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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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whiterabbit
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:51 pigmanbear wrote: By CatZ and Illusion's reasoning, I'm a hacker ... the only obvious thing is his scan on Shakuras before he's scouted spawns ... that is enough to make me think that streamcheat or hack is going on. Are you capable of hitting rank 1 on GM and playing in professional tournaments? Because that actually matters. A lot of the things like moving your army in horrible positions without any scouting or anything are possible at lower leagues, but at this level of play, it's just not likely. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:22 Spades wrote: Lol really, it was Artist, when did this ever happen. If anything people in the house would randomly say something during a game they were watching. I never had 2 monitors open and stream cheat or anything. Why would you say something stupid like that. So stupid. CatZ said on stream he knew it before Mihri posted it. So it is obviously something that was spoken about before. | ||
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Shaddar
675 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:51 SgtCoDFish wrote: If you're going to be a whistleblower for this (which would likely lead to the end of live-streamed showmatches or tournaments where the players weren't inhouse and bring in pure replay-casted games) could you please make a thread about it and detail it all? Agree, don't just throw serious accusations like that out there with no evidence, if it's legititimately happening then more detail/evidence would be nice | ||
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:51 pigmanbear wrote: By CatZ and Illusion's reasoning, I'm a hacker ... the only obvious thing is his scan on Shakuras before he's scouted spawns ... that is enough to make me think that streamcheat or hack is going on. Assuming you're a high level player, then yes, if you did exactly what Spades did, then by their standards you're a hacker. Catz and his crew dished out a lot of support for their claims, but a few of them I didn't find too convincing. However, the majority of the arguments were rather convincing. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:56 cArn- wrote: I didn't see everything I jumped in the middle of it, but all I saw was nothing you can rely on... The fact that they use that defense on Entombed when he moves his tank to siege after getting scanned gives me a pretty good idea of what kind of things they used to try to prove it... I saw some of Antiga and same, it was just basic guessing and some luck. People are just taking those claims for truth because some kind of known people are bored and "analyse" and explain why he hacks with confidence, that's all. Not surprised people buy it, it's easy to give too much credibility in this situation Did you see the scan + the camera locks? | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:54 veKtory wrote: Anyone backing Spades want to explain him pulling his Marines back on Emtombed without seeing the tanks siege? It's pretty typical to pull marines back in a TvT because auto assume their tanks are sieged. But that is me just attempting to voice a devil's advocate stance. I personally feel after the Catz+company CSI action, really really hard to say he was playing legit. | ||
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Crowned
United States368 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:56 cArn- wrote: I didn't see everything I jumped in the middle of it, but all I saw was nothing you can rely on... The fact that they use that defense on Entombed when he moves his tank to siege after getting scanned gives me a pretty good idea of what kind of things they used to try to prove it... I saw some of Antiga and same, it was just basic guessing and some luck. People are just taking those claims for truth because some kind of known people are bored and "analyse" and explain why he hacks with confidence, that's all. Not surprised people buy it, it's easy to give too much credibility in this situation and never ever looking into the fog of war during the showmatch? But always looking into it in the 50 ladder games? | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
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Scisyhp
United States200 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:34 listal wrote: it's unfortunate to see piles of circumstantial evidence piled up against a player be taken as concluding a player's guilt. it doesn't help that several respected players that were biased going into their investigation are presenting it to 4000 viewers. while some of what they are talking about is sketchy, an equal bit is actually ridiculous to outline as conclusive evidence. the damage has been done to Spades' reputation without actually having proven anything. this is sad to see. If you think there was only circumstantial evidence you need to pay more attention. | ||
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
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memcpy
United States459 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:54 Sideburn wrote: I'm not defending Spades. To be honest, if I had to put money on it, I would chalk it up to him hacking. This is based on him never checking the fog of war, his past history, and his questionable responses in this thread. That being said, the absolute bullshit going on on Catz stream and in this thread pisses me off nearly as much as his alleged hacking. Conjecture and suspicion can NEVER be taken as "concrete" evidence. You can certainly say that all of these things suggest his guilt, but Catz has just straight up declared he is hacking and you are a fucking retard if you disagree. People, pros included, are just frothing at the mouth to publicly crucify this guy. What if he was/is innocent? This whole incident would still ruin his career. This whole incident is intensely saddening for me, not because an insignificant pro is cheating, but because of the manner in which the community responded to it. I agree that the whole situation was handled pretty poorly but just curious, what do you propose should have been done to determine whether or not he is guilty? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Once a hacker, always a hacker. | ||
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Vathus
Canada404 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:55 ch33psh33p wrote: That siege on the cliff on Emtombed versus Lucifron? How can you possibly fucking explain that. That + the pull back from the 3rd to the main on tal'darim, the magic scans + never looking in fow, and the army movements on antiga. It seems blatant. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:43 WHyTePoWeR wrote: seems like he hacked based on never looking at fog, just doesnt add up Yep, that's just not possible for a high level player to pull off. Either he always looks through the fog to scan, rally, send units, whatever, or he always uses the minimap to do such things. In the show matches he was presumably using only the minimap (in other words, cheating) but in other replays he was playing normal. 100 percent he was cheating. | ||
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WHyTePoWeR
Korea (South)132 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:52 LgN.EijZrA wrote: Wait what? LOL LgN is not LG. You're thinking of LG, but those two members were removed. XD LOL my bad TT sorry about that | ||
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veKtory
233 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:56 CortoMontez wrote: Watch any GSL level TvT and pulling back units when only vikings are visible is a common occurance. Why did he stim to run after them in the first place and pull back for no reason then? | ||
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