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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
August 06 2012 16:22 GMT
#321
On August 07 2012 01:15 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 01:14 mango_destroyer wrote:
if your gonna include homestory cup of course TSL4 should count.


Its a live event you know for a fact players arnt cheating. How do you know players arnt cheating in TSL?

Because it's casted from replays!
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 06 2012 16:29 GMT
#322
sorry darkforce imma let you finish but nerchio is still the best in the world atm
IM & EG supporter
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
August 06 2012 16:33 GMT
#323
On August 07 2012 01:22 Andr3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 01:15 Benjamin99 wrote:
On August 07 2012 01:14 mango_destroyer wrote:
if your gonna include homestory cup of course TSL4 should count.


Its a live event you know for a fact players arnt cheating. How do you know players arnt cheating in TSL?

Because it's casted from replays!


lol?
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
August 06 2012 17:04 GMT
#324
TSL shouldn't count, if TSL counts so does EGMC and every other good online (team) league.
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 17:05:25
August 06 2012 17:04 GMT
#325
Did we use online tournaments before ? If no, then for the sake of consistency, we cannot include TSL. Or we can do it from the beginning with Iron Squid (Which had way more prestigious players), IPL 1 or 2, and NASL (Way more prize pool)

Either we do it from the beginning with those tournaments included or we skip online parts of those tournaments completely. We can't just include TSL out of bias and make an inconsistent exception.

Edit : I'd rather have online tournaments. But it's up to whoever wants to do the work to decide.
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
August 06 2012 17:13 GMT
#326
Shouldn't include online events. How stupid would it be if TSL4 counts but TSL3 didn't? Makes no sense.
LennoxPM
Profile Joined May 2012
Lithuania84 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 17:35:19
August 06 2012 17:24 GMT
#327
I just checked it out with online tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
October 2 2010:
Fruitdealer wins GSL Open Season 1 and is our First World Champion.

October 15 2010:
TOP defeats Fruitdealer in Brainbox StarCraft 2 Team Invitational.

October 16 2010:
Squirtle deafets TOP in Brainbox StarCraft 2 Team Invitational.
MC deafets Squirtle in Brainbox StarCraft 2 Team Invitational.

October 26 2010:
Nestea defeats MC in GSL Open Season 2.

November 18 2010:
Genius defeated Nestea in GOM TV All-Stars Invitational 2010.

November 20 2010:
Tester defeated Genius in GOM TV All-Stars Invitational 2010.

November 21 2010:
MarineKing defeated Tester in GOM TV All-Stars Invitational 2010.
Kyrix defeated MarineKing in GOM TV All-Stars Invitational 2010.

November 24 2010:
JSL defeated Kyrix in GSL Open Season 3.

November 29 2010:
HongUn defeated JSL in GSL Open Season 3.


December 9 2010:
Rain defeated HongUn in GSL Open Season 3.

December 18 2010:
MC defeats Rain in GSL Open Season 3.

January 13 2011:
MarineKing defeats MC in ZOTAC Team Invitational II.

January 16 2011:
TAiLS defeats MarineKing in ZOTAC Team Invitational II.

January 19 2011:
LosirA defeats TAiLS in ZOTAC Team Invitational II.
Noblesse defeats Losira in ZOTAC Team Invitational II.
YongHwa defeats Noblesse in ZOTAC Team Invitational II.

January 20 2011:
Check defeats YongHwa in ZOTAC Team Invitational II.

January 27 2011:
SangHo defeats Check in ZOTAC Team Invitational II.

February 9 2011:
July defeats SangHo in GSTL Feb 2011.

February 10 2011:
LosirA defeats July in GSTL Feb 2011.
Bomber defeats LosirA in GSTL Feb 2011.
Mvp defeats Bomber in GSTL Feb 2011.
Squirtle defeats Mvp in GSTL Feb 2011.
NesTea defeats Squirtle in GSTL Feb 2011.

February 26 2011:
San defeats NesTea in GSL March 2011 Code S.

March 12 2011:
MC defeats San in GSL March 2011 Code S.

