In a new report, it's said that BoxeR may not return from injury until the release of Heart of the Swarm - and may switch to Protoss or Zerg along with it.
In a new interview conducted by gamechosun.co.kr's Siwoo Lee, SlayerS Founder and Captain BoxeR discusses his current state, and when we might see The Terran Emperor--so named for his innovative and dominating play as the human faction--return to action. "This is the longest break that I've had since my debut as a Starcraft player; it's been nice," said BoxeR, who has been competing professionally since 2000. "I might return at Heart of Swarm's release, or possibly sooner than that."
SlayerS coach Hong "Cella" Seung Pyo feels the Heart of the Swarm launch time frame might be the more appropriate one for a return. "Lately, he doesn't even play the game at all. I think that he will probably return with Heart of the Swarm."
"It seems like things are continuously getting worse for Terran. I might switch to either Protoss or Zerg," BoxeR said. When asked if he was serious in switching races, he said, "actually I am half joking and half serious, but there is no law requiring me to play only Terran forever. I think that being able to embrace other races easily is the one of the pros of Starcraft II."
The full translated interview can be read at the link above.
Boxer needs to come back. If not a Terran we better see some WhiteRa Likes micro. I can't seem play Zerg not enough micro involved for his play style IMO.
"It seems like things are continuously getting worse for Terran. I might switch to either Protoss or Zerg," BoxeR said. When asked if he was serious in switching races, he said, "actually I am half joking and half serious, but there is no law requiring me to play only Terran forever. I think that being able to embrace other races easily is the one of the pros of Starcraft II."
Wouldn't it be grand if he became the hope of terran again? I mean, they felt like the worst race in BW, and he comes along. When they feel like the worst race in late WoL/HotS, will he come and save them again? :D
Regardless, I don't think I care very much what race he is. Whatever he chooses will hopefully make him happy, and he'll show us great games and creativity with whatever race he chooses.
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
Same here... nearly had a fucking heart attack!
But on topic, The Protoss race will welcome the Emperor with open arms to our ranks!
If sc2 protoss is more similar to sc1 terran than sc2 terran is...i cannot help but understand, and genuinely support the decision (though it makes me hate blizzard for fucking up so bad with continuity). I want to see the players play at their best. Boxer is a Broodwar terran. he needs to play broodwar terran, even if that means playing sc2 protoss.
When boxer wants to switch races, something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Please buff terran or nerf zerg and toss blizzard. Seeing boxer playing anything other then terran will be heart breaking.
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
I had the exact same thought. I nearly dropped my water glass.
On June 26 2012 05:42 Robson13 wrote: Jessica tweeted about this saying that it was a lie I think
Yes, and she is full of it. I have more on this but it was not directly related to the story, so I did not add it in (in the GameSpot article). If it is pressing, I will talk about it.
You know what this is? It is the Gods of Starcraft Speaking. Terran needs to get a buff is what they are saying and I agree ^_^. I will never question Boxer. EVER
This is kind of a failure of Blizzard's to have a progamer like Boxer think that a race is better than the other enough that he is willing to switch. Regardless of the current balance, having progamers simply think that there is a lack of balance to such a degree is bad news.
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
Lol you know it. Thought exactly the same. Although the only switch that could crush me more would probably be "MarineKing switching to Protoss"... Boxer, the Terran Emperor :'(
This was actually shocking for me. BoxeR almost embodies all that is Terran, he is the incarnation of the race and he has represented it for well over a decade. Just the mere thought of him switching is incredibly troubling.
I hope he remains terran, though I'd still like him if he switched, it would just never be the same, it would not feel like the same BoxeR if he switched. It would also be a massive blow to Terrans if another one of its legends disappears.
Whatever he decides I'll forever honor the memory of the one true Terran Emperor BoxeR.
He won't, reminds me when he said he would switch to random if terran didn't get a buff a long time ago (and terran never got that buff and didn't need it )
On June 26 2012 05:40 morevox wrote: Terran is looking really strong in HOTS, that is, if the widow mine stays.
I dont think the widow mines are all that strong actually. It has great damage for sure and would probably cost as much but is currently on a 10 second (ingame) timer with a Big countdown icon ontop of the unit. its sooo easy to just split that 1 and be done with it. Also currently if u kill the unit that is holding the mine if doesn't go off at all.
No he wont. He just pressures Blizzard and adding fuel to balance discussion. Remember when Zerg was losing everything and only zerg actually winning something was Dimaga? He said in some interview that he could switch to terran because of balance - the same shit.
I think the probability of the race switch is very low, like any other player who complains about balance. He's trying to get some attention to blizzard favors his race, and he has better chance trying that than any of us. But blizzard will balance the game based on statistics, as they ever do. As long there are terran players winning matches in a reasonable percentage, nothing big will happen. If terrans lose almost all the games, or all terrans switch to other races, we can see a major change (I don't think so).
What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote: What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
the difference was they figured it out, and blizzards all mighty balance team barely interfered at all.
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
I know BoxeR can perform very well with either of the other two races however it's just sad to think that the emperor who i've watched destroy people with Terran for so many years years in BW and in SC2 might be switching He's the one that got me to play Terran in the first place back in BW. But, whatever he decides will be great and we all know it!
It seems like Jessica didn't agree with the initial news article:
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica Damn newsman!Boxer's comback is not decide.Stupid newsman make bad use.임요환 복귀, 군단의 심장 출시 이후? http://esports.gamechosun.co.kr/board/view.php … #SC2 #GSL #스타리그 #esports" 12:09 PM - 22 Jun 12 via Twitter for Android
It's frustrating for Terran but they're still having most players in Code S, more than any race! I hope he says this not because of balance issues that he thinks but because he wants to try just different races.
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote: What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
That bugs me because it's totally from a skewed view on things... + Show Spoiler +
i don't understand? there were what, 15 patches tops (balance wise and tweaks like 1.xx a/b/c) in BW total? Playing terran which gets nerfed all the time after doing just that, "being innovative", is pretty depressing, demoralizing. And spoon-fed? Terran has been nerfed (justifiably and debatably justifiably) since the very first balance patch in SC2 and we've seen some stupid buffs on the other end (trivial upgrade buff translates to "GEE protosses should get upgrades more", 5range queen says "build queens, acquire early-game advantage"). We see no such nudges on the Terran end - most everything that has been popular has been executed with what they were given, debatably better off than the other races but hey, your point was that Terrans haven't been innovative and i'm going to say what the fuck man.
And on boxer switching, I don't even know what to think about that.
