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rickywrath
Canada11 Posts
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binski
United States225 Posts
On July 17 2013 13:03 Gool wrote: http://drop.sc/349300 [CGac]ElhayM (Grandmaster) Pretty obvious, pretending to scout while reacting before seeing anything (4:10 Engi bay) and the most obvious of all, 10:00 he randomly moves his whole army to his main when my warp prism is almost there. He didnt see anything coming, not even the robo, and had zero vision. It's disgusting that Clarity Gaming is associated with hackers... Post-Game chat excerpt. "You: dude are you kidding me its obvious how blatant your hack was im reporting you [CGac] ElhayM: Okay. Good game though. You: no, it wasnt first you hack and pretend to souct my tech then the "go into main¨to stop prism my god that was so fucking obvious [CGac] ElhayM: But it was a good game though! So good game, Gool." Sorry for the typos, i was mad as fuck. And I still am. uh..that wasn't maphacks at all LOL If you watch the game, you notice that the terran uses his initial SCV scout to check your entire main and confirms 100% that you only have 1 pylon in your main when you should have 2. Any intelligent terran at this point would realize you're proxying something, and it has to be either a stargate for oracle, or a DTshrine. Elhaym sends his reaper to the base near his main (5 o'clock) because that's where most protosses would make their stargate to have the oracle in the terran's main as fast as possible. He checks that location and sees no stargate=must be a different type of tech being proxied, OR, the stargate is in another location. He then checks almost every piece of terrain on the righthand side and then finally goes to the left hand side of the map to find the shrine. Clearly you've never seen this build before, but it's a very safe TvP build that many koreans do. The early e-bay acts as defense for proxy oracle (as you will die immediately even upon scouting the SG with the reaper as you wont have marines in time to hold the oracle) and also fast upgrades to not be as behind vs a double forge protoss. I have replays of me doing this build from over a week to 2 weeks back and I'd be fine with uploading if anyone asks. As for his army move-up into his main to conveniently find your warp prism at that exact moment, I want to attribute that to being complete luck / playing really safe for the incredibly obvious DT-drop follow up. I do agree the fishiest moment would be spotting the warp prism at that EXACT moment, as after I myself hold a 1base DT build, I immediately turret my main and just have my units hugging my production + putting depot spotters across my main. Other than the really lucky timing of going to your prism the moment it finishes warping, all his other moves have perfectly reasonable explanations. Just really safe play...and why would someone, as you put it, so blatantly map hack on his main account yet scout with his scv and checks every proxy location lol. Use your brain | ||
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Admiral Adama
United States186 Posts
On July 17 2013 13:03 Gool wrote: http://drop.sc/349300 [CGac]ElhayM (Grandmaster) Pretty obvious, pretending to scout while reacting before seeing anything (4:10 Engi bay) and the most obvious of all, 10:00 he randomly moves his whole army to his main when my warp prism is almost there. He didnt see anything coming, not even the robo, and had zero vision. It's disgusting that Clarity Gaming is associated with hackers... Post-Game chat excerpt. "You: dude are you kidding me its obvious how blatant your hack was im reporting you [CGac] ElhayM: Okay. Good game though. You: no, it wasnt first you hack and pretend to souct my tech then the "go into main¨to stop prism my god that was so fucking obvious [CGac] ElhayM: But it was a good game though! So good game, Gool." Sorry for the typos, i was mad as fuck. And I still am. Thankfully I was alerted with regards to your accusation prior to seeing this post on TeamLiquid so we were able to conduct an investigation with regards to the specific game you've mentioned. As soon as I received the replay it was forwarded to multiple progamers to evaluate it. As of now Binski, Bails and Badcop have all watched the match in its entirety and they had the following to say; iSBinski [1:14 AM] sungbin lee: ok i dont think elhaym is hacking so far just because elhaym scouted the Ps main and saw no 2nd pylon basically the BIGGEST tell letting him know something is being proxied and his reaper scouts everywhere for proxy oracle and his reaper checks the entire map before adding a turret so no maphack in this game and when gool responds with "why would you hack there" , you can look at elhayms camera and look at his minimap to see that the reaper literally checked every obvious proxy location also elhaym opened like one of the safest tvp macro builds giving him a fast turret for proxy