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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
oriwarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden29 Posts
September 14 2014 13:50 GMT
#8281
On September 14 2014 19:14 KingAlphard wrote:
I would say 90% maphack. I'd ask you to watch the replay and tell me if in your opinion he maphacks or not.

Hacker name: Nova
Server: NA
League: Master
B.net profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5820304/1/Nova/
Replay: http://drop.sc/386096
Description:

Early game is a bit suspicious, he goes 3 stalker rush into phoenixes (no one does that build, it loses against almost everything) while I go oracle and builds only 1 phoenix while I switch into twilight (all of this not scouted). But it could be, it's still just NA master league ladder.

Other than that, he seems a very legit player, scouts all the time, etc. But then...

I go for a storm drop at around 12:00, when the warp prism is about halfway done, he resumes phoenix production, builds only 2 of them, and sends them straight to intercept my warp prism.

He blindly goes for an all in on my third base without scouting if it was there or not.

At 17:00 , he builds an observer while I was sending the first DT I ever made into his base.


About early game, it just seems as though he just didn't want to play phoenix vs phoenix when he knew you have stargate too. The warpprism snipe seemed a bit suspicious, however if you saw his phoenix rally, he went scouting for hidden bases with those.

The attack was just him attacking with allin and the obs he made was his third one rallied at the same place as the previous.

Overall I wouldn't say there's enough evidence about maphack. Let's see what others think.
Expertis1992
Profile Joined September 2014
France2 Posts
September 14 2014 14:26 GMT
#8282
On September 14 2014 19:14 KingAlphard wrote:
I would say 90% maphack. I'd ask you to watch the replay and tell me if in your opinion he maphacks or not.

Hacker name: Nova
Server: NA
League: Master
B.net profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5820304/1/Nova/
Replay: http://drop.sc/386096
Description:

Early game is a bit suspicious, he goes 3 stalker rush into phoenixes (no one does that build, it loses against almost everything) while I go oracle and builds only 1 phoenix while I switch into twilight (all of this not scouted). But it could be, it's still just NA master league ladder.

Other than that, he seems a very legit player, scouts all the time, etc. But then...

I go for a storm drop at around 12:00, when the warp prism is about halfway done, he resumes phoenix production, builds only 2 of them, and sends them straight to intercept my warp prism.

He blindly goes for an all in on my third base without scouting if it was there or not.

At 17:00 , he builds an observer while I was sending the first DT I ever made into his base.



Ohn I've seen this guy stream he usually has around 4-5 viewers we'll i watched replay and i must agree with Brainstorm.
But ye the phenix finding the warp prism was kinda suspicious but to be honest thats the only thing he send the observer to his nat AFTER the dt was already in his mineral line.
The all in is pretty much just a timing attack but he failed it i guess and he might've been look for hidden expo's with those 2 phenix cause in replay u can see he is patrolling to ninja bases, in my opinion there isn't enough evidence to say he maphacks aswell but ye i would like to know ur guys comments he might've gotten lucky. for the ones interested i believe http://www.twitch.tv/solidifyer is his stream.
OGzan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States289 Posts
September 14 2014 16:21 GMT
#8283
On September 07 2014 02:57 devo. wrote:
Name : Shadye
Server : EU
League : Master

This is the second time I played him, but i couldn't find the other replay. I think it pretty obvious that he is hacking. Blindly walking to kill overlords, bunkers and just the overall game.

http://drop.sc/385767


I have a replay against him too, he is definitely hacking. I knew something was up when I played against him. He kept looking at my base through the fog of war and blindly intercepted my dropships rofl. I think your replay is enough proof though. Building CC in the main base (which counters your build) and then blindly building defense and everything else with minimal scouting. Dudes a hacker easy
(Zan) :: http://www.twitch.tv/byzantiumsc :: Terran Player currently teamless ::
iS.Mike
Profile Joined September 2011
37 Posts
September 14 2014 16:24 GMT
#8284
On September 09 2014 11:08 iS.Mike wrote:
Hacker name: MrDemocrat
Server: NA
League: GM Rank 141 (75-45)
Description: http://drop.sc/385801

This is a recently promoted GM. It was brought to my attention by a teammate. A few things I found suspicious:

