Imo, I don't actually think there is a definitive "Group of Death" this time. For the most part I think they're all pretty balanced this season. Yes, some are harder than others, and yes, group F will be fun to watch because of Parting and MarineKing, but for the most part I think they're all pretty close. Gonna be a lot of good matches this season for sure!

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

June 02 2012 16:37 GMT

#323

hope thorzain wont be yet another seeded player that falls right out.

The KY

United Kingdom6252 Posts

June 02 2012 16:57 GMT

#324

On June 03 2012 01:37 aintz wrote:
hope thorzain wont be yet another seeded player that falls right out.

In that group no one would blame him.

dextrin303

Sweden320 Posts

June 02 2012 16:59 GMT

#325

Omg PartinG vs Markineking will be soo epic ^.^ Can't wait for code s to start!!

hai2u

688 Posts

June 02 2012 17:00 GMT

#326

Parting v MKP best current SC2 rivalry

FrostedMiniWheats

United States30730 Posts

June 02 2012 17:33 GMT

#327

On June 03 2012 02:00 hai2u wrote:
Parting v MKP best current SC2 rivalry

Dunno, I like MMA vs DRG myself. :p

That one has been back and forth for months. Too bad MMA shit the bed recently so there's no hope of that this season D:

RimasOwn

Ireland34 Posts

June 02 2012 17:52 GMT

#328

THORZAIN FIGHTING !!

canikizu

4860 Posts

June 02 2012 17:59 GMT

#329

On June 03 2012 02:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:

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Dunno, I like MMA vs DRG myself. :p

That one has been back and forth for months. Too bad MMA shit the bed recently so there's no hope of that this season D:

The irony is DRG met MKP in more tournaments than MMA.

divinesage

Singapore649 Posts

June 02 2012 18:16 GMT

#330

Ganzi and MC again.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

June 02 2012 19:05 GMT

#331

Very excited for the NaNi Nestea rematch! May the best N win!

Warpath

Canada1242 Posts

June 02 2012 19:13 GMT

#332

looks like people are mistaking 'group of death' with 'which group has the best player'
group Fs outcome, barring upsets, is painfully obvious.

DidYuhim

Ukraine1905 Posts

June 02 2012 19:22 GMT

#333

Groups so far seem quite balanced, it's sort of tough to predict a group where 2 players are "sure to pass", it's 1 at best, and still, pretty close call.

Looking forward to it!

Roxor9999

Netherlands771 Posts

June 02 2012 20:29 GMT

#334

On June 03 2012 04:13 Warpath wrote:
looks like people are mistaking 'group of death' with 'which group has the best player'
group Fs outcome, barring upsets, is painfully obvious.

Not really.

eXigent.

Canada2419 Posts

June 02 2012 20:44 GMT

#335

Wow this looks awesome, both the naniwa / nestea and MKP / Parting rivalries will be great to watch!

vandelayindustries

United States290 Posts

June 02 2012 20:54 GMT

#336

So many good groups—GSL has been fantastic in 2012, I'm really impressed

NexUmbra

Scotland3776 Posts

June 02 2012 21:14 GMT

#337

This shows how stacked GSL has become

GuitarBizarre

United Kingdom332 Posts

June 02 2012 23:19 GMT

#338

On June 02 2012 09:57 thrawn1020 wrote:

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On June 02 2012 09:32 GuitarBizarre wrote:

On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote:
Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.

I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.

Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.

I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.

Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."

Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.

Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".

I'm looking for the part of that post where you actually made any points.

I can't find it.

What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)

As for "ZOMG GSL IS THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS" - Get off your high horse, really. A tournament is a tournament is a tournament. If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere. Does preparation time change the game some? Yes. Does it invalidate anything else? Fuck no.

I watch those other tournaments too. That's why I talk about the quality of the games. Nobody said those games were terrible but you. YOU were the one who said that Red Bull Battlegrounds and an MLG were the same, even though one has over 100 more players in it and a TON more recognition. And I did never say that anyone should not seek to make money off the game from some tournament if it is paying out. If MKP can go overseas and make better money than what he can do in a Preparation-based format, more power to him. I'd do the same in his position. But the best play in the world comes from the GSL. And that is the yardstick by which people are measured in terms of skill, like it or not. There is a reason foreigners _choose_ to play at the GSL. It is the MOST prestigious tournament on the planet, period. It is not about the money; it is about winning the toughest tournament in the world. People like Naniwa don't give a damn about winning an MLG because GSL exists and is a higher quality win. And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. Call me when MKP wins.

Feel free to disagree with me; I'll live. But I don't want to watch games where one side has to pull an all-nighter just to play a game live. Call me when the NASL is holding nightly events that I can fly to and attend on a regular basis, for free. It will happen; whether or not the NASL is the first one on this side of the ocean to do it is another matter. I'll be waiting; I'll definitely be watching if they can make that happen.

You started off talking about things I'd said, then you miraculously veered off into talking about completely unrelated things like prize money? And being able to fly to the tournament and get in for free? What the actual fuck are you smoking? There's no coherent train of thought in this entire damned post.

thrawn1020

United States32 Posts

June 02 2012 23:29 GMT

#339

Group A: The only person I'm sold on is Ghostking. I would expect Seed to be 3rd or 4th, but it's hard to say which.
Group B: Creator/Nestea, with Naniwa an outside chance. theSTC is on the outside looking in.
Group C: Gumiho/Squirtle, with Keen looking outmatched. I wish Thorzain the best.
Group D: MVP/Genius. Happy maybe with the surprise.
Group E: MC/Supernova, though I'm pulling for Sniper.
Group F: Symbol/MKP. It's a really tough group for Parting, and good luck to yugioh.
Group G: lots to say about this one. Will Maru come through? Will Violet perform well in this format?
Can DRG shake off an awful performance in Season 2? I believe so. DRG/Oz are the two picks, with Maru being the longshot
Group H: Is Ace going to perform as well as he did in the Up and Downs? He is definitely hard to predict. Maybe he has some new form. In this group, however, 3rd would be an upset.
Leenock/Ryung, with Taeja/Ryung being basically a coinflip between them.

Oh, and gun to my head, Hero in the second spot in Group A.