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On August 24 2012 18:07 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 17:57 Arceus wrote:
Deciding not to join the next league is really bad, but pulling out in the middle of the league is a dick move. GOM cant just say Fuck You this loud lol. I fear that if KeSPA decides to play dirty too, GOM might be done for They've done this because KeSPA decided to play dirty by not participating in the GSL. Obviously its not fair if the OSL are making money from the ESF vs KeSPA player storyline, while GOM gets nothing. If GOM wants to stay competitive it's probably the right move or they risk being pushed out, but at the same time unless they both agree to stop this nonsense and allow players to participate in both leagues then things will just escalate and get even more out of hand. I don't know if things can get better from this though, its the second time that KeSPA has tried to screw GOM over so they're unlikely to ever trust them again now. Fucking hell KeSPA you greedy snakes, why couldn't you have paid more attention to MVP's speech at the group selection.
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GOM shoulda reached an agreement with KeSPA, something that brings players of each league to the others, but they didnt
GOM shoulda had a fix schedule, one that considered PL, OSL and stuffs so KeSPA couldnt just bail out citing the schedule, but they didnt
I do not side with KeSPA , but GOM did a bad job there. This is serious market share battle, and GOM naively believes in that bro agreement to "promote esport" lol KeSPA aint your bro man. KeSPA found a loophole in the way GOM doing business, and they will make the bear bite the dust
So what now? GOM( or ESF, whatever, this is for GOM's interest) is going apeshit over something they could have prevented. Totally understandable and typical for a youngster. But someone else with like ten years running this business will make them pay for that.
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What is the matter with people, lol. This whole thing, from beginning to end, is just ridiculous.
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On August 24 2012 18:12 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:09 saocyn wrote:
i don't understand why people are bitching and the fact it's going to hurt "sc2"
this move should have been done LONG AGO if anything. kespa are the douches if you guys don't see that. what they're essentially trying to do with not merging with non kespa players is have their players catch up and keep the reign that they had in bw without showing that their players are weaker than GSL players in sc2. THAT HURTS EVERYONE. why? because kespa players can't catch up quicker. the more they play against people currently better than they are, the quicker they catch up.
along with the fact GSL players don't see another side of a pure style of game that they lack.
not to mention EVERYONE wants to see the kespa best vs the sc2 best, and it would completely bring unity to the sc community but they don't' want that happening cause they're to prideful. Actually, I doubt it's caused by the "let our players catch up" reason. I mean, we've all seen WCS Korea, and there are strong signs that they are already at a great level. Though GSL and "1-week-preparation" tournaments are different, I think if the KeSPA players can compete in terms of skill in these kind of matches (WCS) they'll do well in GSL (at least qualifiers and Code A) because they already have the work ethic and organization of these kind of tournaments. I believe the reason is way more based on money. "Hey, let's have alone all the benefits from the Kespa vs ESF storyline".
everything i've stated was for the money.
the whole prideful bw community would fall to shambles if the armor of invincibility around flash, and the top guys were to be pierced. (who wants to see their champion dragged through the mud?) it's really simple actually, the reason the top guys in bw got paid the way they did was because they kept winning, and everyone knows eventually losing hurts the amount of sponsors, and the money generated through their reputation. (imagine if boxer mayweather lost)
this also leads to the fact kespa wants pretty much complete reign over the money in sc2 as well right from the getgo. the only way to do that is to not tarnish the reputation of the players who seemed invincible and build them up until eventually, they can be, or so far as we assumed if sc1 skills transfer / work ethic.
there is absolutely no other reason why you would avoid the merge. the merge helps SC as a COMMUNITY in general because you get the full spectrum of ALL players and what sc represents. you get new strats that haven't been seen before and a new output on the game. all the people in korea who didn't even watch sc2, but sc, would watch it because their heroes played it. the amount of events and people attending would almost be twice of what it is now from both foreigners and koreans. imagine if MLG hosted an OFFICIAL MLG with flash, jaedong, bisu, fantasy, soulkey, mpv, nestea, dongraegu, huk, stephano, marineking, etc.
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On August 24 2012 17:49 Dodgin wrote:
This is HUGE. Can they even continue the OSL with this happening? They lost half of their players.
Of course they can , but i don't see OGN leting them again in their tournament .
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Ughh I just feel like a nasty storm is coming in the next few months. Hopefully these organizations can put differences aside for the sake of the players and the fans.
