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SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
August 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#401
Good thing protoss didn't make mass immortal or anything...
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
August 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#402
On August 14 2012 11:23 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:21 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
I was hoping Blizzard would actually go back to their original plan and just remove the Thor, add Anti-Air missiles to the Warhound.


That would make it the goliath.

Viking is the new goliath.


Yeah, my love for the Goliath is unparalleled. I miss them so
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
August 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#403
On August 14 2012 10:53 nAgeDitto wrote:
Not that exciting, Mech in the video feels like its not really 'mech'. Battle helions/ Warhounds give too much of a support for the tanks that catching them off guard isnt really ' punishing enough.'


Although I was excited to see DaKim lose in a BR. (No hate to david, just noticed that it was the first time he lost... as far as I know)

lol Terran must be super OP then =P
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
August 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#404
On August 14 2012 11:22 Captain Peabody wrote:
Gentlemen...I realize that you are underwhelmed by a Battle Report featuring (essentially) terrible, one-dimensional play from both players. Nevertheless, in the face of about a hundred different comments about how (whatever HotS unit) is dumb, overpowered, underpowered, etc, allow me to remind you...

You do not know these things. You have just watched the equivalent of a pre-Beta HotS game involving Gold-level players. I cannot tell you how many comments I saw (and made) during the Alpha, Beta, and so on of SC2 about how useless/stupid/dumb/retarded every single WoL unit was...and most of them were, in retrospect, simply nonsensical.

So please, keep your opinions and state them, but be very prepared to change your mind completely on everything once Beta hits, and for the love of Pete do not let these instant reactions completely determine your opinion of every unit before you've actually tried them or seen them used competently.

Thank you.


Things are the way they are now BECAUSE people identified problems and helped Blizzard fix them.

I will say with 100% confidence that if no one was allowed to talk about the Tempest, you would see the game go on store shelves with it doing piss-poor damage and being a strict downgrade from the carrier in every respect. Because it's an extremely obvious bad design, it won't end up that way.

Whether we do/don't "know" things isn't important, because they want our feedback and they're begging us for it with these idiotic displays.
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
August 14 2012 02:25 GMT
#405
On August 14 2012 11:04 VPCursed wrote:
can people calm the fuck down and wait for beta to launch? Everyone seems to be jumping the gun on balance atm.. we don't know how things will play out when professionals get their hands on the game


Not sure why people make comments like this. This is a alpha-video, about a game in alpha-state, and we are talking in the alpha-thread.

They want us to complain/comment, so they know what the mass majority doesn't like. It's very important in my opinion.

As for the 'wait for pros comment' They definitely gear the game 50/50 split between the top player and the worst. I'm against it, but browder has stated this so many times dude.

Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 14 2012 02:25 GMT
#406
A few things

1. How can Day9 say shit like "the terran's macro is impeccable" and still take himself seriously.

2. The haywire missile is one of the dumbest abilities I've seen. It autocasts damage to mech units for free so you don't even have to target fire.
BeeNu
Profile Joined June 2011
615 Posts
August 14 2012 02:25 GMT
#407
HOTS is shaping up to be pure trash, I'm not excited about it at all.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
August 14 2012 02:25 GMT
#408
Now we know why carriers are removed: they would destroy the viability of mech because they could trade evenly/ahead against vikings.

Blizzard game design lol.
tpfkan
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
August 14 2012 02:26 GMT
#409
On August 14 2012 11:21 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
I was hoping Blizzard would actually go back to their original plan and just remove the Thor, add Anti-Air missiles to the Warhound.


But then they would be more than just an A-move unit, can't have that!
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
August 14 2012 02:26 GMT
#410
After seeing Taeja scan 9 observers the other day, the Tempest is going to be the most useless unit in the game at the top of competitive play. And Blizzard thinks the carrier wasn't used enough, hah.
Warpish
Profile Joined June 2011
834 Posts
August 14 2012 02:26 GMT
#411
I'm not impressed. All the new units look very ugly. I don't like the new rocks.

-It's hard to be impressed with the Oracle ablities. The cloaking should remain in the Mothership; it will be silly to see a Mothership cloaked by an Oracle.

-Mines that can also target air units. Seriously??

-I'm sorry, but the warhound is terribly ugly and poorly animated.

-Blizzard wants to encourage Mech versus Protoss and adds an unit like the ugly Tempest with that insane range. How many counters to tanks does this game needs?
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 14 2012 02:27 GMT
#412
Watching this BR was like watching two fat kids fighting over a cupcake. Just sad .
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
August 14 2012 02:27 GMT
#413
You can only have one mothership core? lame. I hate units where you can only make one of.
I will master Speshul Taktics.!
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
August 14 2012 02:28 GMT
#414
that tempest is completely worthless.
I've said it months ago and I still say it now.
moo...for DRG
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
August 14 2012 02:28 GMT
#415
i like how there's zero micro potential for any of the new units
Random2732
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada51 Posts
August 14 2012 02:28 GMT
#416
I think game looks great honestly. Reactor out 2 widow mines if you scout stargate and you can most likely nullify oracle.
Protoss should use a more zerg-esque style vs mech imo, with chargelot/stalker counterattacks, and Archon/storm/immortal tempest (just theory crafting) to deal with the mech +vikings. Of course itll all be changed long before release, but just my two cents
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 14 2012 02:28 GMT
#417
On August 14 2012 11:22 vandelayindustries wrote:
Does anyone else get the feeling Blizzard is trying to promote Stargate builds in HotS when—at least from what we're seeing so far—they aren't actually viable?


Yup, because Tempests are a gimmiky useless unit considering their current cost, dps, build time, and speed.

Oracles might actually be viable, but they are also extremely gimmiky and will likely have to be nerfed because good players using entombed will destroy anyone. Think of the timings you can hit off of two bases against Terran or Zerg if you can cut off their economy entirely every minute or so.
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
August 14 2012 02:28 GMT
#418
On August 14 2012 11:25 BeeNu wrote:
HOTS is shaping up to be pure trash, I'm not excited about it at all.


This is because 1.5 people, Dustin Browder, and I'm sure David Kim gets half the final input, HAVE THE ENTIRE FINAL SAY OVER EVERYTHING STARCRAFT 2. I don't care if Browder made some crap CnC game 12 years ago, well it lost to a superior one in Brood War. Who thought this guy was qualified enough for 3 starcraft 2 titles? It's insane how much power he has over this franchise.

I had to say it, but I honestly believe you could throw incontrol, day9, boxer, some other korean pros, into a room and they could give a way better game in a month with better units for both PROS and Newer players.

I know its just Alpha, long way to go, but I think the logic of the Tempest just makes me want to go so far away from this game.
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
August 14 2012 02:29 GMT
#419
Dustin Browder's
Every Flavour Rocks


The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 14 2012 02:29 GMT
#420
I believe the battle hellion transformation is going to be an upgrade from the tech lab. Maybe the Warhound missle attack too? Most likely yes.
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