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica Damn newsman!Boxer's comback is not decide.Stupid newsman make bad use.임요환 복귀, 군단의 심장 출시 이후? http://esports.gamechosun.co.kr/board/view.php … #SC2 #GSL #스타리그 #esports" 12:09 PM - 22 Jun 12 via Twitter for Android
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote: What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
How many times did the blizzard balancing team fuck things up in BW ?? There was one big patch in 2001 and then that's it. Nothing else changed, there wasn't anyone to force players to play this way or that way, the only thing that affected balance between 2001 and 2012 was the maps. Whenever they patch something, they're actually huting the pros, who play the game to earn their living. Also boxer actually switched from protoss to terran when they changed the imabalance with reaver shuttle play. You could drop the reaver, it would shoot instantly and then you could pick it up again in the blink of an eye. The very reason he's that famous is because he was winning with terran when every other pro was either zerg or toss. Some guy actually had an old poster from 2000 - 2001 i think, where there were no terrans at all. I remember seeing HOT forever and garimto on it; not sure tho.
On June 26 2012 06:34 Proseat wrote: It seems like Jessica didn't agree with the initial news article:
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica Damn newsman!Boxer's comback is not decide.Stupid newsman make bad use.임요환 복귀, 군단의 심장 출시 이후? http://esports.gamechosun.co.kr/board/view.php … #SC2 #GSL #스타리그 #esports" 12:09 PM - 22 Jun 12 via Twitter for Android
Lee Siwoo is one of the most respected korean esports journalists, I don't think he's lying or misquoting at all.
I spoke to him at length last night regarding the translation of this article and her comments afterwards - and he's not. The story and quotes are legit, and he is trying to write a follow-up blog regarding the Jessica incident in all of this.
There can't be a better sign that something is wrong with Terran if even the great Emperor himself wants to switch. Please BoxeR, you need to be Terran (even if I hate Terran :D )
On June 26 2012 05:24 Slasher wrote: he said, "actually I am half joking and half serious, but there is no law requiring me to play only Terran forever. "
And South Korea passes a law to require boxer to only play Terran forever.
On June 26 2012 05:50 GreyKnight wrote: Sounds like bullshit to me. Boxer isnt famous because hes the best, hes famous because he represents terran players. This is like career suicide
Well, he was the best at a certain point in time.
I'm sure Boxer will pull through. Before his heyday, Terran was considered weak which was why chose to use the race. I'm sure T's will think of something in time.
My gut reaction was "Umm whaaaaaaaa???" and my brain sort of seized up for a bit. But, you know, twelve years is a pretty freaking long time to play terran; if the Emperor wants to spice things up, if switching races gets him excited to keep playing, that's pretty awesome.
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote: What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
BoxeR got reavers nerfed, and switched because of the reaver nerf. The former's a half-lie, the latter's the full on truth. Just throwing it out there.
On June 26 2012 05:50 GreyKnight wrote: Sounds like bullshit to me. Boxer isnt famous because hes the best, hes famous because he represents terran players. This is like career suicide
Well, he was the best at a certain point in time.
I'm sure Boxer will pull through. Before his heyday, Terran was considered weak which was why chose to use the race. I'm sure T's will think of something in time.
Like what? All terrans are struggling. As in all.
Hopefully Blizzard fixes this mess and Boxer remains a Terran...
On June 26 2012 05:50 GreyKnight wrote: Sounds like bullshit to me. Boxer isnt famous because hes the best, hes famous because he represents terran players. This is like career suicide
Well, he was the best at a certain point in time.
I'm sure Boxer will pull through. Before his heyday, Terran was considered weak which was why chose to use the race. I'm sure T's will think of something in time.
Like what? All terrans are struggling. As in all.
Hopefully Blizzard fixes this mess and Boxer remains a Terran...
Yeah, I'm aware that all Terrans are struggling what with Mvp having 0% winrate in TvZ in practice while MKP has 10% winrate in practice. I'm just trying to be optimistic.
All P's struggled back in BW until the Bisu build after all. Then again, I'm too lazy to pull out stats or check if that's entirely accurate.
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote: What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
BoxeR got reavers nerfed, and switched because of the reaver nerf. The former's a half-lie, the latter's the full on truth. Just throwing it out there.
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote: What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
But for how long though? SC2 is different with BW, it's a fact that is needed to be accepted. The seriousness of a buff/nerf is significant magnified by a sheer number of competitive games that are being played nowaday. In BW, you can take 3 months to figure out, and it doesn't hurt that much because there were so few games and so few tournaments. But with current form of SC2 right now, 3 months mean HSC5, TSL4, MLG Summer Arena, Assembly Summer, MLG Summer Championship, DH Valencia. That is almost $200,000 moving around, not counting various online cups. What was the last time Terran win a Playhem? Even back in the Zerg Dark Age, we still have Nestea and the online ladder DRG whose best MU is ZvT. Nowaday, you don't see any Terran confidently claiming that TvZ is his best MU anymore.
This is not about BW/SC2 alone, this is a mere simple problem that will happen to any populated community. Problem will always be magnified and need a different method to deal with other than letting it deal with itself.
really not surprised. hots looks terrible for terran as the weakness of terran late game hasn't been addressed while the other races got more late game options. If anything the new terran units will be used for one and two base all ins from which blizzard will have to nerf them down to the point where they arent very good anymore.
Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.
In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.
Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?
I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.
Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T
I might switch to whatever race he switches to though
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.
In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.
Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?
I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.
Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T
I might switch to whatever race he switches to though
he wrote that he played terran because they were humans, I think.
Why is this turning into a Terran QQ thread? Pretty sure BoxeR has "half jokingly" been complaining about SC2 Terran forever, wasn't he one of those ultimatum guys ("nerf again and I'll switch!") back when that was in vogue back in year 1?
His break is going to be longer and he may switch. <- That's the news.
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote: What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?
I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.
BoxeR got reavers nerfed, and switched because of the reaver nerf. The former's a half-lie, the latter's the full on truth. Just throwing it out there.
well actually fair enough I didn't know that, this kinda changes alot from my standpoint. My BW knowledge...is limited to say the least
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.
In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.
Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?
I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.
Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T
I might switch to whatever race he switches to though
He himself stated he switched to Terran because he liked to harass and reavers got nerfed so he went to Terran instead. Not cause they're weak.
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.
In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.
Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?
I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.
Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T
I might switch to whatever race he switches to though
He himself stated he switched to Terran because he liked to harass and reavers got nerfed so he went to Terran instead. Not cause they're weak.
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.
In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.
Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?
I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.
Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T
I might switch to whatever race he switches to though
he wrote that he played terran because they were humans, I think.
if blizzard designed the game so counters aren't that big a deal, maybe imbalances can be lived with. but thats not the case, counters are everything in this game and it sucks because of that.
