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Think before you post. This should go without saying, there are so many people making absolutely idiotic comments in this thread. If you have nothing constructive to say, please don't say anything.
jayt88
Profile Joined July 2010
Singapore97 Posts
September 02 2012 18:40 GMT
#1881
Guys. inControl said on the redbull Xelnaga tournament "Stephano is now staying in the EG house".
Although there wasn't a clear announcement, I think you pretty much get the idea.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 02 2012 18:43 GMT
#1882
On September 03 2012 03:39 NeonFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:34 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:26 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

scoots didn't yell at Slasher saying his sources were wrong. he simply was questioning his sources and didn't like that Slasher said "sources" instead of naming them

This is standard practice in journalism. It's weird that he'd have such an issue with this since it's common in basically every newspaper.

well yes and no. for a piece like Slasher did, about player movement its standard. but for more serious stories its a big no no


What? The more the story is serious the more the source needs to be protected.. You don't name a source or you don't have sources anymore, like Shiori said this is the way it works.

In this case the person telling Slasher (if of course Slasher didn't make it up) did so under the agreement of not having his name revealed, which Slasher will do or nobody will tell him anything anymore.

I don't get that people are confused about this.

dude, you couldn't be more wrong. when serious stories happen, if you use an anonymous source, its going to create problems. You HAVE to get people to go on the record with serious stories because the implication the story can have. Anonymity is a huge risk when writing stories because it can back fire very easily. if your proof is from an anonymous source, your story can just be denied and denied and can lead to lawsuits.

Slasher's piece about Stephano to EG is very Adam Schefter like. In which the use of anonymous sources is an accepted practice because if your sources end up being wrong, people will just stop paying attention to you and the stories aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. But if Slasher were to report on a story which damages EG in some way, using an anonymous source would be journalist suicide. Its the same reason that nothing came about the whole GESL drama. No one would go on record with proof of who sabotaged the event even though there were claims of who did it.


In serious cases the sources can be revealed with their consent to legal staff, you don't out a source unless that person is ok with it. It stays an anonymous source in the sense the people affected by the news and the public doesn't know who the source is. If what you said was applied there wouldn't be anymore anonymous sources.

when anonymous sources are used, they are used lightly. everything they say needs to be completely fact checked and proven. Information often comes from anonymous sources. But you don't just go and write the story then with that info and say, "according to sources". No, you investigate and ask around, finding out is this good info? And what you find out, then you write your story using the stuff you have proved. You can't just write a story and cite anonymous sources. You will get your ass fired if you are doing that with serious stories.
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KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
September 02 2012 18:46 GMT
#1883
On September 03 2012 03:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:34 Ercster wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:03 Adonminus wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

By JYP you mean their only Code S player?

Yeah JYP is still quite decent. Machine is a bit like incontrol. But LZgamer? I know nothing about that guy except the fact that he is on EG.

Please don't take this as bashing, but I have to agree with you on LzGamer. When they made the decision to cut Axslav and keep Lz, I was very surprised.

OP: I'm really curious as to when we are going to get an official announcement. I would have figured that with a high profile player, like Stephano, they would want to announce the recruitment right away.

people always say this about Lz, but he's actually a very solid player. He placed better than Axslav at the most recent MLG as well.

Plus, he isn't an expense as he doesn't live in the house.
Get crunk
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
September 02 2012 18:48 GMT
#1884
On September 03 2012 03:43 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:39 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:34 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:26 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

scoots didn't yell at Slasher saying his sources were wrong. he simply was questioning his sources and didn't like that Slasher said "sources" instead of naming them

This is standard practice in journalism. It's weird that he'd have such an issue with this since it's common in basically every newspaper.

well yes and no. for a piece like Slasher did, about player movement its standard. but for more serious stories its a big no no


What? The more the story is serious the more the source needs to be protected.. You don't name a source or you don't have sources anymore, like Shiori said this is the way it works.

In this case the person telling Slasher (if of course Slasher didn't make it up) did so under the agreement of not having his name revealed, which Slasher will do or nobody will tell him anything anymore.

I don't get that people are confused about this.

dude, you couldn't be more wrong. when serious stories happen, if you use an anonymous source, its going to create problems. You HAVE to get people to go on the record with serious stories because the implication the story can have. Anonymity is a huge risk when writing stories because it can back fire very easily. if your proof is from an anonymous source, your story can just be denied and denied and can lead to lawsuits.