2:25 - Strange probe movement. Initially begins to move up to scout the main, then seems to change to move behind the natural, finally moves to a high ground near the third and back to the natural almost instantly. Seems odd except that it dodges the scouting drone perfectly.
4:30, 4:40 - Protoss camera pans briefly through the fog of war where lings are gathering, twice.
6:55 - Moves the probe at the other third base as soon as lings are queued towards it. This is suspicious because he doesn't move the probe when the other probe at the third died or when his pylon at the natural was picked off.
10:00 - Moves 2 stalkers across the map and onto creep despite knowing his opponent had at least 8 lings from the beginning of the game already out. This just seems strange because if the zerg had speed, those would be free stalkers, and 10 minutes is almost a guarantee that speed is done. Not to mention his 2 stalkers pick off all 3 lings positioned for scouting on the map before being rallied onto creep.
12:25 - Perhaps the most suspicious action this game. The MSC moves closer to the natural for no apparent reason. In reality, there are hydras and lings in the fog of war between the main and natural of the protoss, and the MSC is being repositioned to photon overcharge both bases.
12:31 - Instant response and warp in. Literally less than a second reaction. For some reason, the camera was panning with the zerg army before the warp in occurs.

These are all the major instances, but it's always suspicious when no attempt at scouting is made as well as strange move out timings. Despite the outcome of the game, I feel it is still worth looking into.


Can someone please take a look at this? I would think a GM hacking is more important than diamond/masters but this has received no responses so far.
( bush
Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
September 14 2014 17:50 GMT
#8285
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.
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FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-14 18:05:27
September 14 2014 18:02 GMT
#8286
On September 15 2014 02:50 ( bush wrote:
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.


iS.Mike September 14 2014 12:24. Posts 35

OGzan United States. September 14 2014 12:21. Posts 284

Expertis1992 France. September 14 2014 10:26. Posts 1

Sure seems like people do.
zDreaM
Profile Joined June 2010
United States16 Posts
September 14 2014 18:45 GMT
#8287
On September 15 2014 01:24 iS.Mike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 11:08 iS.Mike wrote:
Hacker name: MrDemocrat
Server: NA
League: GM Rank 141 (75-45)
Description: http://drop.sc/385801

This is a recently promoted GM. It was brought to my attention by a teammate. A few things I found suspicious:

2:25 - Strange probe movement. Initially begins to move up to scout the main, then seems to change to move behind the natural, finally moves to a high ground near the third and back to the natural almost instantly. Seems odd except that it dodges the scouting drone perfectly.
4:30, 4:40 - Protoss camera pans briefly through the fog of war where lings are gathering, twice.
6:55 - Moves the probe at the other third base as soon as lings are queued towards it. This is suspicious because he doesn't move the probe when the other probe at the third died or when his pylon at the natural was picked off.
10:00 - Moves 2 stalkers across the map and onto creep despite knowing his opponent had at least 8 lings from the beginning of the game already out. This just seems strange because if the zerg had speed, those would be free stalkers, and 10 minutes is almost a guarantee that speed is done. Not to mention his 2 stalkers pick off all 3 lings positioned for scouting on the map before being rallied onto creep.
12:25 - Perhaps the most suspicious action this game. The MSC moves closer to the natural for no apparent reason. In reality, there are hydras and lings in the fog of war between the main and natural of the protoss, and the MSC is being repositioned to photon overcharge both bases.
12:31 - Instant response and warp in. Literally less than a second reaction. For some reason, the camera was panning with the zerg army before the warp in occurs.

These are all the major instances, but it's always suspicious when no attempt at scouting is made as well as strange move out timings. Despite the outcome of the game, I feel it is still worth looking into.


Can someone please take a look at this? I would think a GM hacking is more important than diamond/masters but this has received no responses so far.



I can confirm he maphacks. He cannon rushed me and found all my other bases blindly(his probe never followed my drones and his probes never saw them leave the base). He still managed to send all his probes DIRECTLY to each of my bases to cannon rush them.
Losing game? Make infestors.
iS.Mike
Profile Joined September 2011
37 Posts
September 14 2014 18:47 GMT
#8288
On September 15 2014 03:45 zDreaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 01:24 iS.Mike wrote:
On September 09 2014 11:08 iS.Mike wrote:
Hacker name: MrDemocrat
Server: NA
League: GM Rank 141 (75-45)
Description: http://drop.sc/385801

This is a recently promoted GM. It was brought to my attention by a teammate. A few things I found suspicious:

