EPTOn June 06 2012 02:09 DamageControL wrote:
did anyone ever do the sc2gears analysis?
did anyone ever do the sc2gears analysis?
Yes, afaik no conclusive evidence of maphacking was found.
[?] Spades hacking? - Page 170
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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Shimmer
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Yes, afaik no conclusive evidence of maphacking was found. | ||
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Roxor9999
Netherlands771 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:10 ZweiGaming wrote: Someone came up with a timeframe where spades wouldn't move camera and no selection was made. Though on SC2gears, it was saying something like select workers, mineral patch, etc. It was a while ago, probably yesterday. I'm not sure what happened with this since I just woke up. It was proven inconclusive it happens all the time. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:10 Felnarion wrote: Something interesting for me is that, if it were me being accused, I would be in this thread, quoting every post, and explaining my reasoning. I would be screaming if I were being thrown to the wolves like this. Instead we have what, one post from him explaining a handful of moves poorly and dismissively, Nope, he posted 109 replays of himself which proved he didn't hack at all. get owned. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:13 Mobsy wrote: Haha so funny, 6 or 7 pros now have said he hacked yet all you little kids still think you know the game better than the pros. Jesus, talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect! QFT its mindblowing people are still arguing about this. Its so obvious he cheated but I geuss people like to argue! | ||
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dark_dragoon10
United States299 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:13 Mobsy wrote: Haha so funny, 6 or 7 pros now have said he hacked yet all you little kids still think you know the game better than the pros. Jesus, talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect! Only a ruling by Boxer would suffice. | ||
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FuGGu
United States176 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:13 Mobsy wrote: Haha so funny, 6 or 7 pros now have said he hacked yet all you little kids still think you know the game better than the pros. Jesus, talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect! We are looking for solid numbers, not estimations and opinions. Or rather, they are. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:13 Mobsy wrote: Haha so funny, 6 or 7 pros now have said he hacked yet all you little kids still think you know the game better than the pros. Jesus, talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect! Yeah, we should be glad pro's post here still. P.S. And thanks for teaching me about D-K | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15391 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:16 FuGGu wrote: ....who really cares? Let this fiasco work itself out and stop freaking out, my god. Go ladder. Good point. The Starcraft high council, a formal, governing body that has been around for years, will figure this out for us. That authority totally exists. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:14 -UMADIMSTYLIN- wrote: He just said why, he doesn't feel the need to covince people his opinion is correct! he said why he doesn't want to do the point by point, i ask why he even bother voice his opinion as in a baseless opinion is worthless, and he should not have voiced it, read better. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:16 Psychobabas wrote: We are looking for solid numbers, not estimations and opinions. So you not even taking the top pro´s opinions in the NA scene into consideration, really? well then Its like trying to solve a murder case without the police then! | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:10 ZweiGaming wrote: Someone came up with a timeframe where spades wouldn't move camera and no selection was made. Though on SC2gears, it was saying something like select workers, mineral patch, etc. It was a while ago, probably yesterday. I'm not sure what happened with this since I just woke up. inconclusive, it seems sc2gears isn't as reliable as assumed | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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solidONE
United States160 Posts
On June 06 2012 01:57 PainUser wrote: I have watched all the replays and analyzed them quite closely. I believe Spades was cheating. This is coming from someone who did not know Spades was a previous hacker and a personal friend of his. I am dissapointed and irritated. We have had some great games in the past and it just makes me question the integrity of anything he has ever accomplished. I would imagine Spades is a good player without the hacks but I just don't know anymore. Nobody plays this way, there are far too many instances of fishy+screen freezes on last location. Not to mention the troop movement and scans are just out of this world fishy. In TvT, positioning is everything and he NEVER airs on the side of caution. There are too many blatantly risky troop movements on his part that you simply would not do without vision of your opponent. That is my two cents I don't care to go into too much detail because it is obvious to me. We need to clamp down on more of these situations especially with all the online tournaments and money floating around. Crazy to think about...... I appreciate you being open about your opinion, and I know how you said you're not invested enough into this to really take the time to break it down..but truly I urge you to do it. It's important to the community and we deserve people like you to help in these kinds of situations. I'm not saying it's like an obligation but we could really use your insight dude :| | ||
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:09 deathr0w wrote: Is anything actually going to be done about this>? Just curious His clan stated they might have to let him go regardless of the eventual "verdict". If he does get confirmed though, I wouldn't be surprised if every tourney blacklists him. | ||
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-UMADIMSTYLIN-
Cuba292 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:17 rei wrote: he said why he doesn't want to do the point by point, i ask why he even bother voice his opinion as in a baseless opinion is worthless, and he should not have voiced it, read better. ok sorry, relax guy! | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
On June 06 2012 00:06 Starshaped wrote: 09:50 on Cloud Kingdom. Or ~35 minutes in here http://www.twitch.tv/rootcatz/b/320407912 | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:06 sereniity wrote: If CatZ, a pro player, knows 100% better than anyone else, then why is he wrong about so many things in his video where he analyzes the replays? The thing that most people accusing spades of cheating does, including Catz, is listing a few suspicious things and then not mentioning ANYTHING that a maphacker wouldn't do, all the times Spades got dropped on etc, why don't they bring up that? It's disgusting biased shit that brings up nothing but a one-sided argument. because if you want to hack and not get caught you don't psychically shut down every single drop | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:17 Benjamin99 wrote: So you not even taking the top pro´s opinions in the NA scene into consideration, really? well then Its like trying to solve a murder case without the police then! Wrong analogy in my opinion. Not like that at all. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
how do you know i'm a guy? why so presumptuous? | ||
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