On June 26 2012 05:50 GreyKnight wrote: Sounds like bullshit to me. Boxer isnt famous because hes the best, hes famous because he represents terran players. This is like career suicide
Well, he was the best at a certain point in time.
I'm sure Boxer will pull through. Before his heyday, Terran was considered weak which was why chose to use the race. I'm sure T's will think of something in time.
Like what? All terrans are struggling. As in all.
Hopefully Blizzard fixes this mess and Boxer remains a Terran...
Yeah, I'm aware that all Terrans are struggling what with Mvp having 0% winrate in TvZ in practice while MKP has 10% winrate in practice. I'm just trying to be optimistic.
All P's struggled back in BW until the Bisu build after all. Then again, I'm too lazy to pull out stats or check if that's entirely accurate.
There was potential for P to actually beat Z though, great control by Grrr in his legendary match vs ZergLee demonstrated that a P army with excellent control is full well and capable of taking on a Z player late game. Not to mention most P's before Bisu were utilizing alot of gimmicky but potentially good Sair/Reaver/DT builds already, it's just that no one had ever pulled off a well executed and planned out forge expand into DT/Sair/Reaver play with excellent multitasking to boot.
There is no such hope for T right now against Z in WoL.
It doesn't matter what race he plays, everyone will still love watching him get on the stage and play. Stop complaining already. All I care about is his health, I hope he recovers well.
There's a lot more money on the line this time so it's kind of pointless to spend 5 months "figuring things out" when you could have reasonable success with another race. I'm pretty sure MVP would still be one of the best in code S no matter what race he played.
Either way I can't wait until he comes back. HOTS + Boxer will be a lot of fun.
honestly I don't think he will change. Playing the other two races is no walk in the park. Boxer is too engrained into the Terran path to learn how to creep spread or force field.
On June 26 2012 07:35 Seiferz wrote: There's a lot more money on the line this time so it's kind of pointless to spend 5 months "figuring things out" when you could have reasonable success with another race. I'm pretty sure MVP would still be one of the best in code S no matter what race he played.
Either way I can't wait until he comes back. HOTS + Boxer will be a lot of fun.
I personally think if Mvp did this GSL as Zerg he'd win it.
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
THANK GOD lol
Ya fuck lol, that'd be so fucked up of Boxer to actually do that
On June 26 2012 07:35 kyllinghest wrote: He won't swtich, the terran music is too good.
LOL you're right ^^
When you play in tournaments, you have to listen to the game music right? Terran is way better. It's more relaxing too I think... p and z music is ominous/dangerous sounding X)
Honestly I don't think he will switch neither. Maybe he just wanted to express this idea again just to see what the fans' reactions are like. Maybe if a lot of people are accepting he will truly think about switching. If people are against it, he may just stay.
There is only one Emperor of Terran so i don't think he will switch. He once said
I don't believe in superstitions but i did feel that there was something special about the nickname "Emperor of Terran" that was given to me. Though I regulary practice over then hours and my entire body feels like it will melt down, I hold myself up, thinking "I should live up to that name."
So in the interview he might be expressing his frustration from the recent events like MKP,MMA,MVP did.
BoxeR, you were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Protoss and Zerg, not join them! Bring balance to the game, not leave it in darkness!
Not really a fan of picking at rumor and whispers about the emperor of starcraft. no matter how good he is, he is a living legend. whatever he does will be fine but I'm not going to take every rumor and write out the usual hyperboles.
On June 26 2012 06:34 Proseat wrote: It seems like Jessica didn't agree with the initial news article:
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica Damn newsman!Boxer's comback is not decide.Stupid newsman make bad use.임요환 복귀, 군단의 심장 출시 이후? http://esports.gamechosun.co.kr/board/view.php … #SC2 #GSL #스타리그 #esports" 12:09 PM - 22 Jun 12 via Twitter for Android
Lee Siwoo is one of the most respected korean esports journalists, I don't think he's lying or misquoting at all.
I spoke to him at length last night regarding the translation of this article and her comments afterwards - and he's not. The story and quotes are legit, and he is trying to write a follow-up blog regarding the Jessica incident in all of this.
Can you elaborate on this story at all? Why is Jessica trying to deny everything stated in the article? Doesn't seem like it would be a big deal announcing Boxers return. She's always full of drama =\
I remember boxer saying he is going to switch during one of the earlier open season GSLs. This is nothing new. He has always been saying that terrans are UP, even when they were tearing up the GSLs.
I don't think it would be wise for him to switch in the long run. Playing terran allowed him to rely more on strategy and tricks rather than trying to match mechanics with up-and-comers. I fear he would fall out of the GSL entirely if he were forced to win almost every game on mostly mechanics with Protoss or Zerg (particularly mirrors).
This is exactly what he needs to refocus his passion. Can anyone else begin to imagine what outrageous amounts of focused passion can do for Zerg or Terran? Remember MLG Anaheim 2011? Picture that but with Zerg or Protoss.
Unstoppable.
It'd be pretty cool if he did Zerg for HOTS, Protoss for LOTV. Then Slayers will have been t-focused, z-focused, and p-focused. Best all around team, much?
On June 26 2012 08:47 Dakure wrote: This is exactly what he needs to refocus his passion. Can anyone else begin to imagine what outrageous amounts of focused passion can do for Zerg or Terran? Remember MLG Anaheim 2011? Picture that but with Zerg or Protoss.
Unstoppable.
It'd be pretty cool if he did Zerg for HOTS, Protoss for LOTV. Then Slayers will have been t-focused, z-focused, and p-focused. Best all around team, much?
Don't worry. If Terran keeps everything we saw in HotS, he will stay terran.
Terran doesn't need a buff. They need an innovation like what Destiny and Stephano did for zergs with the heavy Infestor play. From what I've seen in HoTS he should stay terran. They are getting all the cool toys
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
On June 26 2012 05:28 BWalma wrote: Boxer needs to come back. If not a Terran we better see some WhiteRa Likes micro. I can't seem play Zerg not enough micro involved for his play style IMO.
That's the exact mentality that caused most Zergs to lose games, 1A everything.
although I know BoxeR has originally started playing Protoss it would just break my heart to see the emperor switching races I miss his play so much and hope, he will make his comeback before HotS :/ This guy is totally missing in this community (as an active player)!!!