March 22 2011:
MMA defeats MC in GSTL 2.

March 23 2011:
Bomber defeats MMA in GSTL 2.
Ryung defeats Bomber in GSTL 2.

March 24 2011:
Mvp defeats Ryung in GSTL 2.
MMA defeats Mvp in GSTL 2.

May 2 2011:
Bomber defeats MMA in GSL May 2011 Code A.

May 17 2011:
MC defeats Bomber in GSTL 3.

May 18 2011:
DongRaeGu defeats MC in GSTL 3.

May 19 2011:
MMA defeats DongRaeGu in GSTL 3.

June 14 2011:
Sage defeats MMA in LG Cinema 3D Special League.

June 16 2011:
sC defeats Sage in LG Cinema 3D Special League.

June 18 2011:
DongRaeGu defeats sC in LG Cinema 3D Special League.

July 31 2011:
Mvp defeats DongRaeGu in MLG Anaheim 2011.

August 5 2011:
Bomber defeats Mvp in GSTL Season 1.

August 23 2011:
Keen defeats Bomber in GSL August 2011 Code S.

August 30 2011:
Polt defeats Keen in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 5 2011:
TOP defeats Polt in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 10 2011:
Mvp defeats TOP in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 23 2011:
TAiLS defeats Mvp in GSTL Season 1.

September 27 2011:
Bischu defeats TAiLS in 2011 GCPL S2.

September 28 2011:
Gatored defeats Bischu in EG Masters Cup VI

October 2 2011:
Gun defeats Gatored in US Go4SC2 Final #12

GUN is THE REAL WORLD CHAMPION


So some random korean is unofficial world champion including online tournaments, he dont have any games in TLPD for almost a year. Atm hes champion for almost 300 days. Congratz to him!

#ninjaedit now we only need to redo it with every z33k and playhem cup as wel as GSL qualifiers
#ninjaedit2 obviously we cannot include online tournaments into UWC award
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 06 2012 17:26 GMT
#328
haha awesome :O
This is our town, scrub
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
August 06 2012 17:45 GMT
#329
Elfi was once world champion. That's all I needed to hear.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
August 06 2012 17:48 GMT
#330
For consistency's sake TSL4 shouldn't count, otherwise somewhere before Nerchio big online tournaments would have led to a completely different trail.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 18:11:49
August 06 2012 18:11 GMT
#331
So if Nerchio as the current "real" champion never plays in an eligible tournament again (because he does not qualify, retires, or chooses to not take part, etc.), he'll stay the champion indefinitely?
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
August 06 2012 18:12 GMT
#332
On August 07 2012 03:11 Proseat wrote:
So if Nerchio as the current "real" champion never plays in an eligible tournament again (because he does not qualify, retires, or chooses to not take part, etc.), he'll stay the champion indefinitely?

first Bonjwa of sc2.
Gogo Grubby.
jabberwockzerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States294 Posts
August 06 2012 18:16 GMT
#333
My Idea is for someone with more talent than I to mount a golden keyboard on some type of belt.
I put the money in the jacket, and the jacket on the kangaroo, and now he's hopping away!
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
August 06 2012 18:17 GMT
#334
For consistency I think everything online should not count. Nerchio is champ !
Brood War is forever
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
August 06 2012 18:29 GMT
#335
DarKForcE is the boss here.
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 06 2012 19:08 GMT
#336
Since we're arguing over whether or not TSL is prestigious or not, I've created a new Unofficial World Champion. Here, we only take into account the most prestigious of all tournaments: Starleagues! Therefore, only the GSL and OSL count. This is also known as the Koreans, Jinro, and HuK.

October 2, 2010
FruitDealer wins GSL Open Season 1 and is our First World Champion.

October 27, 2010
MarineKing defeats FruitDealer in GSL Open Season 2.

November 13, 2010
NesTea defeats MarineKing in GSL Open Season 2.

December 6, 2010
Rain defeats NesTea in GSL Open Season 3.

December 18, 2010
MC defeats Rain in GSL Open Season 3.