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On August 24 2012 18:20 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
are the players ok with this though? Isn't ESF just doing exactly the same thing that we called Kespa out on? I doubt the GSL players don't want to play in the OSL
eSF ___IS____ the players.
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At the end of the day fuck all corporations, all players and fans will be hurt the most
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On August 24 2012 18:24 a_flayer wrote:
What is the matter with people, lol. This whole thing, from beginning to end, is just ridiculous.
Drama bro.. DRAMA!
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Dick move, they already did it once to NASL. shame on them
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On August 24 2012 18:21 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:19 kollossal wrote:
what stops kespa teams going to ESF? KeSPA does. They own the teams. The only way that could happen is if an entire team literally quit/retired/moved from KeSPA entirely, abandoning their sponsors, then formed their own new independent team.
Essentially KeSPA players are under a dictatorship and are told what they can and can't participate in. While the ESPORTS Federation's decisions are based on the players own choice.
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On August 24 2012 18:25 Michaels wrote:
Dick move, they already did it once to NASL. shame on them
That was the SC2 Conference or whatever they were called. That group disbanded.
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On August 24 2012 18:21 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:20 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 18:18 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 18:10 Mauldo wrote:On August 24 2012 18:04 bgx wrote:On August 24 2012 18:00 blade55555 wrote:On August 24 2012 17:57 Kergy wrote:This may end up killing SC2 completely in Korea  No it won't. It might hurt Kespa, but GOM will be fine as from what I read korean fans (that watch GSL players anyway) agree with their decision as it's been fairly positive someone said. I dont think thats a reality, if GOM(ESF) risks that much, it means they are threatened already by Kespa players reputation in Korea. Meaning Kespa already leads in Korea, how long GOM will live by foreign votes? What are they risking though? Kespa fucked GOM, so ESF fucked Kespa. Considering ESF has been basically supported by the regular paycheck of GSL, the move makes sense. Mr. Chae (and Artosis on a few SOTGs) has gone on record multiple times saying GSL was basically there to fund teams until they could get real sponsors with Code A and Code S paychecks. What happened was Kespa threw a jab at GOM, and ESF stepped in to tackle them to the ground. Now Kespa has figure out how they're going to get standing again. Can you tell me what they're risking? Especially when Korean fans are uniformly with the ESF decision? ESF what are they risking? Their organization along with GOM. Why? Because KESPA doesn't need their players now, they will just offer them bigger paychecks later. Because KESPA has MONEY. KESPA threw a fucking haymaker. ESF slapped them because they have no real influence. Now, KESPA doesn't have to give a shit. One more blow. Snipe all ESF/GOM players ASAP. Why? Cuz dey has money. Uhh no. 1) They signed an agreement not to do that and 2) All of the players wont suddenly up and move. For 1 year... They can wait as long as they need to. KeSPA isn't in a rush to get this all worked out.
Then they'd lose TONS of foreign viewers and potential money. But maybe they are stupid.
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well, i'm not actually a fan of BW neither know anything about KeSPA... but way to go to pass a good image huh KeSPA?!
i'm very impressed with the dictatorship they're trying to impose here, well, fuck them, i'll side with ESF and GOM all the way, cuz KeSPA was the TOTAL DICKHEAD in this situation.
"Oh, let's take our bw star players out of GSL code A so only we can benefit from their image and transition hype... but hmmm, let's keep all ESF players so we can have the GSL vs KeSPA storyline to increase our viewer count to the skyes! we ARE SO SMART OMG!!!"
ESF is basically saying "well, fuck you, i dont have to play with you, YOU CUNT, i'm the one in charge here, u're just arriving and most of our players can outmacro & outmacro your best player, so drop the attitude and go to hell  "
If this decision are final, i won't watch OSL (even tho i loved the drama between parting vs baby, mc vc flash and etc) due to respect and support to ESF and GOM, they didnt deserved to be fucked in the ass like that in the first place.
i'm so pissed, sorry moderators.