Wait when was boxer injured??? I knew he hasn't been playing in a while but i didn't know it was because of an injury. In that case, if he switches because of that same injury, it will probably be to protoss because they are the most lax on your hands and wrists
Was terran OP? Yes. Is nerfing every single unit (I think only the raven, banshee, and viking haven't been touched... I know marines marauders reapers ghosts hellions tanks thors medivacs (with the follow/load change) battlecruisers bunkers have been...) it's disheartening.
If he switched races it would be Protoss because strategically it would suit him far more than Zerg which leads me to believe he will switch to Z if anything.
But.. but.. Boxer is like the one player in Starcraft that I feel *can't* race switch.. When you think of Terran you think of BoxeR and vice-versa.. he's more closely tied to the race than even marines are.
This would be an unusual sight to see. I guess if not terran I would prefer to see him as toss. In the meantime I'll just cross my fingers and hope its just high profile balance whine.
I don't see much of a problem with the Emperor switching to a race that fits his style and comfortability more than Terran. As long as we see more of Boxer, I'm a happy person. But it does seem strange seeing the player who basically made Terran the race it is today switch, when his name is synonymous with Terran :/
Switching would actually be a really good idea for him at this point in his career. The other races are a lot less demanding, especially on the highest level. As long as MKP doesn't switch, Blizzard will keep nerfing Terran.
I'd say he should do zerg. My Grandma beat my Terran with Zerg last night, and she's been dead for a year.
On June 26 2012 08:42 lorestarcraft wrote: Terran is getting a lot of good stuff.. I really don't understand this reasoning.
Are you fucking retarded? What are the "good stuff" that Terran has got lately?
It pisses me off when protosses and zergs are telling Terrans to "give it a little time" and/or figure out a new strategy. Nobody ever told zergs to adapt thier strategy to the ghost in TvZ late game. You just started complaining about it and ghost was nerfed. Same with protosses complaining about the emp radius. Terran complain about storm but blizzard isn't doing shit.
That's a tad grim--what happened to Boxer's competitive spirit? I still remember he chose Terran in BW because it was perceived to be the weakest race and he wanted to show everyone how strong it could be.
Slayers, Prime, MVP - the last bastions of hope for Terran. Whether or not this is high profile balance whine, it does show the current state for Terran players.
Unfortunately the situation in HOTS doesn't bring much hope either. Terrans get a few A-Move factory units, and a Widow Mine that seems too much of a hit or a miss type of gimmick. Zergs get Stimmed movement Hydras, Vipers - Defiler v2. Protoss addresses some issues with harassment.
this really reads more like a joke/comment on balance than something that will happen.
while it surely could I don't think it will Just like Flash talking about playing toss. I understand the impulse but I don't expect it. Bisu said in his sc2 interview that he understands he is expected to play protoss from his fans and I think most pros feel this way, especially on the level of boxer.
On June 26 2012 08:42 lorestarcraft wrote: Terran is getting a lot of good stuff.. I really don't understand this reasoning.
Are you fucking retarded? What are the "good stuff" that Terran has got lately?
It pisses me off when protosses and zergs are telling Terrans to "give it a little time" and/or figure out a new strategy. Nobody ever told zergs to adapt thier strategy to the ghost in TvZ late game. You just started complaining about it and ghost was nerfed. Same with protosses complaining about the emp radius. Terran complain about storm but blizzard isn't doing shit.
IQ's must of dropped recently. Storm has been nerfed bad, radius and KA upgrade ring a bell?
terran complain about voids blizz nerfs them (charge up rate, overall damage, speed upgrade) terran complains about 4 gate. nerfs 4 gate (warpgate upgrade, pylon radius, zealot/stalker build time) terran complains about chargelots blizz nerfs them (charge is used up even if they attack nothing)
Get off your terran high horse. All races complain and ALL the races have seen some kind of blizz response
On June 26 2012 08:42 lorestarcraft wrote: Terran is getting a lot of good stuff.. I really don't understand this reasoning.
Are you fucking retarded? What are the "good stuff" that Terran has got lately?
It pisses me off when protosses and zergs are telling Terrans to "give it a little time" and/or figure out a new strategy. Nobody ever told zergs to adapt thier strategy to the ghost in TvZ late game. You just started complaining about it and ghost was nerfed. Same with protosses complaining about the emp radius. Terran complain about storm but blizzard isn't doing shit.
IQ's must of dropped recently. Storm has been nerfed bad, radius and KA upgrade ring a bell?
terran complain about voids blizz nerfs them (charge up rate, overall damage, speed upgrade) terran complains about 4 gate. nerfs 4 gate (warpgate upgrade, pylon radius, zealot/stalker build time) terran complains about chargelots blizz nerfs them (charge is used up even if they attack nothing)
Get off your terran high horse. All races complain and ALL the races have seen some kind of blizz response
Only time terran had problems with voidrays was when they had 7 range in beta and wasn't it the zerg complaining about 4 gate? Also it was really easy to hold 4 gate with terran even before those nerfs, at least I don't remember having any problems defending 4 gate as terran. Also the last one... what? O_o
EDIT: I just remembered that most of those 4 gate nerfs were meant for PvP specifically. Which was basically about who was better at 4 gating long time ago.
On June 26 2012 13:09 SuperYo1000 wrote: terran complains about chargelots blizz nerfs them (charge is used up even if they attack nothing)
What? You have it exactly backwards. Chargelots used to just charge, and could be evaded, and then later Blizzard made it so that they're guaranteed a hit on anything that isn't already dead.
He won't win with Protoss or Zerg either, so don't see the big deal. The relevance of this article is whether he returns as a player or not... I say maybe it's time he retire for real. I'm sure he would be the best coach SlayerS could ever wish for.
Great now terran's can have a QQ about their race being too weak. so lame, atleast know you know what it feels like to be zerg or protoss for the last 2 years.
Let me get this straight... in the terran-centered expansion, terrans absolutely crush and dominate professional play so much so that pro players for the first six months of play literally say zerg is non-viable, and it takes tons of buffs and favorable map changes to get zerg back in the game. THEN, in the upcoming zerg-centered expansion, terran players start crying about raceswitching because they think zerg or toss will be better?
This is an indictment of blizzard. They seem to be using expansions to sell games by playing a shell game of race favoritism. It seems like Starcraft 2 won't be balanced until well after Legacy of the Void, or perhaps after LotV maybe they'll announce the development of SC3...
On June 26 2012 13:36 shmee wrote: Let me get this straight... in the terran-centered expansion, terrans absolutely crush and dominate professional play so much so that pro players for the first six months of play literally say zerg is non-viable, and it takes tons of buffs and favorable map changes to get zerg back in the game. THEN, in the upcoming zerg-centered expansion, terran players start crying about raceswitching because they think zerg or toss will be better?