Slasher's piece about Stephano to EG is very Adam Schefter like. In which the use of anonymous sources is an accepted practice because if your sources end up being wrong, people will just stop paying attention to you and the stories aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. But if Slasher were to report on a story which damages EG in some way, using an anonymous source would be journalist suicide. Its the same reason that nothing came about the whole GESL drama. No one would go on record with proof of who sabotaged the event even though there were claims of who did it.


In serious cases the sources can be revealed with their consent to legal staff, you don't out a source unless that person is ok with it. It stays an anonymous source in the sense the people affected by the news and the public doesn't know who the source is. If what you said was applied there wouldn't be anymore anonymous sources.

when anonymous sources are used, they are used lightly. everything they say needs to be completely fact checked and proven. Information often comes from anonymous sources. But you don't just go and write the story then with that info and say, "according to sources". No, you investigate and ask around, finding out is this good info? And what you find out, then you write your story using the stuff you have proved. You can't just write a story and cite anonymous sources. You will get your ass fired if you are doing that with serious stories.


Of course stories are verified, but you still don't reveal the name of the anonymous source. That's the point of an anonymous source.

"The identity of anonymous sources is sometimes revealed to senior editors or a news organization's lawyers, who would be considered bound by the same confidentiality. (Lawyers are generally protected from subpoena in these cases by attorney/client privilege.) Legal staff may need to give counsel about whether it is advisable to publish certain information, or about court proceedings that may attempt to learn confidential information. Senior editors are in the loop to prevent reporters from fabricating non-existent, anonymous sources, and to provide a second opinion about how to use the information obtained, how or how not to identify sources, and whether other options should be pursued."
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 02 2012 18:51 GMT
#1885
On September 03 2012 03:48 NeonFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:43 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:39 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:34 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:26 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

scoots didn't yell at Slasher saying his sources were wrong. he simply was questioning his sources and didn't like that Slasher said "sources" instead of naming them

This is standard practice in journalism. It's weird that he'd have such an issue with this since it's common in basically every newspaper.

well yes and no. for a piece like Slasher did, about player movement its standard. but for more serious stories its a big no no


What? The more the story is serious the more the source needs to be protected.. You don't name a source or you don't have sources anymore, like Shiori said this is the way it works.

In this case the person telling Slasher (if of course Slasher didn't make it up) did so under the agreement of not having his name revealed, which Slasher will do or nobody will tell him anything anymore.

I don't get that people are confused about this.

dude, you couldn't be more wrong. when serious stories happen, if you use an anonymous source, its going to create problems. You HAVE to get people to go on the record with serious stories because the implication the story can have. Anonymity is a huge risk when writing stories because it can back fire very easily. if your proof is from an anonymous source, your story can just be denied and denied and can lead to lawsuits.

Slasher's piece about Stephano to EG is very Adam Schefter like. In which the use of anonymous sources is an accepted practice because if your sources end up being wrong, people will just stop paying attention to you and the stories aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. But if Slasher were to report on a story which damages EG in some way, using an anonymous source would be journalist suicide. Its the same reason that nothing came about the whole GESL drama. No one would go on record with proof of who sabotaged the event even though there were claims of who did it.


In serious cases the sources can be revealed with their consent to legal staff, you don't out a source unless that person is ok with it. It stays an anonymous source in the sense the people affected by the news and the public doesn't know who the source is. If what you said was applied there wouldn't be anymore anonymous sources.

when anonymous sources are used, they are used lightly. everything they say needs to be completely fact checked and proven. Information often comes from anonymous sources. But you don't just go and write the story then with that info and say, "according to sources". No, you investigate and ask around, finding out is this good info? And what you find out, then you write your story using the stuff you have proved. You can't just write a story and cite anonymous sources. You will get your ass fired if you are doing that with serious stories.


Of course stories are verified, but you still don't reveal the name of the anonymous source. That's the point of an anonymous source.

"The identity of anonymous sources is sometimes revealed to senior editors or a news organization's lawyers, who would be considered bound by the same confidentiality. (Lawyers are generally protected from subpoena in these cases by attorney/client privilege.) Legal staff may need to give counsel about whether it is advisable to publish certain information, or about court proceedings that may attempt to learn confidential information. Senior editors are in the loop to prevent reporters from fabricating non-existent, anonymous sources, and to provide a second opinion about how to use the information obtained, how or how not to identify sources, and whether other options should be pursued."

Yes, but you don't go and write your story citing anonymous sources. You will get sued. You will lose your job. You use sources at the base level of your story. From their you build your story, get people to go on record (not necessarily your source) and so on.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
September 02 2012 18:55 GMT
#1886
On September 03 2012 03:46 KvltMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:34 Ercster wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:03 Adonminus wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

By JYP you mean their only Code S player?

