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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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Server: EU
Name: Longo
SC2 profile link: starcraft://profile/2/14059250688093847552
Replay Link: http://drop.sc/352100
Kid is using maphack, auto inject hack both of which are COMPLETELY OBVIOUS lol.
You will see his perfect injects even while microing his army.
You will see him constantly look over to my side of the map with no vision... Infact, he is looking at my army.
You will see him preemptively put spines down with 0 vision. In addition he pre emptively splits army with 0 vision.
He looks at my hallucinated phoenix scouts with 0 vision.
Its pretty obvious, but you guys will see the most obvious maphacker.''
Enjoy,
~Montisumo 744
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On July 29 2013 17:08 Wormi wrote:Hacker ID: ImBaTosS Server: EU League: GM http://ggtracker.com/matches/3729614 (vs. childfou) 13:43 looks at southern part of zerg main (fog of war) 16:47 stalker warpin at the exact position mutas will arrive 0.5 secs later. 17:55 -> 18:15 toss moves out but zerg flies mutas on the north of ImBaTosS 3rd. immediatly he sends some stalkers. right before the mutas attack, he warps in additional stalkers. 21:29 warps in stalkers at his 4th, but mutas fly towards 3rd. suddenly he decides not to defend his 4th and moves the stalkers to the 3rd (no vision at all). terrible terrible scouting in general. after 20 minutes he still hadn´t scouted the zerg main or anything at all except the places his army went.
Being a teammate of ImBaTosS I'll try my best to retain an objective standpoint and this post is my own personal opinion unaffiliated with CPLAY.. First off I think it's reasonable to look closely at his replays because these are quite serious accusations and his general lack of scouting and unique builds certainly lend themselves to be suspicous at times. While I have my own personal opinions on the matter I'd encourage everyone to not get on the bandwagon a bit too quickly.
The linked replay isn't all too suspicious in my opinion. There are a few moments that could be a hack or it could be starsense and most people at a reasonably high level do read certain things and anticipate certain moves.
At 16:47 he had seen the mutas clear the bottom watchtower just a few seconds earlier.
At 17:55 he lost his natural leaving his only mining base the 3rd, most of the time when protoss move out against mutas they try to leave a lot of AA at home, and going to the third base does seem like a reasonable decision that could be argued for.
21:29 it's down to a very low econ game, and having no secure bases the 3rd is a lot easier to defend than the 4th not to mention that it protects his natural ramp, so again a decision that could be legit.
Peeking into the main is something a lot of people do ocasionally, sometimes you just want to check with yourself what you actually saw. It's one of the harder things to justify but at least I do it sometimes as well so I have a hard viewing it as an overwhelming indication of a maphack.
There is always the issue of a production tab hack, much harder to detect and all that. Whether he hacks or not is not really my place to judge at the end of the day, but fair is fair and I don't think that replay is incriminating enough to tarnish someones reputation.
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as a teammate you may have actually seen quite a lot of games from him. have you ever seen imbatoss been caught completely offguard?
i haven´t.
never in cups that were streamed, never in the ~10 replays i downloaded. he loses games because of bad micro or bad decisionmaking/focus fire during battles. i would really love to see him lose by suddenly 10 mutas in mineral line or sneaky baneling,or dunno, anything sneaky you can image. but it just doesn´t happen. imo he just knows.
btw if i had time i could post even more replay analysis. like the game he played on akilon vs biphy. imbatoss openes gateway(no scout), biphy normal pool timing but with 6 lings. 2 seconds before before the lings enter the ramp, imbatoss moves the gate waypoint from ramp to his nexus... etc etc... every game i´ve seen is full of things like that. but well, as long as he isn´t stupid enough to click on buildings he can´t see, there is nothing one can do.
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On July 29 2013 17:08 Wormi wrote:Hacker ID: ImBaTosS Server: EU League: GM http://ggtracker.com/matches/3729614 (vs. childfou) 13:43 looks at southern part of zerg main (fog of war) 16:47 stalker warpin at the exact position mutas will arrive 0.5 secs later. 17:55 -> 18:15 toss moves out but zerg flies mutas on the north of ImBaTosS 3rd. immediatly he sends some stalkers. right before the mutas attack, he warps in additional stalkers. 21:29 warps in stalkers at his 4th, but mutas fly towards 3rd. suddenly he decides not to defend his 4th and moves the stalkers to the 3rd (no vision at all). terrible terrible scouting in general. after 20 minutes he still hadn´t scouted the zerg main or anything at all except the places his army went.
