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nemod
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden10 Posts
July 31 2012 01:13 GMT
#941
He needs a better team
GSL-Team maybe?
SK.MC & T1_By.Rain HWAITING
Kyrao
Profile Joined July 2010
United States161 Posts
July 31 2012 01:14 GMT
#942
On July 31 2012 10:12 Anncoulpable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.


Didn't DRG need a seed to get into Code S? It's been a long time, but if I remember correctly, he won a seed through an MLG. Not that DRG doesn't deserve Code S, but discounting Naniwa's achievements in Code S because of a seed is pretty lame.


You might be thinking about MC...
holypalaswe
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden28 Posts
July 31 2012 01:15 GMT
#943
No one seems to be thinking of SK in the talks about Naniwas next team.

SK recently dropped their CS 1.6 team so perhaps they got some money to spend.
dieselnerd
Profile Joined July 2012
United States42 Posts
July 31 2012 01:16 GMT
#944
On July 31 2012 06:23 The Final Boss wrote:
I guess IdrA was right in his Real Talk haha.

No, he wasn't.
I'm gonna lift the world today, you mind brah?
Gates
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada12 Posts
July 31 2012 01:17 GMT
#945
I don't think that he was seeded matters. Naniwa beat some great players and took DRG to five games. I don't think you can discount that based on how he was given his opportunity. It's what he did with it that matters.
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
July 31 2012 01:17 GMT
#946
On July 31 2012 09:27 Chargelot wrote:
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On July 31 2012 09:24 Greggle wrote:
Please no EG, please no EG, please no EG. I WANT TO KEEP BEING YOUR FAN NANIWA.

Said the guy with the SlayerS icon.


Slayers has been my favorite team since they lost to Zenex in the first team league. I'm not jumping ship just because they used JYP a couple of times in the team league.

I'm also not going to like EG just because JYP scored a few wins.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 31 2012 01:17 GMT
#947
On July 31 2012 10:12 Anncoulpable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.


Didn't DRG need a seed to get into Code S? It's been a long time, but if I remember correctly, he won a seed through an MLG. Not that DRG doesn't deserve Code S, but discounting Naniwa's achievements in Code S because of a seed is pretty lame.


Actually it proves the point. People are saying there are plenty of players capable of progressing far in Code S but aren't able to actually get there. DRG struggled to qualify for Code A and start his success in the individual leagues. His seed into Code S from his MLG results got him in there where he was able to perform well. If Naniwa never got a seed he wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Ro8 of Code S. Naniwa is a solid player but no one can say he's one of the best just because of two Ro8s.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
July 31 2012 01:18 GMT
#948
On July 31 2012 10:14 Kyrao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 10:12 Anncoulpable wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.


Didn't DRG need a seed to get into Code S? It's been a long time, but if I remember correctly, he won a seed through an MLG. Not that DRG doesn't deserve Code S, but discounting Naniwa's achievements in Code S because of a seed is pretty lame.


You might be thinking about MC...


No It was DRG who never made it past the qualifiers. He got invited into it.
MC got knocked out and got back with the MLG seed.

I think this is a good example of great players not being able to pass the qualifiers. Just because NaniWa didn't go through the qualifiers to get in doesn't mean he sucks. Especially since he's been the only foreigner in code S the last 2 seasons. Huk used to stay in Code S but not in the new format. When the format changed, Huk got knocked out of Code S. So really, the only foreigner to survive the new format is NaniWa. That should be a feat in itself.
Root4Root
dieselnerd
Profile Joined July 2012
United States42 Posts
July 31 2012 01:18 GMT
#949
On July 31 2012 10:14 Kyrao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 10:12 Anncoulpable wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.


Didn't DRG need a seed to get into Code S? It's been a long time, but if I remember correctly, he won a seed through an MLG. Not that DRG doesn't deserve Code S, but discounting Naniwa's achievements in Code S because of a seed is pretty lame.


You might be thinking about MC...

MC got a seed from placing second at MLG Orlando.
I'm gonna lift the world today, you mind brah?
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 31 2012 01:19 GMT
#950
On July 31 2012 09:56 ikh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.

considering he's 90% surely one of the five most valuable foreigner players in the whole sc2 scene, i find the latter part hard to believe. he's got some of the best face recognition, a well-known personality and best recent results (arguably best overall results) as a foreigner in korea.

oh and the first part is kind of hard to swallow as well unless you're suggesting code A is harder than code S these days, in which case i should really get back to watching code A games :o

The problem is, he almost runs out of team to join, well, at least high tier teams.