Yeah JYP is still quite decent. Machine is a bit like incontrol. But LZgamer? I know nothing about that guy except the fact that he is on EG.

Please don't take this as bashing, but I have to agree with you on LzGamer. When they made the decision to cut Axslav and keep Lz, I was very surprised.

OP: I'm really curious as to when we are going to get an official announcement. I would have figured that with a high profile player, like Stephano, they would want to announce the recruitment right away.

people always say this about Lz, but he's actually a very solid player. He placed better than Axslav at the most recent MLG as well.

Plus, he isn't an expense as he doesn't live in the house.

What? How is it less expensive? He still has an EG computer and gear, like everyone else, and he participates in some of the same events. They would be paying him less if he lived in the Lair because then they wouldn't have to give him money to live in an apartment.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 02 2012 18:57 GMT
#1887
On September 03 2012 03:55 Ercster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:46 KvltMan wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:34 Ercster wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:03 Adonminus wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

By JYP you mean their only Code S player?

Yeah JYP is still quite decent. Machine is a bit like incontrol. But LZgamer? I know nothing about that guy except the fact that he is on EG.

Please don't take this as bashing, but I have to agree with you on LzGamer. When they made the decision to cut Axslav and keep Lz, I was very surprised.

OP: I'm really curious as to when we are going to get an official announcement. I would have figured that with a high profile player, like Stephano, they would want to announce the recruitment right away.

people always say this about Lz, but he's actually a very solid player. He placed better than Axslav at the most recent MLG as well.

Plus, he isn't an expense as he doesn't live in the house.

What? How is it less expensive? He still has an EG computer and gear, like everyone else, and he participates in some of the same events. They would be paying him less if he lived in the Lair because then they wouldn't have to give him money to live in an apartment.

its pointless to talk about contract details that no one actually knows....
www.superbeerbrothers.com
DontNerfInfestors
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain280 Posts
September 02 2012 18:59 GMT
#1888
Could this have to do with the fact that EG and SlayerS are stopping partnership?
Please dont nerf them.Infestors are fine.
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
September 02 2012 19:01 GMT
#1889
On September 03 2012 03:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:34 Ercster wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:03 Adonminus wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

By JYP you mean their only Code S player?

Yeah JYP is still quite decent. Machine is a bit like incontrol. But LZgamer? I know nothing about that guy except the fact that he is on EG.

Please don't take this as bashing, but I have to agree with you on LzGamer. When they made the decision to cut Axslav and keep Lz, I was very surprised.

OP: I'm really curious as to when we are going to get an official announcement. I would have figured that with a high profile player, like Stephano, they would want to announce the recruitment right away.

people always say this about Lz, but he's actually a very solid player. He placed better than Axslav at the most recent MLG as well.

I think the biggest issue is that he isn't being marketed. I don't see him except for that occasional tournament and whenever he is in the lair and walks by. And yes, the same could be said for there other players, but they're doing pretty well in the major tournaments.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
September 02 2012 19:06 GMT
#1890
On September 03 2012 03:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:55 Ercster wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:46 KvltMan wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:34 Ercster wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:03 Adonminus wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

By JYP you mean their only Code S player?

Yeah JYP is still quite decent. Machine is a bit like incontrol. But LZgamer? I know nothing about that guy except the fact that he is on EG.

Please don't take this as bashing, but I have to agree with you on LzGamer. When they made the decision to cut Axslav and keep Lz, I was very surprised.

OP: I'm really curious as to when we are going to get an official announcement. I would have figured that with a high profile player, like Stephano, they would want to announce the recruitment right away.

people always say this about Lz, but he's actually a very solid player. He placed better than Axslav at the most recent MLG as well.

Plus, he isn't an expense as he doesn't live in the house.

What? How is it less expensive? He still has an EG computer and gear, like everyone else, and he participates in some of the same events. They would be paying him less if he lived in the Lair because then they wouldn't have to give him money to live in an apartment.

its pointless to talk about contract details that no one actually knows....

You don't need to know the contract details to make a logical assumption. EG wants their players to be able to play, so they pay them enough to live on there own, which would include an apartment, internet connection, and food.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
September 02 2012 19:15 GMT
#1891
On September 03 2012 03:59 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
Could this have to do with the fact that EG and SlayerS are stopping partnership?


I dont see how that would affect Stephano signing with EG.
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
September 02 2012 19:17 GMT
#1892
On September 03 2012 03:40 jayt88 wrote:
Guys. inControl said on the redbull Xelnaga tournament "Stephano is now staying in the EG house".
Although there wasn't a clear announcement, I think you pretty much get the idea.