2:25 - Strange probe movement. Initially begins to move up to scout the main, then seems to change to move behind the natural, finally moves to a high ground near the third and back to the natural almost instantly. Seems odd except that it dodges the scouting drone perfectly.
4:30, 4:40 - Protoss camera pans briefly through the fog of war where lings are gathering, twice.
6:55 - Moves the probe at the other third base as soon as lings are queued towards it. This is suspicious because he doesn't move the probe when the other probe at the third died or when his pylon at the natural was picked off.
10:00 - Moves 2 stalkers across the map and onto creep despite knowing his opponent had at least 8 lings from the beginning of the game already out. This just seems strange because if the zerg had speed, those would be free stalkers, and 10 minutes is almost a guarantee that speed is done. Not to mention his 2 stalkers pick off all 3 lings positioned for scouting on the map before being rallied onto creep.
12:25 - Perhaps the most suspicious action this game. The MSC moves closer to the natural for no apparent reason. In reality, there are hydras and lings in the fog of war between the main and natural of the protoss, and the MSC is being repositioned to photon overcharge both bases.
12:31 - Instant response and warp in. Literally less than a second reaction. For some reason, the camera was panning with the zerg army before the warp in occurs.

These are all the major instances, but it's always suspicious when no attempt at scouting is made as well as strange move out timings. Despite the outcome of the game, I feel it is still worth looking into.


Can someone please take a look at this? I would think a GM hacking is more important than diamond/masters but this has received no responses so far.



I can confirm he maphacks. He cannon rushed me and found all my other bases blindly(his probe never followed my drones and his probes never saw them leave the base). He still managed to send all his probes DIRECTLY to each of my bases to cannon rush them.

Would be great if you could upload that replay.
LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
September 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#8289
On September 15 2014 03:02 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 02:50 ( bush wrote:
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.


iS.Mike September 14 2014 12:24. Posts 35

OGzan United States. September 14 2014 12:21. Posts 284

Expertis1992 France. September 14 2014 10:26. Posts 1

Sure seems like people do.


Nothing is really "confirmed" anymore. There used to be a very active group that of high level players, even pro players some times reviewing a lot of these Master/GM replays. But that is not the case anymore. Good portion of this thread devolved into a name calling or whine thread.

I miss the days of 2011/2012
Remember our motto: We ain't got it.
Heat_023
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
September 14 2014 20:21 GMT
#8290
Seriously all the people reporting diamond hackers, what the hell dude. Just... move on. Would be nice if this tread was truly focused on cleaning up the high masters and GM part of the ladder.
twitch.tv/heat023
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
September 14 2014 20:48 GMT
#8291
On September 15 2014 03:58 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 03:02 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On September 15 2014 02:50 ( bush wrote:
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.


iS.Mike September 14 2014 12:24. Posts 35

OGzan United States. September 14 2014 12:21. Posts 284

Expertis1992 France. September 14 2014 10:26. Posts 1

Sure seems like people do.


Nothing is really "confirmed" anymore. There used to be a very active group that of high level players, even pro players some times reviewing a lot of these Master/GM replays. But that is not the case anymore. Good portion of this thread devolved into a name calling or whine thread.

I miss the days of 2011/2012


I miss the days of 2004-2008 when Starcraft was actually taken care of and had meaning

Sadly, there are always going to be hackers, always going to be means of hacking, and Blizzard needs to realize this and actually do something. You have individuals in the community who can and will just sit there reviewing replays of potential hackers, so actually let them do something about it. That is what needs to happen. The community is the first line of action for the game and if Blizzard isn't going to wise up, its just going to end up in more poor review.
lukiTheZerg
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland4 Posts
September 14 2014 22:49 GMT
#8292
My first post but I just couldn't stop myself from posting it. Pretty sure he's cheating. Never scouts, blind cannons and sentries. Even cuts probes to make enough units for my roach push. If he's not cheating then I'm sorry for accusing somebody innocent.

Name : IIXitoqII
Server : EU
League : Master

http://drop.sc/386116
http://drop.sc/386117
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9408 Posts
September 15 2014 00:28 GMT
#8293
On September 15 2014 05:48 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 03:58 LingBlingBling wrote:
On September 15 2014 03:02 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On September 15 2014 02:50 ( bush wrote:
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.


iS.Mike September 14 2014 12:24. Posts 35

OGzan United States. September 14 2014 12:21. Posts 284

Expertis1992 France. September 14 2014 10:26. Posts 1

Sure seems like people do.


Nothing is really "confirmed" anymore. There used to be a very active group that of high level players, even pro players some times reviewing a lot of these Master/GM replays. But that is not the case anymore. Good portion of this thread devolved into a name calling or whine thread.

