[D] The raven buff does not address TvZ issues - Page 48

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If this thread can't remain civil then we'll have to close it. Thread will be moderated harshly from pg.3 onwards.

plogamer

Canada3132 Posts

November 23 2012 15:11 GMT

#941

On November 24 2012 00:06 ElBlanco wrote:

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On November 23 2012 23:52 plogamer wrote:

On November 23 2012 23:24 ElBlanco wrote:

On November 23 2012 23:03 plogamer wrote:

On November 23 2012 23:00 Ghanburighan wrote:

On November 23 2012 22:49 ElBlanco wrote:

On September 05 2012 18:05 Ghanburighan wrote:

On September 05 2012 09:36 blade55555 wrote:

On September 05 2012 09:34 OpTiKDream wrote:
Either way blizzard reconsidered their thoughts about buffing raven + tumor nerf. This should be closed now since the changes wont occur anyways.

Ya all this thread is now is a QQ thread and I do agree changes aren't happening anymore, and hots beta is ~~going to be~~ out ~~soon~~ anyway.

If this is closed, there will be another QQ thread. Like there was one before this (Luckyfool), and 1 before that (1 month later), and 1 before that (where did all the terrans go), etc.

Let's face it, non Mvp/Taeja terrans are pretty unhappy about the status quo (unless they switched to Z like me and have fun mucking about like mad).

Of all the arguments ever made about terran being underpowered and hard to use this has to be the most common and frankly nonsensical one of the lot. Terran have always had the most variety of players performing well at the top level. Even right now at the height of all these discussions about terran being terrible they have the best representation in both code S and code A (though admittedly performed slightly worse than zerg overall in code S).

If anything zerg and protoss are the ones who have historically relied on a handful of players to hold the race up. Hell take out MC and protoss in WOL is a sad, sad state of affairs.

Anyway i've just switched to terran after having played zerg and protoss and so far i'm having a great time. I'm still a high diamond/low masters player. I guess i just haven't reached the 1-2% of players where terran are struggling (they are fine diamond and below and they are fine in Korea, the only place they apparently struggle is in high masters and GM outside of Korea).

This issue has been massively overblown and that's why the balance discussion has gotten so muddied. If anything the focus should just be on changing things that make the game less interesting like fungal growth stopping units. Instead people just want to whinge about imbalance.

Wait, you replied to me but I don't know which of my statements you so vehemently disagree with. Want to clarify? Did you mean that it's fun for you to play TvZ? Do tell me more about your experiences climbing the ladder.

A combative forum poster who assumes every quote is a vehement disagreement, replying to a hypocritical post about how Terran balance is overblown while overblowing Zerg and Protoss balance; especially by quoting "history". Urk, two wrong, blah blah.

Where have i overblown zerg and protoss balance? I don't think balance for any race is in a bad spot right now.

My post was mostly in reply to the Taeja/MVP comment which is more just a general sentiment i have been reading for months.

If anything zerg and protoss are the ones who have historically relied on a handful of players to hold the race up.

Add the fact that back then, even if Terran could be considered OP, the games were usually not as one-sided as they are now. Or do you deny that?

What i said there was 100% fact. Try this, go to the GSL page where they list the players who have come in the top 4 in the GSL. It's terran who has much more variety than the other 2 races. This isn't me saying they are overpowered, it just so happens that they are the players who performed well. I just don't understand where this argument came from that terran rely on only a few players to win (i.e taeja and MVP) when historically they are the race that has most bucked this trend.

I don't think the meta-game is one sided now at all so i'm not sure what exactly you're getting at. Terran is performing worse against zerg overall but there has been plenty of competitive games just as there was when terran was winning. I don't think balance is bad now at all. If anything the big issue is more the way certain matchups play out (namely PvZ) and certain units making the meta game a little bit stale.

Do you honestly not see that Zergs overwhelming crush Terrans (when they win) almost all the time? I'm talking about how each individual games play out - it wasn't as one sided as it is currently.

And what people say about Taeja and MVP also seem to be factual.

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I'm sure you'll be watching some tourneys, maybe dreamhack that is playing right now. Keep an eye on ZvTs and how things play out.. then again, foreign Zergs beating korean Terrans shouldn't be treated as an indication of balance. But whatever, let's see how it goes.

ElBlanco

Australia140 Posts

November 23 2012 15:24 GMT

#942

On November 24 2012 00:11 plogamer wrote:

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On November 24 2012 00:06 ElBlanco wrote:

On November 23 2012 23:52 plogamer wrote:

On November 23 2012 23:24 ElBlanco wrote:

On November 23 2012 23:03 plogamer wrote:

On November 23 2012 23:00 Ghanburighan wrote:

On November 23 2012 22:49 ElBlanco wrote:

On September 05 2012 18:05 Ghanburighan wrote:

On September 05 2012 09:36 blade55555 wrote:

On September 05 2012 09:34 OpTiKDream wrote:
Either way blizzard reconsidered their thoughts about buffing raven + tumor nerf. This should be closed now since the changes wont occur anyways.

Ya all this thread is now is a QQ thread and I do agree changes aren't happening anymore, and hots beta is ~~going to be~~ out ~~soon~~ anyway.

If anything zerg and protoss are the ones who have historically relied on a handful of players to hold the race up.

Add the fact that back then, even if Terran could be considered OP, the games were usually not as one-sided as they are now. Or do you deny that?

Well yes i disagree with that premise and it's almost impossible to prove either way without citing specific examples. The Taeja/MVP stuff is not factual, you just ignored what i said regarding it. It especially makes no sense in light of what is happening in the GSL this season.

I think it's a silly point anyway. Terran also seem to crush protoss whenever they win (have you been watching code A?). That tends to be the nature of SC2, things tend to snowball and it ends up with one side getting crushed. This isn't really exclusive to one matchup.

Again though the issue shouldn't be so much about balance but rather the effect that the infestor has on the matchup and on SC2 in general and how that can be fixed (the raven buff is no the answer imo).

Edit:Can't watch the tournaments on now unfortunately. I'm on night duty at the hospital at 2 in the morning lol. Shame as i was looking forward to it.

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