He was only teasing. He said that if the crowd helped him win round 1, he'd tell them if Stephano would join EG. Then he just said "Stephano has been visiting us for a week". He's a liar and a scoundrel

But a damn charming one.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
September 02 2012 19:25 GMT
#1893
On September 03 2012 03:51 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:48 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:43 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:39 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:34 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:26 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:42 HeeroFX wrote:
I remember how on live on 3 sirscoots was yelling at slasher for saying his sources were wrong. But with that recent video of Stephano streaming in the EG lair in idra's train, it really seems like there is a 80% chance stephano is going to be joining EG. But I feel like EG is going to be cutting a few more players, there SC 2 squad is getting huge. And no offense to Machine, or LZ gamer, and JYP to an extent, these guys haven't really shown results. Incontrol is safe because he does a lot of speaking stuff for EG and puts them in a positive image. He is the pretty face.

scoots didn't yell at Slasher saying his sources were wrong. he simply was questioning his sources and didn't like that Slasher said "sources" instead of naming them

This is standard practice in journalism. It's weird that he'd have such an issue with this since it's common in basically every newspaper.

well yes and no. for a piece like Slasher did, about player movement its standard. but for more serious stories its a big no no


What? The more the story is serious the more the source needs to be protected.. You don't name a source or you don't have sources anymore, like Shiori said this is the way it works.

In this case the person telling Slasher (if of course Slasher didn't make it up) did so under the agreement of not having his name revealed, which Slasher will do or nobody will tell him anything anymore.

I don't get that people are confused about this.

dude, you couldn't be more wrong. when serious stories happen, if you use an anonymous source, its going to create problems. You HAVE to get people to go on the record with serious stories because the implication the story can have. Anonymity is a huge risk when writing stories because it can back fire very easily. if your proof is from an anonymous source, your story can just be denied and denied and can lead to lawsuits.

Slasher's piece about Stephano to EG is very Adam Schefter like. In which the use of anonymous sources is an accepted practice because if your sources end up being wrong, people will just stop paying attention to you and the stories aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. But if Slasher were to report on a story which damages EG in some way, using an anonymous source would be journalist suicide. Its the same reason that nothing came about the whole GESL drama. No one would go on record with proof of who sabotaged the event even though there were claims of who did it.


In serious cases the sources can be revealed with their consent to legal staff, you don't out a source unless that person is ok with it. It stays an anonymous source in the sense the people affected by the news and the public doesn't know who the source is. If what you said was applied there wouldn't be anymore anonymous sources.

when anonymous sources are used, they are used lightly. everything they say needs to be completely fact checked and proven. Information often comes from anonymous sources. But you don't just go and write the story then with that info and say, "according to sources". No, you investigate and ask around, finding out is this good info? And what you find out, then you write your story using the stuff you have proved. You can't just write a story and cite anonymous sources. You will get your ass fired if you are doing that with serious stories.


Of course stories are verified, but you still don't reveal the name of the anonymous source. That's the point of an anonymous source.

"The identity of anonymous sources is sometimes revealed to senior editors or a news organization's lawyers, who would be considered bound by the same confidentiality. (Lawyers are generally protected from subpoena in these cases by attorney/client privilege.) Legal staff may need to give counsel about whether it is advisable to publish certain information, or about court proceedings that may attempt to learn confidential information. Senior editors are in the loop to prevent reporters from fabricating non-existent, anonymous sources, and to provide a second opinion about how to use the information obtained, how or how not to identify sources, and whether other options should be pursued."

Yes, but you don't go and write your story citing anonymous sources. You will get sued. You will lose your job. You use sources at the base level of your story. From their you build your story, get people to go on record (not necessarily your source) and so on.


You will only get sued if your story is untrue.

That episode of LiveonThree was a massive tell that Stephano was joining EG. SirScoots clearly knew about Slasher's story about Stephano joining EG. If it was untrue, SirScoots would have taken that opportunity to state that it was not true. By not denying the story was true, he tacitly admitted it was true. If Slasher was telling falsehoods about EG and Stephano, SirScoots would have said so. He didn't. Therefore Slasher's story about Stephano joining EG is definitely true.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
September 02 2012 19:54 GMT
#1894
On September 03 2012 04:25 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 03:51 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:48 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:43 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:39 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:34 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:26 NeonFox wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 03 2012 03:01 Shiori wrote:
On September 03 2012 02:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
[quote]
scoots didn't yell at Slasher saying his sources were wrong. he simply was questioning his sources and didn't like that Slasher said "sources" instead of naming them

This is standard practice in journalism. It's weird that he'd have such an issue with this since it's common in basically every newspaper.

well yes and no. for a piece like Slasher did, about player movement its standard. but for more serious stories its a big no no


What? The more the story is serious the more the source needs to be protected.. You don't name a source or you don't have sources anymore, like Shiori said this is the way it works.