I miss the days of 2011/2012


I miss the days of 2004-2008 when Starcraft was actually taken care of and had meaning

Sadly, there are always going to be hackers, always going to be means of hacking, and Blizzard needs to realize this and actually do something. You have individuals in the community who can and will just sit there reviewing replays of potential hackers, so actually let them do something about it. That is what needs to happen. The community is the first line of action for the game and if Blizzard isn't going to wise up, its just going to end up in more poor review.


Hmm, well maybe there are also some people that make wrong accusations (?). Even Artosis seemed to do that back in BW?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/96083-where-are-they-now?page=2
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
September 15 2014 12:12 GMT
#8294
On September 14 2014 22:50 brain_storm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2014 19:14 KingAlphard wrote:
I would say 90% maphack. I'd ask you to watch the replay and tell me if in your opinion he maphacks or not.

Hacker name: Nova
Server: NA
League: Master
B.net profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5820304/1/Nova/
Replay: http://drop.sc/386096
Description:

Early game is a bit suspicious, he goes 3 stalker rush into phoenixes (no one does that build, it loses against almost everything) while I go oracle and builds only 1 phoenix while I switch into twilight (all of this not scouted). But it could be, it's still just NA master league ladder.

Other than that, he seems a very legit player, scouts all the time, etc. But then...

I go for a storm drop at around 12:00, when the warp prism is about halfway done, he resumes phoenix production, builds only 2 of them, and sends them straight to intercept my warp prism.

He blindly goes for an all in on my third base without scouting if it was there or not.

At 17:00 , he builds an observer while I was sending the first DT I ever made into his base.


About early game, it just seems as though he just didn't want to play phoenix vs phoenix when he knew you have stargate too. The warpprism snipe seemed a bit suspicious, however if you saw his phoenix rally, he went scouting for hidden bases with those.

The attack was just him attacking with allin and the obs he made was his third one rallied at the same place as the previous.

Overall I wouldn't say there's enough evidence about maphack. Let's see what others think.

Yes, I did see the rally. The thing is, he could have done it with hallucinations, why spend money for real phoenixes? Also, he had no reason to suspect that I could have a hidden base.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 14:12:15
September 15 2014 14:08 GMT
#8295
On September 15 2014 05:21 Heat_023 wrote:
Seriously all the people reporting diamond hackers, what the hell dude. Just... move on. Would be nice if this tread was truly focused on cleaning up the high masters and GM part of the ladder.


Seriously all the people reporting smartphones robber. What the hell dude. Just move on. Would be nice if we would be truly focused on cleaning up the guys that are robbing houses.

On September 15 2014 03:58 LingBlingBling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 03:02 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On September 15 2014 02:50 ( bush wrote:
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.


iS.Mike September 14 2014 12:24. Posts 35

OGzan United States. September 14 2014 12:21. Posts 284

Expertis1992 France. September 14 2014 10:26. Posts 1

Sure seems like people do.


Nothing is really "confirmed" anymore. There used to be a very active group that of high level players, even pro players some times reviewing a lot of these Master/GM replays. But that is not the case anymore. Good portion of this thread devolved into a name calling or whine thread.

I miss the days of 2011/2012


You could ask to take over the OP. I think some people wanted to do it but didn't happen. Nunez is still around i think. Maybe you could PM him or a mod. I tried at some point but it took so much time to watch those replays So i didn't ask.

If you have time you can ask for it i think (but it's really time consuming. Don't know how Nunez kept it up that long)
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 15 2014 14:19 GMT
#8296
On September 15 2014 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 05:21 Heat_023 wrote:
Seriously all the people reporting diamond hackers, what the hell dude. Just... move on. Would be nice if this tread was truly focused on cleaning up the high masters and GM part of the ladder.


Seriously all the people reporting smartphones robber. What the hell dude. Just move on. Would be nice if we would be truly focused on cleaning up the guys that are robbing houses.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 03:58 LingBlingBling wrote:
On September 15 2014 03:02 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On September 15 2014 02:50 ( bush wrote:
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.


iS.Mike September 14 2014 12:24. Posts 35

OGzan United States. September 14 2014 12:21. Posts 284

Expertis1992 France. September 14 2014 10:26. Posts 1

Sure seems like people do.


Nothing is really "confirmed" anymore. There used to be a very active group that of high level players, even pro players some times reviewing a lot of these Master/GM replays. But that is not the case anymore. Good portion of this thread devolved into a name calling or whine thread.

I miss the days of 2011/2012


You could ask to take over the OP. I think some people wanted to do it but didn't happen. Nunez is still around i think. Maybe you could PM him or a mod. I tried at some point but it took so much time to watch those replays So i didn't ask.

