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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
June 21 2012 13:10 GMT
#21
mkp really frustrated over the zerg changes, cant say i blame him. Stupid patch
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 21 2012 13:10 GMT
#22
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 21 2012 13:12 GMT
#23
wow so much anti-z from mkp haha
thanks
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 13:25:47
June 21 2012 13:22 GMT
#24
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH, sure against a zerg but he won handily? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament also which again faults your "100% exaggeration" logic....

FoTG fighting!
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
June 21 2012 13:23 GMT
#25
Q: How do you feel about the recent state of TvZ?
A: It's the most unbalanced match-up in history, before the patch (my) TvZ win-rate was around 60%, now it's plummeted to 10%. I'm really lost, why did this happen, I've studied alot of counter zerg strategies, and I haven't found any solutions yet.
In hindsight it's (strategies) all like that game on metropolis, playing to the late-game and setting up the prefect defense all around, it's kind of a solution with out a solution. I
I've watched alot of zergs that do well on ladder's records, alot of people basically haven't lost to Terran in a whole week. It's basically impossible for a terran with the same skill level as the zerg to win. Unless you all-in, or the opponent's psyche collapses, or your luck is just too good, it's hard to win. Even in practice I don't want to play TvZ, I always lose.


that's when you realize that the patch is a stupid idea. at least to make 2 changes (one to help hold off all-ins, also from 3->5 rather than 3->4 then eventually ->5, and the other to SCOUT for the all-ins better)

zzz
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
June 21 2012 13:26 GMT
#26
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.


DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.

MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.

Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.

If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 21 2012 13:27 GMT
#27
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH, sure against a zerg but he won handily? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament also which again faults your "100% exaggeration" logic....



2 Zergs that lost to Terrans in this GSL + Show Spoiler +
Suhosin and Leenock
played some pretty horrendous TvZs...
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
June 21 2012 13:32 GMT
#28
I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 21 2012 13:34 GMT
#29
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote:
I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.


Code S is the only tournament where Terrans are doing well, every other tournament since the patch Terran has done awful.

https://p.twimg.com/Av0XvfuCMAAoMgC.jpg:large

A lot of the Zergs in Code S this season actually just played terrible games.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 13:42:20
June 21 2012 13:40 GMT
#30
On June 21 2012 22:26 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.


DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.

MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.

Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.

If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.


Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MKP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...

Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.


On June 21 2012 22:27 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH, sure against a zerg but he won handily? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament also which again faults your "100% exaggeration" logic....



2 Zergs that lost to Terrans in this GSL + Show Spoiler +
Suhosin and Leenock
played some pretty horrendous TvZs...


So what's your argument? People played bad games, no use of stats. Terran's didn't play phenomenal games either recently, and this is past the queen change... All subjective opinionated garbage.
FoTG fighting!
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 21 2012 13:41 GMT
#31
On June 21 2012 22:05 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 21:49 Caihead wrote:
On June 21 2012 21:48 storywriter wrote:
On June 21 2012 21:45 Caihead wrote:
If storywriter / other community translators don't mind I can translate new ones and put them in this thread too, usually up on plu.cn before it's up on here.

I dont mind :D


<3

Would be better if you made a separate thread for it though. Like for each group/day. Easier to sort out that way.


bleh but having like 10 threads up a month is pretty silly.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 21 2012 13:41 GMT
#32
On June 21 2012 22:40 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:26 xrapture wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.


DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.

MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.

Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.

If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.


Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MKP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...

Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.


Mvp won, not MKP
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 21 2012 13:42 GMT
#33
suddenly balance discussion
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 13:43:18
June 21 2012 13:42 GMT
#34
On June 21 2012 22:41 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:40 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:26 xrapture wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.


DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.

MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.

Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.

If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.


Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MVP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...

Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.


Mvp won, not MKP


You'll notice I say "MKP the recent GSL winner, and MKP starting a great 2012 season" obviously it was a misclick because MVP and MKP are rather similar. Thanks for sorting that out.
FoTG fighting!
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
June 21 2012 13:44 GMT
#35
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote:
I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.

I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 21 2012 13:45 GMT
#36
On June 21 2012 22:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:41 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:40 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:26 xrapture wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.


DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.

MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.

Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.

If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.


Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MVP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...

Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.


Mvp won, not MKP


You'll notice I say "MKP the recent GSL winner, and MKP starting a great 2012 season" obviously it was a misclick because MVP and MKP are rather similar. Thanks for sorting that out.


You made some good points in your post, I just helped you out making it accurate. No need for the snobby "obviously it was a misclick" remark.
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 13:48:34
June 21 2012 13:46 GMT
#37
On June 21 2012 22:45 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 22:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:41 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:40 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:26 xrapture wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:10 Sroobz wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...

Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.

That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?


It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh


Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....

Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.


DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.

MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.

Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.

If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.


Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MVP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...

Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.


Mvp won, not MKP


You'll notice I say "MKP the recent GSL winner, and MKP starting a great 2012 season" obviously it was a misclick because MVP and MKP are rather similar. Thanks for sorting that out.


You made some good points in your post, I just helped you out making it accurate. No need for the snobby "obviously it was a misclick" remark.


I'll be frank, I actually when messaging saw "Mvp won, not MKP" and for some reason someone quoting what you said, embarassingly it was me (though I didn't know) so I was more being a dick regarding the person (who doesn't exist) that quoted what you said.

On June 21 2012 22:44 canikizu wrote:
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On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote:
I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.

I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)


-.- Can you attempt to clarify your point, it's hard to read through all of your assumption based comments.

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NeMeSiS3
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Last Edited: 2012-06-21 13:48:47
June 21 2012 13:48 GMT
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Sc2Null
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United States3754 Posts
June 21 2012 13:48 GMT
#39
On June 21 2012 22:44 canikizu wrote:
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On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote:
I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.

I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)


I've watched all the games and pretty sure you are misinterpreting my comment. What I am saying is the queen buff is being blown out of proportion and being blamed for terrans playing silly, losing, then blaming the queens. I've learned not to take the communities reaction to heart when it comes to balance..i.e , the uproar caused by increasing the roach range from 3-4..that was a fun time.
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NeMeSiS3
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Canada2972 Posts
June 21 2012 13:49 GMT
#40
On June 21 2012 22:48 Sc2Null wrote:
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On June 21 2012 22:44 canikizu wrote:
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote:
I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.

I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)


I've watched all the games and pretty sure you are misinterpreting my comment. What I am saying is the queen buff is being blown out of proportion and being blamed for terrans playing silly, losing, then blaming the queens. I've learned not to take the communities reaction to heart when it comes to balance..i.e , the uproar caused by increasing the roach range from 3-4..that was a fun time.


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