This is an indictment of blizzard. They seem to be using expansions to sell games by playing a shell game of race favoritism. It seems like Starcraft 2 won't be balanced until well after Legacy of the Void, or perhaps after LotV maybe they'll announce the development of SC3...
What exactly is the point of whining about imbalance before it actually happens? You're just guessing.
On June 26 2012 13:36 shmee wrote: Let me get this straight... in the terran-centered expansion, terrans absolutely crush and dominate professional play so much so that pro players for the first six months of play literally say zerg is non-viable, and it takes tons of buffs and favorable map changes to get zerg back in the game. THEN, in the upcoming zerg-centered expansion, terran players start crying about raceswitching because they think zerg or toss will be better?
This is an indictment of blizzard. They seem to be using expansions to sell games by playing a shell game of race favoritism. It seems like Starcraft 2 won't be balanced until well after Legacy of the Void, or perhaps after LotV maybe they'll announce the development of SC3...
What exactly is the point of whining about imbalance before it actually happens? You're just guessing.
And this makes me any different from boxer because...?
On June 26 2012 08:42 lorestarcraft wrote: Terran is getting a lot of good stuff.. I really don't understand this reasoning.
Are you fucking retarded? What are the "good stuff" that Terran has got lately?
It pisses me off when protosses and zergs are telling Terrans to "give it a little time" and/or figure out a new strategy. Nobody ever told zergs to adapt thier strategy to the ghost in TvZ late game. You just started complaining about it and ghost was nerfed. Same with protosses complaining about the emp radius. Terran complain about storm but blizzard isn't doing shit.
IQ's must of dropped recently. Storm has been nerfed bad, radius and KA upgrade ring a bell?
terran complain about voids blizz nerfs them (charge up rate, overall damage, speed upgrade) terran complains about 4 gate. nerfs 4 gate (warpgate upgrade, pylon radius, zealot/stalker build time) terran complains about chargelots blizz nerfs them (charge is used up even if they attack nothing)
Get off your terran high horse. All races complain and ALL the races have seen some kind of blizz response
Only time terran had problems with voidrays was when they had 7 range in beta and wasn't it the zerg complaining about 4 gate? Also it was really easy to hold 4 gate with terran even before those nerfs, at least I don't remember having any problems defending 4 gate as terran. Also the last one... what? O_o
EDIT: I just remembered that most of those 4 gate nerfs were meant for PvP specifically. Which was basically about who was better at 4 gating long time ago.
For the 1st, Warp-In storms were an issue. Both races had to had to wait for the production time of the caster before they had access to the spell. Storm drops and instant-warp-in storm defence was ridiculous.
Although I may be wrong, I thought the Void-ray nerf had more to do with Stargate being used to deny Zergs 3rd more than anything. Terrans never really had that much of an issue with them.
Some of these points are as stated by others is just stretching it. 4 Gate was never complained about by Terrans, it was nerfed because PvP was a 4Gate fest.
And the Chargelot point..wat? It was a Buff to Protoss. Chargelots will always hit a fleeing target once, as long as it's not dead. I'm not sure where you get your facts from.
On June 26 2012 05:50 GreyKnight wrote: Sounds like bullshit to me. Boxer isnt famous because hes the best, hes famous because he represents terran players. This is like career suicide
Boxer makes so much money just from being BOXER, his career doesn't even need to exist anymore. He's such a celebrity he could live off of his endorsements for the rest of his life.
Still, what most people aren't mentioning, is that boxer is famous for being mannered. He doesn't complain, he innovates. He's the original mannerbear. When he makes a statement like this, you know the metagame needs fixing.
idk how to feel about this, Boxer rose to fame due to his heavy innovation, HotS seems to require some innovation for Terrans, which means Boxer needs to stay with Terran so he can rise up again!
On June 26 2012 14:50 inFeZa wrote: Dear god, The comments on that article. They went Further than Full Retard.
lol. I find it funny that gamers shit on eSports when they should be embracing it. I love the ones that say shit like "I play for fun and don't take games seriously" when so many people try hard and take games like Call of Duty, Halo, or Gears or War seriously on PSN or XBL.
On June 26 2012 08:42 lorestarcraft wrote: Terran is getting a lot of good stuff.. I really don't understand this reasoning.
Are you fucking retarded? What are the "good stuff" that Terran has got lately?
It pisses me off when protosses and zergs are telling Terrans to "give it a little time" and/or figure out a new strategy. Nobody ever told zergs to adapt thier strategy to the ghost in TvZ late game. You just started complaining about it and ghost was nerfed. Same with protosses complaining about the emp radius. Terran complain about storm but blizzard isn't doing shit.
IQ's must of dropped recently. Storm has been nerfed bad, radius and KA upgrade ring a bell?
terran complain about voids blizz nerfs them (charge up rate, overall damage, speed upgrade) terran complains about 4 gate. nerfs 4 gate (warpgate upgrade, pylon radius, zealot/stalker build time) terran complains about chargelots blizz nerfs them (charge is used up even if they attack nothing)
Get off your terran high horse. All races complain and ALL the races have seen some kind of blizz response
Your observation that IQs must have dropped recently is incredibly appropriate, particularly after reading your post. I am impressed by the level of self-awareness you possess!
It's very interesting to see BoxeR comment on the state of the game; it would be incredibly sad to see him switch races
On June 26 2012 05:28 BWalma wrote: Boxer needs to come back. If not a Terran we better see some WhiteRa Likes micro. I can't seem play Zerg not enough micro involved for his play style IMO.
Maybe you should watch TLO play Zerg then to see how to play with more micro.
yeah... this sounds like he wants blizzard to buff terran some... either way even if he switched to toss or zerg i would watch him play until he dies lol
Actually I think that HotS will fix terran and put it back again on even with the other races, at least make people whine less. Perhaps he can still change his mind and stay terran.
blizzard screwed up sc2 too much patching lol, but still boxer is a sook and whines when his not doing well. I remember towards the end of his bw career he seemed very bitter and said something about how replays ruined the game or creativity because it allowed other players to see each others builds
On June 26 2012 15:33 Adonminus wrote: Actually I think that HotS will fix terran and put it back again on even with the other races, at least make people whine less. Perhaps he can still change his mind and stay terran.
Terran late game and the duo of lackluster casters have not been addressed at all in HOTS. All we get are mid game units that will get nerfed if we start winning with them before late game (where blizzard generally wants games to go). Even in this state Dustin Browder is concerned with keeping the widow mine... God I hate that guy.