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2010-08 — 2010-11MyM
2010-11 — 2010-11Power Gaming
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2011-09 — 2011-12compLexity
2011-12 — 2012-07Quantic Gaming

There're SK and Fnatic left for him, and only SK makes sense.

ikh
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 01:34:07
July 31 2012 01:27 GMT
#951
^uhh, that's not really true.
On July 31 2012 10:11 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 09:56 ikh wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.

considering he's 90% surely one of the five most valuable foreigner players in the whole sc2 scene, i find the latter part hard to believe. he's some of the best face recognition, a well-known personality and best recent results (arguably best overall results) as a foreigner in korea.

oh and the first part is kind of hard to swallow as well unless you're suggesting code A is harder than code S these days, in which case i should really get back to watching code A games :o


Top 5 in terms of skill? Absolutely. Top 5 most valuable? Definitely not. He doesn't travel much to foreign tournaments. He does average/poorly when he does travel. He doesn't have that good of an attitude. He doesn't really stream. He doesn't cast or contribute to the community. And a hell of a lot of people hate him, pros and koreans included. Plus the cons involved when dishing out the money for a foreign player in the GSL when you are a foreign team with foreign sponsors.

Considering all of those factors, I'd say he's one of the least valuable top players out there. The only draw for him being the possibility of being the first foreigner to win a GSL, which would be rather huge for any team and sponsor, regardless of where the sponsors are located.

i guess you count value in a different way than i, let's just say half your arguments i would say work for him rather than against him. his antifans watch his games even more than his fans. from a business perspective a sc2 team is interested in booking players who are a) as famous as possible and b) as skilled as possible. naniwa is unarguably top tier in both of the two. "attitude", "contributions to community" and "likability" have fuck all to do in determining player $value and salaries at the end of the day.

i mean if i picked the four names in sc2 i figured were most valuable i'd say idra, huk, naniwa and stephano. if nani's one of the least valuable top players, whatever that means, where would he be placed? along with dimaga or kas or something? thorzain can show great games, but how many of the people watching them even know his name (i do) much less anything about what he's like behind the scenes? there are no other current foreigner top players with a combination of fame and results than nani and stephano, really (idra and huk are currently valued for their fame, not play)
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 31 2012 01:31 GMT
#952
On July 31 2012 10:18 dieselnerd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 10:14 Kyrao wrote:
On July 31 2012 10:12 Anncoulpable wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.


Didn't DRG need a seed to get into Code S? It's been a long time, but if I remember correctly, he won a seed through an MLG. Not that DRG doesn't deserve Code S, but discounting Naniwa's achievements in Code S because of a seed is pretty lame.


You might be thinking about MC...

MC got a seed from placing second at MLG Orlando.


Both of them got to Code S because of Seeding from last year's MLG-GSL exchange.
Someone call down the Thunder?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 31 2012 01:33 GMT
#953
Don't know why people are surprised

Naniwa's volatile personality + being a hot property

Good luck to him, I hope he settles down on some team for more than a few months
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MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
July 31 2012 01:34 GMT
#954
ST_NaniWa
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
July 31 2012 01:35 GMT
#955
SK.Naniwa. a team where he doesn't have to deal with people, seems like the best team for him

wish you the best of luck johan!
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
DarkPie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States42 Posts
July 31 2012 01:36 GMT
#956
Naniwa is already in a team, a new team, see here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357046
Huk, Trump, Rain, Maru, TLO ^^.
Angelavenger
Profile Joined March 2012
United States59 Posts
July 31 2012 01:39 GMT
#957
I just think it sucks that he doesn't stick with a team through the contract when they stuck with him even through the hard times. Not often you find a team willing to do that for you.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6668 Posts
July 31 2012 01:42 GMT
#958
On July 31 2012 10:36 DarkPie wrote:
Naniwa is already in a team, a new team, see here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357046

You have to be a troll o.O no way someone someone still thinks this is real O.o
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dieselnerd
Profile Joined July 2012
United States42 Posts
July 31 2012 01:42 GMT
#959
On July 31 2012 10:31 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 10:18 dieselnerd wrote:
On July 31 2012 10:14 Kyrao wrote:
On July 31 2012 10:12 Anncoulpable wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:51 speknek wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:20 Wingblade wrote:
On July 31 2012 09:19 Silentenigma wrote:
There is no way a korean team getting him instead of a random grandmaster korean player.There are too many talented players in korea teamless.He might be a star in foreign community but in korean community he is nothing special imo.


He finished top 8 in the GSL two seasons in a row. He's far better than some random grandmaster korean. That is impressive and far better than a majority of Koreans.

Except that if he wasn't a seeded foreigner, he would've never made it into / past the first round of code A

Wonder why he left, there can't be many teams interested in someone with his personality & history.


Didn't DRG need a seed to get into Code S? It's been a long time, but if I remember correctly, he won a seed through an MLG. Not that DRG doesn't deserve Code S, but discounting Naniwa's achievements in Code S because of a seed is pretty lame.


You might be thinking about MC...

MC got a seed from placing second at MLG Orlando.


Both of them got to Code S because of Seeding from last year's MLG-GSL exchange.
MC got his from placing second at Orlando.
I'm gonna lift the world today, you mind brah?
LeSioN
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
July 31 2012 01:43 GMT
#960
Hm who has the money for Naniwa? SK to be protoss war factory?
Someone needs to tell the truth, but it shouldn't be my job.
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