicate that there will be some form of stability in the Korean e-sports scene due to mutually assured destruction. First time ever that another org has had this kind of clout on KeSPA; they were the only ones that could threaten pulling their players in the past.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
August 24 2012 17:24 GMT
#309
People should shut up about about KeSPA losing or the war is over. KeSPA was most likely going to participate in Season 5 anyway so this announcement changes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. They're still not participating in Season 4. KeSPA still benefits from GSL + KeSPA players being in their league while GSL gets the shortend.

I also call bullshit on their "heavy" schedule. GSL players practically have the harder schedules with their international tournaments and various international team tournaments to go with GSL, GSTL, weeklys. KeSPA has proleague and a bunch of leagues that GSL players ALREADY PARTICIPATE IN. Bullshit.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
Cybel
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany46 Posts
August 24 2012 17:25 GMT
#310
i realy hope that the players not going back to THIS osl season
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
August 24 2012 17:26 GMT
#311
Cant believe i ever doubted ESF. Keep reppin yao´
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 24 2012 17:26 GMT
#312
On August 25 2012 02:19 Tyree wrote:
What leverage does Kespa really have here? BW had significantly lower ratings each new year and it ended up with sponsors taking their money elsewhere. Thus the players they have, dont really draw in Korea.

SC2 has without them, become one of the most popular esport game in the world. It is true that in Korea it has not taken off as much but then again why would Kespa change that?

People are mistaking that Kespa will somehow be able to re create the "magic" and get Koreans to watch SC2 in any major capacity, yes they have a few superstars but even guys like Flash and Jaedong are not going to suddenly change the popularity of the game in any meaningful way.

Only thing Kespa has going for it is a few superstars and memories of a better era that 100% belongs to Brood War and the players who worked their asses off entertaining the fans.

GOM should pull out, Blizzard should deny them SC2 license, either play nice or pack it in.


Kespa has more money, bigger sponsors, a bigger channel and bigger names.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
August 24 2012 17:28 GMT
#313
ESF should now back down and play OSL as originally intended. Following through with their threat will only cause a lot of badwill between the different parties. ESF got what they wanted. Operate as if kespa will do what they promised, and if they don't then just make a larger ruckus next time.
madsweepslol
Profile Joined February 2010
161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 17:30:50
August 24 2012 17:29 GMT
#314
On August 25 2012 02:19 stew_ wrote:
note that they said they will be participating in season 5... which is the season AFTER this upcoming season.

personally, i want ESF to say that "yeah uh we'll also be back for next season's OSL too"

fuck kespa.

I agree. Has ESF stated definitively that they're back in OSL?

On August 25 2012 02:28 gedatsu wrote:
ESF should now back down and play OSL as originally intended. Following through with their threat will only cause a lot of badwill between the different parties. ESF got what they wanted. Operate as if kespa will do what they promised, and if they don't then just make a larger ruckus next time.

There's already badwill from BW when KeSPA demanded payments from GOM and then effectively shut them down.
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
August 24 2012 17:30 GMT
#315
On August 25 2012 02:29 madsweepslol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 02:19 stew_ wrote:
note that they said they will be participating in season 5... which is the season AFTER this upcoming season.

personally, i want ESF to say that "yeah uh we'll also be back for next season's OSL too"

fuck kespa.

I agree. Has ESF stated definitively that they're back in OSL?


no, no such response yet
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 24 2012 17:32 GMT
#316
The only word that matters here is Blizzard's.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18548 Posts
August 24 2012 17:32 GMT
#317
wth are you all comparing GSL and OSL like its the same?
One tournament has already reached the half way and the other tournament hasnt even started yet.

Kespa said they wont participate in GSL BEFORE IT STARTED, ESF is boycotting OSL DURING the tournament.

Dont you realise its two different scenarios?
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 17:33 GMT
#318
On August 25 2012 02:32 sharkie wrote:
wth are you all comparing GSL and OSL like its the same?
One tournament has already reached the half way and the other tournament hasnt even started yet.

Kespa said they wont participate in GSL BEFORE IT STARTED, ESF is boycotting OSL DURING the tournament.

Dont you realise its two different scenarios?

Yes, we do. One is KeSPA being evil. The other is ESF protecting itself from being swallowed.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 17:33:54
August 24 2012 17:33 GMT
#319
On August 25 2012 02:28 gedatsu wrote:
ESF should now back down and play OSL as originally intended. Following through with their threat will only cause a lot of badwill between the different parties. ESF got what they wanted. Operate as if kespa will do what they promised, and if they don't then just make a larger ruckus next time.


back down from what, if they go back and play OSL, then the threat to pull out would have done nothing. the whole point was to get kespa players to play season 4, and kespa is still not doing that.

ESF needs to say, ok we will play in OSL when you play GSL.
Wpgstevo
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada79 Posts
August 24 2012 17:33 GMT
#320
ESF should give exactly the same answer that KeSpa did : "Sorry it didn't work out this time around, but we'll come to your next event!".

Some have said that pulling out of the Ro16 is worse than what KeSpa did. That's kind of true. But its the only action ESF could take. It was either that or nothing, and doing nothing was far far worse.

I hope ESF doesn't back down from this false "concession" by KeSpa.
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