99% maphack. look at his vision lol xD he always clicks on his army 10 seconds before a fight with mutas occurs :D his mechanics micro and macro are bad and his build is very dumb... but yes hes a maphacker pretty sure. he hides it kinda well though.
probably production tab hack too. man i dont like the word hacker... like if they were smart haha :D
watched it the third time now. in my opinion there is no way hes not using maphack.
this guy has a 72% winrate in pvp... guess the only loses occured because of his awful micro
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Imbatoss is a hacker 99.(9)%, he popped onto rank 16 GM out of NOWHERE, did well in cups and got money out of it OUT OF NOWHERE, and then he got onto CPLAY which i consider to be a good team in EU, also,+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423044
for more info on Imbatoss.
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I'd be curious to see a study of sorts on the average use of changelings at a "high level." When playing a hacker, a lot of times they don't scout things they could easily scout. There seems to be a balance of wanting to scout enough to not be as obvious as Nerfy, while also being bad enough at scouting that you don't end up telling the other guy that you know what he is doing. I'd have to suspect Zerg hackers are using changelings at an abnormally low rate compared to their legit "peers."
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Hacker ID: boy
Server: NA
League: Unranked when I played him.
Description: Replay
The game is on whirlwind. He plays random and I decide to 4 gate. I am at top left while he is bottom left. He starts off by sending his ovie to the right. Soon after he just looks at top right and stops his overlord. Later on, while my probe is traveling to his base, he takes a look at a random spot on the map that just so happens to be where my probe is. All along the game he would just randomly scan the top right. At three minutes, after a scan at my base, he just decides to leave.
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Hacker ID : cMlauRin
Server : EU
League : Top master
Replay : http://drop.sc/352181
Game on Akilon Waste. 0 overlord on map to scoot...
Major move : 19:20 sending muta in "attack mode" on B3 without scooting drop. Nothing on the b4 to cover a drop...he knows it's coming here.
23:00 Same move as before. Sending muta on B3 without scooting anything.
23:00 Sending infestor in front like he knows their is marine inc. Perfect fungle without scoot.
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On July 30 2013 00:01 playa wrote:
I'd be curious to see a study of sorts on the average use of changelings at a "high level." When playing a hacker, a lot of times they don't scout things they could easily scout. There seems to be a balance of wanting to scout enough to not be as obvious as Nerfy, while also being bad enough at scouting that you don't end up telling the other guy that you know what he is doing. I'd have to suspect Zerg hackers are using changelings at an abnormally low rate compared to their legit "peers."
this is a good point. Hackers are mostly too bad to use this simple scouting mechanic 
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On July 28 2013 08:17 FenixHero wrote:Hacker Name: Toki Server: EU League: Masters Replay: 1) http://drop.sc/3518842) http://drop.sc/351885In the first game he always attacks where i have no defences or my army is away In the second one just when i placed the nydus in his base he comes with the probe and places a pylon. I would like someone to analize it with sc2gears. Thanks.
So this guy was pretty bad mannered after the game and was full of madness.
It's sad that I get accused by people that I'm hacking especially after they read Fenixheros' post.
So to clear things up.
http://www.file-upload.net/download-7900024/Sc2-Replays.rar.html
My last replays I played.
If you like you can check all of them if you need more I will provide them.
And if you think that's not enough I've been to countless MST's (Munich Starcraft Tournament) as an offlineplayer they all can prove that I am not hacking.
Regards Toki
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Server: EU
Name: Amirg
SC2 profile link: starcraft://profile/2/2663780240723017728
Replay Link: http://drop.sc/352189
2v2 game:
1Holding a double 7 pool without any information, except from looking in fog of war, with a complete wall off and 2 cannons.