On June 26 2012 15:16 Haustka wrote: yeah... this sounds like he wants blizzard to buff terran some... either way even if he switched to toss or zerg i would watch him play until he dies lol
On June 26 2012 17:01 D4V3Z02 wrote: He didnt practice enough, has bad results, makes advertisements for LoL and now blames the balance. Boxer your pathetic.
You sure you're not talking about NaDa/Reach? I've yet to see Boxer do this.
On June 26 2012 17:01 D4V3Z02 wrote: He didnt practice enough, has bad results, makes advertisements for LoL and now blames the balance. Boxer your pathetic.
Fruitdealer cried about balance despite winning- first best player, the game was obviously broken. Nestea cried about balance despite winning- guy is so good that he can win with broken race. DRG- same as Nestea. MMA/MKP/MVP/Any other terran cries about balance- the game is balanced and terran abusers can't get anymore free wins.
On June 26 2012 17:01 D4V3Z02 wrote: He didnt practice enough, has bad results, makes advertisements for LoL and now blames the balance. Boxer your pathetic.
*nice post dude
ad hominem attacks to boxer is most likely a bannable offense on tl.net, and fyi the guy created one of the most succesful starcraft 2 teams by himself, had to deal with a broken back and shoulder, didnt advertise for LoL, and did get all the strat he worked day-in day-out nerfed. mb he of all people is allowed to get mad from time to time
Zerg doesn't seem like his style really, but it'd certainly be better than protoss. It would be great to see him pioneer a more aggressive micro-based zerg, but I don't think that could happen due to the way Zerg or SC2 is in general now.
What am i suppose to do with my super high APM and my fantastic multi tasking skills and mirco ability? the game only needs to control one hero and i can only do so much and own everyone. Maybe i can be wanking while still playing LoL and pawning noobs
On June 26 2012 17:48 gengka wrote: Just an idea if Boxer switches to LoL...
What am i suppose to do with my super high APM and my fantastic multi tasking skills and mirco ability? the game only needs to control one hero and i can only do so much and own everyone. Maybe i can be wanking while still playing LoL and pawning noobs
Your an idiot, LoL requires a differnet set of skills to be good at, skills that aren't easy to master as well.
On June 26 2012 17:01 D4V3Z02 wrote: He didnt practice enough, has bad results, makes advertisements for LoL and now blames the balance. Boxer your pathetic.
doesn't practice enough? are we talking about Boxer here or some other guy that you've mistaken for Boxer? has bad results? dude, he's 1) the most successful person in esports... like ever, 2) he's responsible for ACE and Slayers, 3) he's been playing professionally for 10+ years, 4) he's fucking Boxer. that's like saying... i don't even know.
pathetic? oh yeah, because you totally lived your dream, are continuing to live your dream, are adored by tens of thousands of people, have made hundreds of thousands of dollars doing what you love, played professionally in front of tens of thousands, married an actress, wrote a bestselling biography, met and did a commercial with SNSD, wake up every day to realize that you're the fucking Emperor.
jesus christ, now i feel pathetic just talking about the guy. but you know what the best thing is? Boxer is so fucking badass that just talking about him makes me less pathetic, in fact, just mentioning his name gives you pathetic-immunity. his fucking aura is enough for the whole world, bro.
i mean, i know you're trollin', but still. this is Lim Yo-Hwan we're talking about. do you have your own fucking wikipedia page? because Boxer does. do you have over 1 MILLION people in your fanclub? in fact, i just went to his wikipedia page, and did you know that he makes like $400,000/yr? i almost shit my pants when i read that.
17 months. he was the number 1 player for 17 months.
over 500 televised wins.
i would kneel at this man's feet and feel more honored for it. when was the last time someone knelt at your feet? but never fear, Boxer is so awesome that he makes even you more awesome. /rant.
On June 26 2012 17:01 D4V3Z02 wrote: He didnt practice enough, has bad results, makes advertisements for LoL and now blames the balance. Boxer your pathetic.
Clearly just trolling. Having a bad day ?
I dont think BoxeR will shift, he has too much 'automation in his brain/ natural talent' for Terran style.
Looking forward to his comeback with the other kespa players -sick times ahead. xD
On June 26 2012 17:48 gengka wrote: Just an idea if Boxer switches to LoL...
What am i suppose to do with my super high APM and my fantastic multi tasking skills and mirco ability? the game only needs to control one hero and i can only do so much and own everyone. Maybe i can be wanking while still playing LoL and pawning noobs
Your an idiot, LoL requires a differnet set of skills to be good at, skills that aren't easy to master as well.
Not really, it would be a huge waste. It would be like Daigo switching to Smash Bros (although Daigo is currently still a beast :p)
On June 26 2012 15:33 Adonminus wrote: Actually I think that HotS will fix terran and put it back again on even with the other races, at least make people whine less. Perhaps he can still change his mind and stay terran.
Terran late game and the duo of lackluster casters have not been addressed at all in HOTS. All we get are mid game units that will get nerfed if we start winning with them before late game (where blizzard generally wants games to go). Even in this state Dustin Browder is concerned with keeping the widow mine... God I hate that guy.
They gain mid game units which can be used in the lategame. Like widow mine is an exellent unit to kill expensive units in late game, they simply step into and explode. The warhound is exellent against armored units like ultralisks, colossus or thors which are all used late game. While the new hellion is designed to be the late game counter to chargelots.
Please Boxer, don't switch races! Obviously myself and many others would have our hearts broken if that did happen. While he did say it half jokingly, the key there is half.
On June 26 2012 18:05 We Are Here wrote: Your an idiot, LoL requires a differnet set of skills to be good at, skills that aren't easy to master as well.
Hopefully all three races are far more even by the time BoxeR comes back. I'll love him no matter what race he plays, but it just wouldn't feel right seeing him play anything other than Terran. If not then maybe we'll see some really awesome new strategies out of him in HoTS with either Zerg or Protoss.
On June 26 2012 17:01 D4V3Z02 wrote: He didnt practice enough, has bad results, makes advertisements for LoL and now blames the balance. Boxer your pathetic.
Fruitdealer cried about balance despite winning- first best player, the game was obviously broken. Nestea cried about balance despite winning- guy is so good that he can win with broken race. DRG- same as Nestea. MMA/MKP/MVP/Any other terran cries about balance- the game is balanced and terran abusers can't get anymore free wins.
You people are full of shit.
The difference is that the first ones cried about imbalance for more than a year (and they were right all along). The last, have just been crying for a month, and there aren't that many statistics to back up their claims yet. They have 11 months to go to be fair for P and Z.
well, I want boxer staying with terran, but If I have to choose between zerg or toss, I will choose toss for boxer, sc2 toss is in some way ¨similar¨ to bw terran and have more micro
On June 26 2012 19:05 Azzur wrote: If you can't beat them, join them!