January 15, 2011
Jinro defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 24, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 29, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL January 2011 Code S.

February 22, 2011
July defeats Mvp in GSL March 2011 Code S.

March 19, 2011
MC defeats July in GSL March 2011 Code S.

April 5, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL World Championship.

April 9, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL World Championship.

May 6, 2011
Bomber defeats Mvp in GSL May 2011 Code A.

June 1, 2011
NesTea defeats Bomber in GSL Super Tournament.

June 9, 2011
TOP defeats NesTea in GSL Super Tournament.

June 13, 2011
Polt defeats TOP in GSL Super Tournament.

July 6, 2011
Killer defeats Polt in GSL July 2011 Code S.
HuK defeats Killer in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 13, 2011
MC defeats HuK in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 19, 2011
HongUn defeats MC in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 25, 2011
NesTea defeats HongUn in GSL July 2011 Code S.

August 9, 2011
MMA defeats NesTea in GSL August 2011 Code S.

August 23, 2011
Polt defeats MMA in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 5, 2011
TOP defeats Polt in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 10, 2011
Mvp defeats TOP in GSL August 2011 Code S.

October 22, 2011
MMA defeats Mvp in GSL October 2011 Code S.

November 23, 2011
Oz defeats MMA in GSL November 2011 Code S.

November 28, 2011
Jjakji defeats Oz in GSL November 2011 Code S.

January 9, 2012
GanZi defeats Jjakji in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 8, 2012
MC defeats GanZi in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 16, 2012
Genius defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 3, 2012
DongRaeGu defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 29, 2012
TheStC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

April 25, 2012
PartinG defeats TheStC in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

May 10, 2012
Mvp defeats PartinG in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

June 14, 2012
Genius defeats Mvp in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 4, 2012
Byun defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 16, 2012
Symbol defeats Byun in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.
DongRaeGu defeats Symbol in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.

July 19, 2012
MC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 27, 2012
Seed defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

Seed is your Unofficial World Champion!
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willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
August 06 2012 19:10 GMT
#337
On August 07 2012 04:08 Entirety wrote:
Since we're arguing over whether or not TSL is prestigious or not, I've created a new Unofficial World Champion. Here, we only take into account the most prestigious of all tournaments: Starleagues! Therefore, only the GSL and OSL count. This is also known as the Koreans, Jinro, and HuK.

October 2, 2010
FruitDealer wins GSL Open Season 1 and is our First World Champion.

October 27, 2010
MarineKing defeats FruitDealer in GSL Open Season 2.

November 13, 2010
NesTea defeats MarineKing in GSL Open Season 2.

December 6, 2010
Rain defeats NesTea in GSL Open Season 3.

December 18, 2010
MC defeats Rain in GSL Open Season 3.

January 15, 2011
Jinro defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 24, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 29, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL January 2011 Code S.

February 22, 2011
July defeats Mvp in GSL March 2011 Code S.

March 19, 2011
MC defeats July in GSL March 2011 Code S.

April 5, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL World Championship.

April 9, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL World Championship.

May 6, 2011
Bomber defeats Mvp in GSL May 2011 Code A.

June 1, 2011
NesTea defeats Bomber in GSL Super Tournament.

June 9, 2011
TOP defeats NesTea in GSL Super Tournament.

June 13, 2011
Polt defeats TOP in GSL Super Tournament.

July 6, 2011
Killer defeats Polt in GSL July 2011 Code S.
HuK defeats Killer in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 13, 2011
MC defeats HuK in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 19, 2011
HongUn defeats MC in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 25, 2011
NesTea defeats HongUn in GSL July 2011 Code S.

August 9, 2011
MMA defeats NesTea in GSL August 2011 Code S.

August 23, 2011
Polt defeats MMA in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 5, 2011
TOP defeats Polt in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 10, 2011
Mvp defeats TOP in GSL August 2011 Code S.

October 22, 2011
MMA defeats Mvp in GSL October 2011 Code S.

November 23, 2011
Oz defeats MMA in GSL November 2011 Code S.

