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quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
August 24 2012 10:56 GMT
#641
And the thing I'm afraid the most happens. Considering the move by Kespa, this decision seems reasonable, but E-sports in Korea will suffer greatly from it. Hope they can work this out soon
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phoenixfeather95
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
665 Posts
August 24 2012 10:57 GMT
#642
I hope to God that the Korean Netizens are siding with us in this situation...
Without them we (foreigners) really don't have any say in this matter.
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 24 2012 10:57 GMT
#643
On August 24 2012 19:49 Irave wrote:
Fighting fire with fire, such a brilliant idea. OGN will likely just replace the esf players in the OSL with other Kespa players. This won't change anything. Esf players will get more sour reactions from Korean fans, because the string pullers want to try and prove a point. Lovely over reaction by the ESF.


So your advice to them would be allow KeSPA to take over and kill GOM slowly? I really hope Korean fans aren't so stupid to think the blame is any of this is on the players.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
August 24 2012 10:58 GMT
#644
i'm renewing my subscription for the first time after Naniwa incident for GOM.

even though i will never support kespa ever again, i do make the distinction between the suits and the players.

this is all killing sc2 in korea, no matter how corny it sounds. while the children fight, there's a another huge fish in the pool that's enjoying it all (LoL). so sad.
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 24 2012 10:58 GMT
#645
I wonder if GOM asked ESF to review their players' OSL participation, or the ESF took it upon themselves to show solidarity to GOM by pulling their players out. Either way, lose-lose for everyone.
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
August 24 2012 10:58 GMT
#646
This feels like boxing federations with their 6 different world champions. Well not quite there yet, but I really hope the scene can be united soon.
That aside, from an outsider perspective it will be really interesting to see who is going to win this power struggle. If Kespa rains suppreme one more time, their power over the Starcraft scene will just remain absolute. Which could be pretty problematic for us internation viewers, since they have never shown much intention to cooperate with the foreign scene. Even with the show tournament stunt during MLG, I am not convinced that they will care much for the non-korean scene. At least ESP and GOM have established a reasonable fanbase over the last two years, so maybe they can fight back. But Kespa is so strong and so much more money is in their teams and companies. Ah, this is going to be interesting.
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Warchariot
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom42 Posts
August 24 2012 10:59 GMT
#647
I don't see that GOM had any other choice in the matter, and I agree fully with their decision to do so. KESPA cannot be allowed to bully their competition out.
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zewker
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden271 Posts
August 24 2012 11:00 GMT
#648
Ahh people discussing this like they know everything.

Awell, this is a dick move from both sides and will hurt the sc2 scene in korea.
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Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
August 24 2012 11:00 GMT
#649
On August 24 2012 19:58 Telcontar wrote:
I wonder if GOM asked ESF to review their players' OSL participation, or the ESF took it upon themselves to show solidarity to GOM by pulling their players out. Either way, lose-lose for everyone.

It is maybe lose-lose , but I think they want to show KeSPa that can't do whatever it wants without knowing what the players want.
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
August 24 2012 11:01 GMT
#650
On August 24 2012 19:58 snailz wrote:
i'm renewing my subscription for the first time after Naniwa incident for GOM.

even though i will never support kespa ever again, i do make the distinction between the suits and the players.

this is all killing sc2 in korea, no matter how corny it sounds. while the children fight, there's a another huge fish in the pool that's enjoying it all (LoL). so sad.


I'm glad to hear GOM is getting support again .

Also, in terms of the Naniwa incident - To be fair, they did give Naniwa a seed again (though they did sort of screwed MLG because one of the perks of participating in MLG was a Code S seed). Also, remember GOM did it mainly due to netizen reaction (most players were really against Naniwa, so GOM practically had to do what they did).


Anyway, I said this before but KeSPA's superstars are still only superstars in BW and not in SC2 (they haven't proven themselves yet).

Plus, remember that KeSPA with BW didn't prevent sponsors from losing interest and viewers from declining (and watch Kpop instead).

SC2 is less popular than BW in South Korea (in terms of viewers), so this isn't going to help KeSPA much.

KeSPA can't back on their players anymore to do whatever they want.
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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
August 24 2012 11:01 GMT
#651
It should be noted that the reason why Oz's name doesn't appear on the statement is because they didn't have a chance to discuss it with Oz yet (he is at MLG). Because, you know, players decision in a matter like this is important.
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
August 24 2012 11:01 GMT
#652
well, seeing how far behind kespa players are, this makes sense. they'd just get embarassed in the gsl.. and like fxoboss said, gom really is shit at scheduling.

go kespa, fortunately you can bury sc2 and everyone goes back to brood war :D
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Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
August 24 2012 11:01 GMT
#653
Oh shit. Someone finally calling out Kespa and their evil ways
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
August 24 2012 11:02 GMT
#654
On August 24 2012 20:01 .vid wrote:
well, seeing how far behind kespa players are, this makes sense. they'd just get embarassed in the gsl.. and like fxoboss said, gom really is shit at scheduling.

go kespa, fortunately you can bury sc2 and everyone goes back to brood war :D

You clearly have not been watching WCS as of late.
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CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
August 24 2012 11:02 GMT
#655
I think it is the right move, not only to show support to GOM but also to the KeSPA players now neither able to participate at GSL nor at foreign tournaments without MLGs permission.
Now I think either OGN and/or Blizzard will pressure KeSPA pretty hard. Hopefully this will all be resolved when the next season starts.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
August 24 2012 11:02 GMT
#656
I'm very interested to see if Blizzard is gonna have to get involved in this, and if so, what will happen.
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seenster
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany385 Posts
August 24 2012 11:03 GMT
#657
I would be really happy if someone took some fanreactions of korean sites, translate them and post it / update the thread.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
August 24 2012 11:04 GMT
#658
On August 24 2012 19:06 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.

You have no idea what is loyalty do you?

The fate of the ESF teams is dependent on GOM's league being a success, otherwise they're eventually going to fall behind to the financial power of the KeSPA teams.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 11:07:18
August 24 2012 11:04 GMT
#659
On August 24 2012 20:01 .vid wrote:
well, seeing how far behind kespa players are, this makes sense. they'd just get embarassed in the gsl.. and like fxoboss said, gom really is shit at scheduling.

go kespa, fortunately you can bury sc2 and everyone goes back to brood war :D


Lol, why so mean? Just be fine if KESPA just go back to BW and leave SC2 alone. Leave a toys for SC2 guys, no need to burry SC2 with this

I know, I know... there is no going back

On August 24 2012 20:02 pdd wrote:
You clearly have not been watching WCS as of late.


I did today, Roro vs seed, it still was avarage in BW criteria.
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HoriZoNXI
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia310 Posts
August 24 2012 11:05 GMT
#660
MC & Oz aren't on the list of GSL players boycotting because they aren't part of Esports-Federation (SK, Fnatic)
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