The protoss pings to tell ally where stray overlords are to be found. As well as looking into bases on several occasions and moving army around into better positions without having observers.
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Server: EU
Name: NvOlamun
League: Master rank 11
Race: Terran
1 vs1 game:
He built a Raven without scooting vs my dts than when i move out with my Army he drop me and that not once he make it the whole time. Than he always look random to my warp in pylon without scooting and scan always random who my whole army stand. And the worry thing is that he lose vs me with maphacking
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Server: EU
Name: iQuitDreamZ
League: Master
Race: Zerg
1 vs1 Game:
He built random 5 spince against my 8 Gate and make a wall and that without scooting. Than he make a counter push with Zerglings on whirl wind and he go straight to my position without scooting one of the position. Than he built a spire in that time i make 2 Starports and he cancel the spire without scooting and ad a hydra deen and a infestation pit. He has a bad Macro and Micro and i think he is only Master with Maphacking
User was warned for this post
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On July 29 2013 17:08 Wormi wrote:Hacker ID: ImBaTosS Server: EU League: GM http://ggtracker.com/matches/3729614 (vs. childfou) 13:43 looks at southern part of zerg main (fog of war) 16:47 stalker warpin at the exact position mutas will arrive 0.5 secs later. 17:55 -> 18:15 toss moves out but zerg flies mutas on the north of ImBaTosS 3rd. immediatly he sends some stalkers. right before the mutas attack, he warps in additional stalkers. 21:29 warps in stalkers at his 4th, but mutas fly towards 3rd. suddenly he decides not to defend his 4th and moves the stalkers to the 3rd (no vision at all). terrible terrible scouting in general. after 20 minutes he still hadn´t scouted the zerg main or anything at all except the places his army went.
I played him in a clanwar. Didn't seem suspicious to me, but I haven't looked at the replays. You guys can feel free to look at them. Also 1 ladder game vs him from a while back (i apologize for the no GG. at that time we were going thru really rough lag at our house and it got to me)
http://drop.sc/352203
http://drop.sc/352204
http://drop.sc/352205
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Hacker iD: ||||||||||||||
Server: AM
League: Master
http://drop.sc/352216
Obvious zerg maphacker (still bad). Finds my proxy probe directly, not looking anywhere else. Looks at my void rays and army several times through fog of war.
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On July 30 2013 11:57 Shew wrote:I played him in a clanwar. Didn't seem suspicious to me, but I haven't looked at the replays. You guys can feel free to look at them. Also 1 ladder game vs him from a while back (i apologize for the no GG. at that time we were going thru really rough lag at our house and it got to me) http://drop.sc/352203http://drop.sc/352204http://drop.sc/352205
hahaha, nice!
the first replay, pvp on whirlwind.
he doesn´t probescout, but flies with msc to enemy base (chance 33%).
but BEFORE the msc arrives, he also moves the stalker from the watchtower in the same direction!!!
how can he be so shure his enemy will be there? ^^
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game 3 on whirlwind. the second the other guys builds the dark srhine imbatoss build a robo.
no scout again, checks one (not the right one) base with the msc again, but come on, this is so obvious
he has the ressources to tech at any point in time. 5:22 dark shrine goes down, 5:25 robo...6:45 first thing out of the robo: observer, chronoboosted and rallied to his own base
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Name: kShape
Server: EU
Race: Protoss
Replay: http://drop.sc/352226
Kid peers into fog of war to see my incoming oracles multiple times. He opens 1 gate waits till I put down stargate then cancels other 2 gates and builds twighlioght and goes bnlink. He blinks into my base (has no vision of any of my units) peers into fog of war and decides nopt to engage without ever having scouted my army (i had enuff units to kill his army). I continue with oracle harass and he preemptively warps in stalkers and positions them perfectly with 0 vision. Its obvious and sad, I met 2 obvious maphackers on EU today alone and crushed both of them. They each had super low APM (under 70) and both never scouted my side of the map.... I just dont understand.
Anyways take a look and let me know what you think^^
~CC
Montisumo 744
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@qwerasdfyxcv1996 can you please show the replay otherwise what you are saying is just bullshit& what is your ingame name? because i dont remember you
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