November 28, 2011
Jjakji defeats Oz in GSL November 2011 Code S.

January 9, 2012
GanZi defeats Jjakji in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 8, 2012
MC defeats GanZi in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 16, 2012
Genius defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 3, 2012
DongRaeGu defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 29, 2012
TheStC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

April 25, 2012
PartinG defeats TheStC in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

May 10, 2012
Mvp defeats PartinG in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

June 14, 2012
Genius defeats Mvp in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 4, 2012
Byun defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 16, 2012
Symbol defeats Byun in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.
DongRaeGu defeats Symbol in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.

July 19, 2012
MC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 27, 2012
Seed defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

Seed is your Unofficial World Champion!


This makes more sense!
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
MepHiii
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland191 Posts
August 06 2012 19:17 GMT
#338
what happens if some random beats a good player and never again has a recorded live match
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
August 06 2012 19:34 GMT
#339
On August 07 2012 04:10 willoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 04:08 Entirety wrote:
Since we're arguing over whether or not TSL is prestigious or not, I've created a new Unofficial World Champion. Here, we only take into account the most prestigious of all tournaments: Starleagues! Therefore, only the GSL and OSL count. This is also known as the Koreans, Jinro, and HuK.

October 2, 2010
FruitDealer wins GSL Open Season 1 and is our First World Champion.

October 27, 2010
MarineKing defeats FruitDealer in GSL Open Season 2.

November 13, 2010
NesTea defeats MarineKing in GSL Open Season 2.

December 6, 2010
Rain defeats NesTea in GSL Open Season 3.

December 18, 2010
MC defeats Rain in GSL Open Season 3.

January 15, 2011
Jinro defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 24, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 29, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL January 2011 Code S.

February 22, 2011
July defeats Mvp in GSL March 2011 Code S.

March 19, 2011
MC defeats July in GSL March 2011 Code S.

April 5, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL World Championship.

April 9, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL World Championship.

May 6, 2011
Bomber defeats Mvp in GSL May 2011 Code A.

June 1, 2011
NesTea defeats Bomber in GSL Super Tournament.

June 9, 2011
TOP defeats NesTea in GSL Super Tournament.

June 13, 2011
Polt defeats TOP in GSL Super Tournament.

July 6, 2011
Killer defeats Polt in GSL July 2011 Code S.
HuK defeats Killer in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 13, 2011
MC defeats HuK in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 19, 2011
HongUn defeats MC in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 25, 2011
NesTea defeats HongUn in GSL July 2011 Code S.

August 9, 2011
MMA defeats NesTea in GSL August 2011 Code S.

August 23, 2011
Polt defeats MMA in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 5, 2011
TOP defeats Polt in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 10, 2011
Mvp defeats TOP in GSL August 2011 Code S.

October 22, 2011
MMA defeats Mvp in GSL October 2011 Code S.

November 23, 2011
Oz defeats MMA in GSL November 2011 Code S.

November 28, 2011
Jjakji defeats Oz in GSL November 2011 Code S.

January 9, 2012
GanZi defeats Jjakji in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 8, 2012
MC defeats GanZi in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 16, 2012
Genius defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 3, 2012
DongRaeGu defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 29, 2012
TheStC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

April 25, 2012
PartinG defeats TheStC in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

May 10, 2012
Mvp defeats PartinG in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

June 14, 2012
Genius defeats Mvp in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 4, 2012
Byun defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 16, 2012
Symbol defeats Byun in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.
DongRaeGu defeats Symbol in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.

July 19, 2012
MC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 27, 2012
Seed defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

Seed is your Unofficial World Champion!


This makes more sense!

This really just means that whoever won the GSL last, or the last winner of the OSL, is the current world champion. We can include this list as an aside (Maybe champion of Korea) but I feel pretty strongly that TSL from the Ro32 onward should be included into the UWC discussion.