If boxer does switch, I'll have to stop supporting him - especially if he plays protoss
why are u thinking that he is switching for balance issues? are u dumb man? hots isn't even released, he is free to switch as he said, and he isn't switching for stupid balance
All of the top terrans will switch, you can't win with Terran right now. Look at the tournaments: TSL3 only 1 terran qualified yet; Dreamhack - a ZvP fest; GSTL with 90% ZvZs...
On June 26 2012 19:22 Goetzinho ftw wrote: All of the top terrans will switch, you can't win with Terran right now. Look at the tournaments: TSL3 only 1 terran qualified yet; Dreamhack - a ZvP fest; GSTL with 90% ZvZs...
Sooner or later it will be ok. Terrans will once again innovate and if that doesn't work we will, for the first time in who knows how long, have a terran buff.
He said he was going to while ago, and Blizzard never patched anything; ... He's still Terran. Will he switch? No, he's just trying to rally everyone and get Blizzards attention.
Just like when IdrA lost to MorroW at the first IEM. There was a MASSIVE uproar against the reaper and terran in general, I believe it was patched within the coming week(s).
The reaper build/tactic was taught to MorroW by Dimaga himself the NIGHT PRIOR to the championship, in order to cause an uproar and show Blizzard how broken it was.
Boxer is trying the samething here by showing the world Terran is so weak that even the 'Emperor' of Terran is switching.
On June 26 2012 19:33 Smigi wrote: He said he was going to while ago, and Blizzard never patched anything; ... He's still Terran. Will he switch? No, he's just trying to rally everyone and get Blizzards attention.
Just like when IdrA lost to MorroW at the first IEM. There was a MASSIVE uproar against the reaper and terran in general, I believe it was patched within the coming week(s).
The reaper build/tactic was taught to MorroW by Dimaga himself the NIGHT PRIOR to the championship, in order to cause an uproar and show Blizzard how broken it was.
Boxer is trying the samething here by showing the world Terran is so weak that even the 'Emperor' of Terran is switching.
Convincing, we'll see if its a bluff soon enough.
nice story, but there isn't facts man, If he is going to switch because terran is so weak he would make another statement, not just is sc2 is easy to switch races, and I can switch if I want nobody can say me: NO!
Doesn't bother me as long as he starts dominating again. Though the sentiment to the change bothers me a bit. "Emperor of Terran" would have lost all meaning to me... T_T
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
probably a good decision, it will make sure he won't get injured again. And while its sad, i would look forward to the new zerg or toss tricks that would come out. Especially Zerg could need some progress in micro.
Every player is prone to threatening a race switch when times seem hard. BoxeR has done this before, and will most definitely do it again. I doubt he will go through with it though.
I like BoxeR, but he was bad as terran at sc2 and he will be bad as other race. Hes time just ended, he should understand it like NaDa and do a wise desicion to retire as player forever.
On June 26 2012 20:50 CrtBalorda wrote: If he switches races, all of esports might as well end.
Also boxer will lose all his fans...
I, for one, dont really blame him. It's pretty clear that David Kim and Dustin Browder just plain old hate terran. Even pros are starting to realize it. You have to put yourself in their shoes. They do this for a living so why not go with the race that gives them the best chance of making money?
Speaks pretty loud and clear if you ask me, I hope the devs see this thread.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a single pro player who has complained about the state of their race and has said that they might switch because of it, who actually did it...
So don't worry, he will stick with Terran
Also shame on those who use the Boxer's words to jump on any chance to complain about balance. =)
I think terrans right now need a hero; someone who really re-innovates the way terrans play other match ups. We need more than just a legacy(like Boxer) or a champion(like MVP or MKP). A brilliant strategist, like how Boxer and iloveOOV were for BW, but I don't feel it will be Boxer. Definitely not in the front seat of GSLs and MLGs at least. He's got a lot of experience, but he's getting older now.
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
Same here. Felt such a relief when seeing he will stay at SC2. Then a big shock again when I fully realized he might switch races! Damn, I don't want that to happen.
He'll lose all his fans. I for one look up to him for creative strategies as a terran player. I will no longer do so if he is P or Z. But I do understand his position as a profesionnal.
On June 26 2012 22:15 krell wrote: He'll lose all his fans. I for one look up to him for creative strategies as a terran player. I will no longer do so if he is P or Z. But I do understand his position as a profesionnal.
No he wont.. Maybe he will lose you, but not all his fans. What a rediculous thing to say.
Just wanted to add one thing about the comments on GameSpot regarding esports and competitive gaming. This is one of the main aspects I am working towards while at GameSpot. I am actively trying to sway misconceptions, inaccuracies and 'bad manner' from the general gaming audience to a more positive light regarding esports. Comments from fans of esports do help, as long as they've written in a constructive fashion and do not stoop down to a flame fest.
I along with the people at GameSpot trying to push eSports forward on the site appreciate it!
On June 26 2012 23:36 ceaRshaf wrote: Terrans are left without an Emperor. Do they embrace the greatly Marine King Prime?
We may lose our emperor but we'll always have our King (Flash).
Not to mention the prince (MMA) even if he is slumping a bit right now.
I wouldnt count on that. Pretty sure i heard Flash was considering switching if things dont look up for terran in HotS. And it doesnt look good for that seeing the videos they have released so far, but hopefully the beta manages to sort that. Not a fan of the whole race switiching thing. I picked terran because i like the race, not because they were doing well back in those crazy 5 rax reaper days
On June 26 2012 23:25 Slasher wrote: Just wanted to add one thing about the comments on GameSpot regarding esports and competitive gaming. This is one of the main aspects I am working towards while at GameSpot. I am actively trying to sway misconceptions, inaccuracies and 'bad manner' from the general gaming audience to a more positive light regarding esports. Comments from fans of esports do help, as long as they've written in a constructive fashion and do not stoop down to a flame fest.
I along with the people at GameSpot trying to push eSports forward on the site appreciate it!
Hah, gamespot is a lost cause simply by being one of the "video games review sites" where every piece of garbage from a huge publisher gets a high score. Sites like this always attract brain-dead fanboys who can't see further than their brand loyalty. I feel like trying to put some brain-cells into their heads is a lost cause.
Don't lose all hope! Trying hard to make sure that's not the case, as there will be much esports content to come in the future. I'm hoping the tide is swayed a bit from something like this.
On June 26 2012 23:36 ceaRshaf wrote: Terrans are left without an Emperor. Do they embrace the greatly Marine King Prime?
We may lose our emperor but we'll always have our King (Flash).
