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SpecFire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1681 Posts
June 02 2012 00:47 GMT
#301
Idk dude, GSL is what matters.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
June 02 2012 00:55 GMT
#302
On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote:
Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."

Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.

Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".


Naah MKP #1 bro
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thrawn1020
Profile Joined April 2011
United States32 Posts
June 02 2012 00:57 GMT
#303
On June 02 2012 09:32 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote:
Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.

I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.

Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.

I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.

Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."

Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.

Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".

I'm looking for the part of that post where you actually made any points.

I can't find it.

What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)

As for "ZOMG GSL IS THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS" - Get off your high horse, really. A tournament is a tournament is a tournament. If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere. Does preparation time change the game some? Yes. Does it invalidate anything else? Fuck no.


I watch those other tournaments too. That's why I talk about the quality of the games. Nobody said those games were terrible but you. YOU were the one who said that Red Bull Battlegrounds and an MLG were the same, even though one has over 100 more players in it and a TON more recognition. And I did never say that anyone should not seek to make money off the game from some tournament if it is paying out. If MKP can go overseas and make better money than what he can do in a Preparation-based format, more power to him. I'd do the same in his position. But the best play in the world comes from the GSL. And that is the yardstick by which people are measured in terms of skill, like it or not. There is a reason foreigners _choose_ to play at the GSL. It is the MOST prestigious tournament on the planet, period. It is not about the money; it is about winning the toughest tournament in the world. People like Naniwa don't give a damn about winning an MLG because GSL exists and is a higher quality win. And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. Call me when MKP wins.

Feel free to disagree with me; I'll live. But I don't want to watch games where one side has to pull an all-nighter just to play a game live. Call me when the NASL is holding nightly events that I can fly to and attend on a regular basis, for free. It will happen; whether or not the NASL is the first one on this side of the ocean to do it is another matter. I'll be waiting; I'll definitely be watching if they can make that happen.
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Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
June 02 2012 00:58 GMT
#304
YES both kings of the north in code S! SWEDEN FIGHTIIIIING!
Don't be asshats
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
June 02 2012 01:13 GMT
#305
On June 02 2012 08:52 jobber123rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 08:47 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
wait, guys, where is stephano??

He moved his trip to Korea back to August.


Can't wait to see him in GSL
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YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
June 02 2012 03:39 GMT
#306
Looks like it will be an interesting GSL code S. Excited to see Liquid do well again
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
June 02 2012 03:58 GMT
#307
Naniwa has a good chance imo compared to ThorZain >.<.

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Prophecy3
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada223 Posts
June 02 2012 04:58 GMT
#308
I think Group B will be the toughest, Nani is going to be looking for validation that it wasn't a fluke, and Nestea is.. well.. Nestea.. The StC is not to be underestimated with a solid long game. It's deff between F and B, but only because MKP sqewers the numbers..
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LooneySC
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2 Posts
June 02 2012 05:01 GMT
#309
Can't wait for Thorzain :D
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
June 02 2012 05:05 GMT
#310
LOL Nani and Nestea in the same group
Fix637
Profile Joined February 2011
United States256 Posts
June 02 2012 05:59 GMT
#311
It's been said, but yet another NesTea/Naniwa rematch!

I'm going to place my bets on Naniwa 2-1. Naniwa's showed some amazing skill, and NesTea just hasn't been cracking nerd skulls like he used to.

This looks like a good season =)
Angelavenger
Profile Joined March 2012
United States59 Posts
June 02 2012 07:19 GMT
#312
So looking forward to next season. Hope Thorzain goes far!
Apoo
Profile Joined January 2011
413 Posts
June 02 2012 07:57 GMT
#313
Naniwa with in the hardest group . . .
pewpew415
Profile Joined December 2010
United States48 Posts
June 02 2012 08:06 GMT
#314
GO TEAM SWEDEN!!
plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
June 02 2012 08:50 GMT
#315
why there is no stephano in code s this season?
sorry for stupid question
Fan of gomtv code s. Best SC2. KR >>>ALL Tasteless + Artosis >>>ALL
saiyogo
Profile Joined June 2011
Vietnam136 Posts
June 02 2012 08:54 GMT
#316
On June 02 2012 17:50 plutonowy wrote:
why there is no stephano in code s this season?
sorry for stupid question


he is not in Korean until season 4
EthanKairos
Profile Joined June 2012
Philippines65 Posts
June 02 2012 09:09 GMT
#317
Rooting for Squirtle and ThorZaIN!
Now, I can change almost anything.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
June 02 2012 09:13 GMT
#318
group g is HARD
IM & EG supporter
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
June 02 2012 09:16 GMT
#319
Thorzain has keen (TvT Sniper) and Squirtle (PvT God) Poor guy.
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Aphod
Profile Joined March 2012
United States72 Posts
June 02 2012 09:20 GMT
#320
You know, group F is the one that completely baffles me. If you asked me who would make it out I couldn't tell you. Parting and Symbol are both clearly top tier, YGO looked strong in Code A, and MKP is, well, MKP. I honestly don't know who's coming out on top there.
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