If you have time you can ask for it i think (but it's really time consuming. Don't know how Nunez kept it up that long)

Well, I would do it but I'm doing a lot of other stuff already, and I have a lot of classwork to do. Plus I don't know where I would begin.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
September 15 2014 14:24 GMT
#8297
On September 15 2014 23:19 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
On September 15 2014 05:21 Heat_023 wrote:
Seriously all the people reporting diamond hackers, what the hell dude. Just... move on. Would be nice if this tread was truly focused on cleaning up the high masters and GM part of the ladder.


Seriously all the people reporting smartphones robber. What the hell dude. Just move on. Would be nice if we would be truly focused on cleaning up the guys that are robbing houses.

On September 15 2014 03:58 LingBlingBling wrote:
On September 15 2014 03:02 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On September 15 2014 02:50 ( bush wrote:
This thread has been abandoned for a long time, no one bothers to confirm hackers posted here anymore.


iS.Mike September 14 2014 12:24. Posts 35

OGzan United States. September 14 2014 12:21. Posts 284

Expertis1992 France. September 14 2014 10:26. Posts 1

Sure seems like people do.


Nothing is really "confirmed" anymore. There used to be a very active group that of high level players, even pro players some times reviewing a lot of these Master/GM replays. But that is not the case anymore. Good portion of this thread devolved into a name calling or whine thread.

I miss the days of 2011/2012


You could ask to take over the OP. I think some people wanted to do it but didn't happen. Nunez is still around i think. Maybe you could PM him or a mod. I tried at some point but it took so much time to watch those replays So i didn't ask.

If you have time you can ask for it i think (but it's really time consuming. Don't know how Nunez kept it up that long)

Well, I would do it but I'm doing a lot of other stuff already, and I have a lot of classwork to do. Plus I don't know where I would begin.


Trust me i tried like... one week (2-4 pages something like that) and it took a lot of time. I prefer you do LRs :p
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damrud
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5 Posts
September 15 2014 17:37 GMT
#8298
Anyone can check?

Nick: ShoBoSha
Serwer: EU

http://drop.sc/386135
PengWin_SC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Switzerland433 Posts
September 17 2014 12:17 GMT
#8299
As far as I know this guy isn't listed here yet, so here goes:

Nick: llXitoqll
Server: EU

http://drop.sc/386203

I 9 pool, and without scouting we see him create a choke with his buildings and then begin chronoboosting zealots (2:55) rallied into the choke point before having any idea this is coming whatsoever. We then see him push out across the map which is something you should never do following a 9 pool as a speedling followup is very possible. He pushes all the way into my base (6:50) only to turn around without doing any damage and head home the second my lings spawn, without seeing them. I add on a lair and he immediately takes his third, knowing I won't be able to pressure him. At 8:50, I retreat down the right side with my lings. He continues walking, then turns around to go fight them. It doesn't make sense to assume I would have left my zerglings there. Then he happens to hit a kill timing right before my mutas are out, perfect timing for him at 10:30.

Most of this is stuff that could be boiled down to luck/coincidence, but the opening decision to chronoboost zealots into a readily created choke point is pretty condemning. It makes absolutely no sense to be chronoboosting zealots defensively without having scouted anything.
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Expertis1992
Profile Joined September 2014
France2 Posts
September 17 2014 13:58 GMT
#8300
On September 17 2014 21:17 PengWin_SC wrote:
As far as I know this guy isn't listed here yet, so here goes:

Nick: llXitoqll
Server: EU

http://drop.sc/386203

I 9 pool, and without scouting we see him create a choke with his buildings and then begin chronoboosting zealots (2:55) rallied into the choke point before having any idea this is coming whatsoever. We then see him push out across the map which is something you should never do following a 9 pool as a speedling followup is very possible. He pushes all the way into my base (6:50) only to turn around without doing any damage and head home the second my lings spawn, without seeing them. I add on a lair and he immediately takes his third, knowing I won't be able to pressure him. At 8:50, I retreat down the right side with my lings. He continues walking, then turns around to go fight them. It doesn't make sense to assume I would have left my zerglings there. Then he happens to hit a kill timing right before my mutas are out, perfect timing for him at 10:30.

Most of this is stuff that could be boiled down to luck/coincidence, but the opening decision to chronoboost zealots into a readily created choke point is pretty condemning. It makes absolutely no sense to be chronoboosting zealots defensively without having scouted anything.


I can confirm that he hacks i've met him on ladder multiple times and he keeps counter every build i do 'pvp' i can give u replays if its needed but i've been wondering if he was hacking or not
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