Not to mention the prince (MMA) even if he is slumping a bit right now.
MMA is the Prince.
Flash is the....God.
Don't mess things up again son.
What's MVP? The usurper?
Afaik: MMA: Prince Boxer: Emperor MarineKing: King Flash: God MVP: Game Genie Gumiho: Towel-terran Can't think of any more at the moment. To OP: Not fun, but I support my emperor wherever he takes me!
This has been mentioned plenty of times but I'll say it again, this is why blizzard has got to stop patching the game so frequently. In broodwar patches were rare and didn't change gameplay all that much, this kept the game the same and in the early days of zvt, t>z, so when savior came along he was a hero because he was able to beat terrans in that state. Same thing with Bisu and pvz. In sc2 when things get hard they just start sooking, forcing blizzard to do something, this makes it hard for there to be a sc2 'hero', so imo I think people should let it play out, I mean people are already sooking about HOTS balance already but we really do not know how that will play out.
On June 27 2012 18:26 We Are Here wrote: This has been mentioned plenty of times but I'll say it again, this is why blizzard has got to stop patching the game so frequently. In broodwar patches were rare and didn't change gameplay all that much, this kept the game the same and in the early days of zvt, t>z, so when savior came along he was a hero because he was able to beat terrans in that state. Same thing with Bisu and pvz. In sc2 when things get hard they just start sooking, forcing blizzard to do something, this makes it hard for there to be a sc2 'hero', so imo I think people should let it play out, I mean people are already sooking about HOTS balance already but we really do not know how that will play out.
Agree. They react to the balance issue too fast. This happen to both sc2 and diablo 3.
On June 27 2012 18:26 We Are Here wrote: This has been mentioned plenty of times but I'll say it again, this is why blizzard has got to stop patching the game so frequently. In broodwar patches were rare and didn't change gameplay all that much, this kept the game the same and in the early days of zvt, t>z, so when savior came along he was a hero because he was able to beat terrans in that state. Same thing with Bisu and pvz. In sc2 when things get hard they just start sooking, forcing blizzard to do something, this makes it hard for there to be a sc2 'hero', so imo I think people should let it play out, I mean people are already sooking about HOTS balance already but we really do not know how that will play out.
Agree. They react to the balance issue too fast. This happen to both sc2 and diablo 3.
To be fair, BW wasn't patched alot but SC Vanilla sure was.
On June 27 2012 18:26 We Are Here wrote: This has been mentioned plenty of times but I'll say it again, this is why blizzard has got to stop patching the game so frequently. In broodwar patches were rare and didn't change gameplay all that much, this kept the game the same and in the early days of zvt, t>z, so when savior came along he was a hero because he was able to beat terrans in that state. Same thing with Bisu and pvz. In sc2 when things get hard they just start sooking, forcing blizzard to do something, this makes it hard for there to be a sc2 'hero', so imo I think people should let it play out, I mean people are already sooking about HOTS balance already but we really do not know how that will play out.
Agree. They react to the balance issue too fast. This happen to both sc2 and diablo 3.
To be fair, BW wasn't patched alot but SC Vanilla sure was.
He won't find his nirvana there unfortunatly. I think he's just venting. There are issues w/ terran but nothing good players dont overcome when they play well. I just hate how they are forced to slow down and harrass Z&P before they get thier death ballsgoing. Zergs is virutally unbeatable when left alone. Protoss closer but still more powerful.
I don't even know what to make of this. Boxer can play whatever race he likes and he wont lose fans, but I'm concerned about what balance change this is going to cause to the game. Flash and Boxer calling for nerfs to the other races is huge, although what would they really be able to fix?
On June 26 2012 05:28 Gorlin wrote: Oh man, I saw "Boxer may switch to" on the side of TL and was so afraid it was going to say "to League of Legends" or something.
Exactly what I thought, was about to throw my computer out the window.
Terran were dominating so freaking hard for more than a year. So many TvT, everywhere. Protoss was winning a lot, for a month... Terran was QQ'ing hard. Zerg is now winning a lot... for a month : Terran is still QQ'ing super hard.
Why? I just don't get it. I will never get all the QQ'ing about balance, when, actually, the stats are showing that, while not perfect, the game never was that balanced before.
BTW, Boxer is saying that he was half joking and half serious. Obviously, he was joking about the balance part, but serious about switching race, simply because he feels like it. No way that he was serious about switching because of the balance... It's BOXER! The reason that he is Terran in the first place, is because Terran was weak during that time and he wanted to play the weakest race to show that he could still win everything with it...
On July 04 2012 08:06 Xalorian wrote: It's so funny actually...
Terran were dominating so freaking hard for more than a year. So many TvT, everywhere. Protoss was winning a lot, for a month... Terran was QQ'ing hard. Zerg is now winning a lot... for a month : Terran is still QQ'ing super hard.
Why? I just don't get it. I will never get all the QQ'ing about balance, when, actually, the stats are showing that, while not perfect, the game never was that balanced before.
BTW, Boxer is saying that he was half joking and half serious. Obviously, he was joking about the balance part, but serious about switching race, simply because he feels like it. No way that he was serious about switching because of the balance... It's BOXER! The reason that he is Terran in the first place, is because Terran was weak during that time and he wanted to play the weakest race to show that he could still win everything with it...
You are talking like other races never whined at all. And that is such a bullshit. Did everyone suddenly forget how much zergs were bitching at the beginning of WotL ? TL literally turned into b.net forum for a while. Same was when 1/1/1 appeared against protoss.
Every race whined and will whine, so stop specific race bashing due to whining.
On July 04 2012 08:06 Xalorian wrote: It's so funny actually...
Terran were dominating so freaking hard for more than a year. So many TvT, everywhere. Protoss was winning a lot, for a month... Terran was QQ'ing hard. Zerg is now winning a lot... for a month : Terran is still QQ'ing super hard.
Why? I just don't get it. I will never get all the QQ'ing about balance, when, actually, the stats are showing that, while not perfect, the game never was that balanced before.
BTW, Boxer is saying that he was half joking and half serious. Obviously, he was joking about the balance part, but serious about switching race, simply because he feels like it. No way that he was serious about switching because of the balance... It's BOXER! The reason that he is Terran in the first place, is because Terran was weak during that time and he wanted to play the weakest race to show that he could still win everything with it...
K i remember i read that boxer biography that was up a few years ago. He actually originally played protoss, then in one of the patches (i think it was 1.08?) he wanted to switch to terran cuz he said he didnt like the toss nerfs in that patch, not because he wanted to play with the weakest race D:
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Boxer ! Yeah !