Even though all my favorite players have long dropped out of TSL4, and even if they stayed we would never have the same awesome storylines that TSL3 had, for me it's one of the most important tournaments of the year. I think a few other people agree with me.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 19:49:27
August 06 2012 19:48 GMT
#340
On August 07 2012 04:34 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 04:10 willoc wrote:
On August 07 2012 04:08 Entirety wrote:
Since we're arguing over whether or not TSL is prestigious or not, I've created a new Unofficial World Champion. Here, we only take into account the most prestigious of all tournaments: Starleagues! Therefore, only the GSL and OSL count. This is also known as the Koreans, Jinro, and HuK.

October 2, 2010
FruitDealer wins GSL Open Season 1 and is our First World Champion.

October 27, 2010
MarineKing defeats FruitDealer in GSL Open Season 2.

November 13, 2010
NesTea defeats MarineKing in GSL Open Season 2.

December 6, 2010
Rain defeats NesTea in GSL Open Season 3.

December 18, 2010
MC defeats Rain in GSL Open Season 3.

January 15, 2011
Jinro defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 24, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL January 2011 Code S.

January 29, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL January 2011 Code S.

February 22, 2011
July defeats Mvp in GSL March 2011 Code S.

March 19, 2011
MC defeats July in GSL March 2011 Code S.

April 5, 2011
MarineKing defeats MC in GSL World Championship.

April 9, 2011
Mvp defeats MarineKing in GSL World Championship.

May 6, 2011
Bomber defeats Mvp in GSL May 2011 Code A.

June 1, 2011
NesTea defeats Bomber in GSL Super Tournament.

June 9, 2011
TOP defeats NesTea in GSL Super Tournament.

June 13, 2011
Polt defeats TOP in GSL Super Tournament.

July 6, 2011
Killer defeats Polt in GSL July 2011 Code S.
HuK defeats Killer in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 13, 2011
MC defeats HuK in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 19, 2011
HongUn defeats MC in GSL July 2011 Code S.

July 25, 2011
NesTea defeats HongUn in GSL July 2011 Code S.

August 9, 2011
MMA defeats NesTea in GSL August 2011 Code S.

August 23, 2011
Polt defeats MMA in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 5, 2011
TOP defeats Polt in GSL August 2011 Code S.

September 10, 2011
Mvp defeats TOP in GSL August 2011 Code S.

October 22, 2011
MMA defeats Mvp in GSL October 2011 Code S.

November 23, 2011
Oz defeats MMA in GSL November 2011 Code S.

November 28, 2011
Jjakji defeats Oz in GSL November 2011 Code S.

January 9, 2012
GanZi defeats Jjakji in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 8, 2012
MC defeats GanZi in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

February 16, 2012
Genius defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 3, 2012
DongRaeGu defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S.

March 29, 2012
TheStC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

April 25, 2012
PartinG defeats TheStC in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

May 10, 2012
Mvp defeats PartinG in GSL 2012 Season 2 Code S.

June 14, 2012
Genius defeats Mvp in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 4, 2012
Byun defeats Genius in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 16, 2012
Symbol defeats Byun in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.
DongRaeGu defeats Symbol in OSL 2012 Season 1 Non-Kespa Dual Tournament.

July 19, 2012
MC defeats DongRaeGu in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

July 27, 2012
Seed defeats MC in GSL 2012 Season 3 Code S.

Seed is your Unofficial World Champion!


This makes more sense!

This really just means that whoever won the GSL last, or the last winner of the OSL, is the current world champion. We can include this list as an aside (Maybe champion of Korea) but I feel pretty strongly that TSL from the Ro32 onward should be included into the UWC discussion.

Even though all my favorite players have long dropped out of TSL4, and even if they stayed we would never have the same awesome storylines that TSL3 had, for me it's one of the most important tournaments of the year. I think a few other people agree with me.


You can soothe yourself by the fact that TSL4 is included, just only the games occurring at "LAN"! It just doesn't work that certain online games count, because they're from a popular tournament hosted by a popular site, TSL does not have monopoly on important online games. As I've alread written it should either be pure LAN or LAN + all major online tournaments (IPL1/2, NASTL, EGMC, IPL TAC, TSL 3/4, and whatever I forgot).
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