In this case the person telling Slasher (if of course Slasher didn't make it up) did so under the agreement of not having his name revealed, which Slasher will do or nobody will tell him anything anymore.

I don't get that people are confused about this.

dude, you couldn't be more wrong. when serious stories happen, if you use an anonymous source, its going to create problems. You HAVE to get people to go on the record with serious stories because the implication the story can have. Anonymity is a huge risk when writing stories because it can back fire very easily. if your proof is from an anonymous source, your story can just be denied and denied and can lead to lawsuits.

Slasher's piece about Stephano to EG is very Adam Schefter like. In which the use of anonymous sources is an accepted practice because if your sources end up being wrong, people will just stop paying attention to you and the stories aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. But if Slasher were to report on a story which damages EG in some way, using an anonymous source would be journalist suicide. Its the same reason that nothing came about the whole GESL drama. No one would go on record with proof of who sabotaged the event even though there were claims of who did it.


In serious cases the sources can be revealed with their consent to legal staff, you don't out a source unless that person is ok with it. It stays an anonymous source in the sense the people affected by the news and the public doesn't know who the source is. If what you said was applied there wouldn't be anymore anonymous sources.

when anonymous sources are used, they are used lightly. everything they say needs to be completely fact checked and proven. Information often comes from anonymous sources. But you don't just go and write the story then with that info and say, "according to sources". No, you investigate and ask around, finding out is this good info? And what you find out, then you write your story using the stuff you have proved. You can't just write a story and cite anonymous sources. You will get your ass fired if you are doing that with serious stories.


Of course stories are verified, but you still don't reveal the name of the anonymous source. That's the point of an anonymous source.

"The identity of anonymous sources is sometimes revealed to senior editors or a news organization's lawyers, who would be considered bound by the same confidentiality. (Lawyers are generally protected from subpoena in these cases by attorney/client privilege.) Legal staff may need to give counsel about whether it is advisable to publish certain information, or about court proceedings that may attempt to learn confidential information. Senior editors are in the loop to prevent reporters from fabricating non-existent, anonymous sources, and to provide a second opinion about how to use the information obtained, how or how not to identify sources, and whether other options should be pursued."

Yes, but you don't go and write your story citing anonymous sources. You will get sued. You will lose your job. You use sources at the base level of your story. From their you build your story, get people to go on record (not necessarily your source) and so on.


You will only get sued if your story is untrue.

That episode of LiveonThree was a massive tell that Stephano was joining EG. SirScoots clearly knew about Slasher's story about Stephano joining EG. If it was untrue, SirScoots would have taken that opportunity to state that it was not true. By not denying the story was true, he tacitly admitted it was true. If Slasher was telling falsehoods about EG and Stephano, SirScoots would have said so. He didn't. Therefore Slasher's story about Stephano joining EG is definitely true.


I don't know how your assumption that it is definitely true holds. Yes, it is likely true, but just because Scoots didn't deny it doesn't confirm its existence.
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
September 02 2012 20:25 GMT
#1895
http://de.twitch.tv/mstephano/b/330792766

Stephano beating a map hacker like a baws. Hope he won't lose these skills after joining EG like the rest of the high priced prospects.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 21:01:12
September 02 2012 20:59 GMT
#1896
EG curse already in full affect, loses to TT1 in a macro game :3

(NO TROLL, or yes TROLL, TT1 king of throwing games :x)
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
September 02 2012 21:03 GMT
#1897
You guys have some weird criteria for what you can sue for. Wtf are you gonna sue for if someone publishes an article saying a team is gonna do something, and they don't?
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
September 02 2012 21:17 GMT
#1898
I'm so glad that Stephano joined EG. He will do some great work there!
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
September 02 2012 21:20 GMT
#1899
I hope Stephano asked to stay in the team house for a week or so to see the chemistry with other EG members. Would be a wise move.
#1 Grubby Fan.
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
September 02 2012 21:28 GMT
#1900
Just for fun speculation, I think EG is picking up more then just Stephano if anything, it is so blatantly obvious that he is going to EG but for this announcement to come out there has to be more to it then just Stephano going to EG since it is taking longer then normal.

Maybe EG is going to join the GSTL? There roster looks pretty impactful to make a dent in the GSTL.. What i want is for EG and Teamliquid to join together and VS the koreans in the GSTL, now that could be a team that wins.
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