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On August 24 2012 18:20 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:18 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 18:10 Mauldo wrote:On August 24 2012 18:04 bgx wrote:On August 24 2012 18:00 blade55555 wrote:On August 24 2012 17:57 Kergy wrote:This may end up killing SC2 completely in Korea No it won't. It might hurt Kespa, but GOM will be fine as from what I read korean fans (that watch GSL players anyway) agree with their decision as it's been fairly positive someone said. I dont think thats a reality, if GOM(ESF) risks that much, it means they are threatened already by Kespa players reputation in Korea. Meaning Kespa already leads in Korea, how long GOM will live by foreign votes? What are they risking though? Kespa fucked GOM, so ESF fucked Kespa. Considering ESF has been basically supported by the regular paycheck of GSL, the move makes sense. Mr. Chae (and Artosis on a few SOTGs) has gone on record multiple times saying GSL was basically there to fund teams until they could get real sponsors with Code A and Code S paychecks. What happened was Kespa threw a jab at GOM, and ESF stepped in to tackle them to the ground. Now Kespa has figure out how they're going to get standing again. Can you tell me what they're risking? Especially when Korean fans are uniformly with the ESF decision? ESF what are they risking? Their organization along with GOM. Why? Because KESPA doesn't need their players now, they will just offer them bigger paychecks later. Because KESPA has MONEY. KESPA threw a fucking haymaker. ESF slapped them because they have no real influence. Now, KESPA doesn't have to give a shit. One more blow. Snipe all ESF/GOM players ASAP. Why? Cuz dey has money. Uhh no. 1) They signed an agreement not to do that and 2) All of the players wont suddenly up and move.
Do you know what ASAP means? As soon as possible
Also it isn't like they have to actually listen to the agreement lol. An agreement like this if broken by KESPA only means the agreement is broken. Then, ESF can try to snipe KESPA players (lol). The agreement laws could be different in Korea, but typically if someone doesn't hold up their end of a bargain the other end doesn't have to be held up. In the end it is like shooting a bullet after the cease fire, shit starts up after that 
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I'm not sure kespa really understands their position. The international community is what's really driving SC2 right now, and a great many of the fans don't have that BW background. They watch GSL, they're fans of foreigners and ESF players, and public opinion is sure to be on the ESF's side. Kespa doesn't have the monopoly on talent or the only respected tournaments anymore. They need to play nice or this could very well blow up in their face even more than it just did.
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On August 24 2012 18:25 TheWorldToCome wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:21 MCXD wrote:On August 24 2012 18:19 kollossal wrote:
what stops kespa teams going to ESF? KeSPA does. They own the teams. The only way that could happen is if an entire team literally quit/retired/moved from KeSPA entirely, abandoning their sponsors, then formed their own new independent team. Essentially KeSPA players are under a dictatorship and are told what they can and can't participate in. While the ESPORTS Federation's decisions are based on the players own choice.
Pretty much.
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On August 24 2012 18:25 Michaels wrote:
Dick move, they already did it once to NASL. shame on them
This time I support them. It's KeSPA that reminds me of NASL.
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On August 24 2012 18:23 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:20 Laryleprakon wrote:MVP tried to save us with his speech but it wasn't enough, I hope it all works out Looking back at it now, I think maybe Mvp (and other players) probably thought this was a real possibility.
Knowing that he himsefl was once a BW player, and thus know KeSPA, maybe he was even knowing this was coming...
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On August 24 2012 18:22 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:21 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 18:19 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 18:18 Talin wrote:On August 24 2012 18:15 blade55555 wrote:On August 24 2012 18:14 Talin wrote:
Hey, I thought ESF players had the freedom and independence to play in any tournament they like!
Guess not.
Seriously, GOM & co are such drama queens. Just an FYI this is the players decisions. Nothing to do with GOM the players want to react themselves. Isn't that funny now you can't blame GOM as they don't have ANY control over the players in what they play or not. Yes, let's trust bland PR statements because they're definitely being honest. -_- It's literally the same thing on both sides and for literally the same reasons. Except the GSL players already committed to playing in OSL. MC came out on twitter to say he sides the ESF. Choya is explaning OZ's side. That's not PR. And the one who announce this decision is Nestea. A player. See the difference? Is there anywhere with a list of what the progamers have said? Any links you can give? All the sources and everything are on reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/ (are we allowed to post reddit links? Please tell me to delete if its not allowed thank you.)
It's not the link that matters, its the content, always has. If there is something really new amazing insight that is posted on 4chan.org then post it. If there is some shitty news post full of garbage and misinformation then don't post it, even if it comes from god. Again its the content behind the link and not the actual link that is important.
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