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Crank DOES NOT explain the MMA situation

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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 20:06:43
July 25 2012 04:24 GMT
#1
Mod Update

I talked to Crank about this situation, he said people have got it completely wrong.

He never commented on MMA. All the stuff about getting tired out of playing Starcraft II was about himself, not MMA.

Here's his comment:

"I only commented on my situation with the team. I wanted to say that I had lost some of my passion and become stressed out, so I wanted an opportunity to recharge.

The stuff between MMA and SlayerS hasn't been resolved yet, so I would be grateful if people didn't speculate so much or jump to conclusions. In any case, please support MMA.

Also, I will be streaming for the time being, but I would like to request that people refrain from asking questions about SlayerS. Thank you."


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Edit: What Crank said on chat was along the lines of "MMA say no want to play sc2" "but team say no". Please read this post knowing that language barriers can cause confusion and this is by no mean 100% correct. However, this is a situation that makes the most sense considering that it involves no sex scandals or physical violence, and seems like a reasonable thing that MMA might do considering his personality

On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA. He also kept saying "MMA good personality" which implies that the demotion was unrelated to anything malicious or physical and supports the "passion" explanation

If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.

Sorry for the lack of physical evidence. Hopefully the 300 viewers of his stream can corroborate this and maybe post a screenshot of the chat when he said this.

In regards to Crank changing his twitter: he said many times on his stream "no team" but this could have meant no team house as he was practicing in some secret location. However, someone asked him if he was on slayers and he responded with "no slayers".
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
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Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
July 25 2012 04:25 GMT
#2
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote:
On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.

If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.

WTF?! FINALLY SOME INFO?!

Source?
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 25 2012 04:26 GMT
#3
Did Crank give any details about his own status?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 25 2012 04:26 GMT
#4
this is still all rather vague, plus crank's english is hardly eloquent. i wouldn't put too much faith in this tbh
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Picklebread
Profile Joined June 2011
808 Posts
July 25 2012 04:26 GMT
#5
Poor guy. TvZ being imba must have really got to him :/

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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 25 2012 04:26 GMT
#6
On July 25 2012 13:25 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote:
On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.

If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.

WTF?! FINALLY SOME INFO?!

Source?


Well, crank was streaming today and people bothered him so much about it on chat that he gave somewhat of an explanation. Hopefully someone out there saved it with a screenshot
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
warcralft
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore609 Posts
July 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#7
Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little

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WhalesFromSpace
Profile Joined March 2012
390 Posts
July 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#8
On July 25 2012 13:25 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote:
On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.

If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.

WTF?! FINALLY SOME INFO?!

Source?

First sentence seems like the "source". I guess he was a viewer and the stream has yet to produce a VOD.
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Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
July 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#9
Well I see no reason to not trust crank's word. sounds reasonable to me.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#10
On July 25 2012 13:26 opterown wrote:
this is still all rather vague, plus crank's english is hardly eloquent. i wouldn't put too much faith in this tbh


I was on the chat and he kept saying "MMA good personality", which implies we shouldn't think MMA did anything malicious or physical, which lines up pretty well with this explanation
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
July 25 2012 04:28 GMT
#11
Good to know. Thanks for the heads up! Hopefully this will end all the speculation and lame jokes on the MMA demoted to B-team thread.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 25 2012 04:28 GMT
#12
On July 25 2012 13:25 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote:
On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.

If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.

WTF?! FINALLY SOME INFO?!

Source?

the source seems to be Crank lol
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 25 2012 04:28 GMT
#13
Crank's twitter was changed
Is his the same kind of deal?
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sugatooth
Profile Joined September 2011
United States52 Posts
July 25 2012 04:29 GMT
#14
MMA losing his passion? That makes me sad He was one of my favorites to watch (and meet in real life!).
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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 25 2012 04:29 GMT
#15
On July 25 2012 13:26 Bagration wrote:
Did Crank give any details about his own status?


This is where his english really confuses. He kept saying "no team" but we're not sure if that means no team house, because he was playing somewhere else, or if he really meant no team. Once, someone asked him if he's on slayers and he said "no slayers" but take that with a grain of salt
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 04:30:37
July 25 2012 04:29 GMT
#16
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/x3j5s/crank_explains_why_mma_was_demoted_to_b_team/

and

http://i.imgur.com/FPwxm.png
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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 25 2012 04:30 GMT
#17
On July 25 2012 13:29 opterown wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/x3j5s/crank_explains_why_mma_was_demoted_to_b_team/


yeah I saw that and since nobody seemed to be talking about it on TL, i decided to make the thread
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 04:32:18
July 25 2012 04:30 GMT
#18
Well, if he doesn't want to train like he's required to, then I guess it's logical for them to demote him.

You can't rely on the skills of someone who doesn't train as expected, particularly if he's your ace, since the captains/star players of any given team must always be on top of everything because they influence the rest of the team a lot.

Good decision, IMO, but when you do this you need to complement it with some sort of effort to get your player back on track, otherwise he'll just get progressively less motivated.
cozzE
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia357 Posts
July 25 2012 04:31 GMT
#19
Do you blame the guy? With that kind of multi-tasking/macro ability, you'd assume he'd be able to win long games but yeah at the moment T is anything but that. Just has to go for gimmicky timings.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 04:34:28
July 25 2012 04:32 GMT
#20
Guys, I was watching the stream. I think CranK's broken english is being misinterpreted here. Here is the VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/crank_829/b/326122545

I don't know when it is though.

Crank kept saying "MMA personality good" everytime someone would ask about MMA's situation.

He either meant Crank believes that MMA's mindset was fine when it came to practice (which is why he was upset when MMA was demoted, also rebelling and getting kicked out), or that he meant MMA was fine with his punishment now (personality may be a word for mindset)

Or... Crank just likes MMA's personality lol
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