oracle/DT shenanigans CGBadcop elhaym scouted standard proxy locations [1:23:16 AM] badcop: the only other fishy thing [1:23:42 AM] badcop: is when the warp prism comes in CGBails The reaper and SCV scouting around the map is completely standard, as well as the early engineering bay, it is flash's build exactly. The warp prism drop into Elhayms base was shut down because he was moving his units up for a drop as soon as the medivacs were ready. Here is a link to Flash doing his build and as you can see, it is the same thing Elhaym did. I can assure you that Clarity Gaming does not, has not and will never support it's players hacking and/or cheating for any reason. Just this past weekend, ElhayM finished 2nd Place in LANCouver a Canadian offline event with a strong list of competitors. We have no doubt that Mark is not guilty of the accusations being thrown his way and Clarity Gaming stands behind him 100%. If anyone has any questions, comments or concerns with regards to the situation please don't hesistate to send me a Private Message and I'll address them as soon as possible. | ||
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Gool
Argentina204 Posts
On July 17 2013 14:35 Admiral Adama wrote: Thankfully I was alerted with regards to your accusation prior to seeing this post on TeamLiquid so we were able to conduct an investigation with regards to the specific game you've mentioned. As soon as I received the replay it was forwarded to multiple progamers to evaluate it. As of now Binski, Bails and Badcop have all watched the match in its entirety and they had the following to say; iSBinski CGBadcop CGBails I can assure you that Clarity Gaming does not, has not and will never support it's players hacking and/or cheating for any reason. Just this past weekend, ElhayM finished 2nd Place in LANCouver a Canadian offline event with a strong list of competitors. We have no doubt that Mark is not guilty of the accusations being thrown his way and Clarity Gaming stands behind him 100%. If anyone has any questions, comments or concerns with regards to the situation please don't hesistate to send me a Private Message and I'll address them as soon as possible. Guess it was just a coincidence. Thank you very much for taking care of that on such short notice. I apologize. | ||
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binski
United States225 Posts
On July 17 2013 13:03 Gool wrote: Pretty obvious, pretending to scout. lol | ||
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HyperDesi
63 Posts
On July 17 2013 14:38 Gool wrote: Guess it was just a coincidence. Thank you very much for taking care of that on such short notice. I apologize. You should apology to him specifically. Next time you should take the time to calm down instead of making false accusation based off of your lack of knowledge and frustration. | ||
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Poo
Canada536 Posts
On July 17 2013 14:33 binski wrote: uh..that wasn't maphacks at all LOL If you watch the game, you notice that the terran uses his initial SCV scout to check your entire main and confirms 100% that you only have 1 pylon in your main when you should have 2. Any intelligent terran at this point would realize you're proxying something, and it has to be either a stargate for oracle, or a DTshrine. Elhaym sends his reaper to the base near his main (5 o'clock) because that's where most protosses would make their stargate to have the oracle in the terran's main as fast as possible. He checks that location and sees no stargate=must be a different type of tech being proxied, OR, the stargate is in another location. He then checks almost every piece of terrain on the righthand side and then finally goes to the left hand side of the map to find the shrine. Clearly you've never seen this build before, but it's a very safe TvP build that many koreans do. The early e-bay acts as defense for proxy oracle (as you will die immediately even upon scouting the SG with the reaper as you wont have marines in time to hold the oracle) and also fast upgrades to kind of be on even footing with a double forge protoss. I have replays of me doing this build from over a week to 2 weeks back and I'd be fine with uploading if anyone asks. As for his army move-up into his main to conveniently find your warp prism at that exact moment, I want to attribute that to being complete luck / playing really safe for the incredibly obvious DT-drop follow up. I do agree the fishiest moment would be spotting the warp prism at that EXACT moment, as after I myself hold a 1base DT build, I immediately turret my main and just have my units hugging my production + putting depot spotters across my main. Other than the really lucky timing of going to your prism the moment it finishes warping, all his other moves have perfectly reasonable explanations. Just really safe play...and why would someone, as you put it, so blatantly map hack on his main account yet scout with his scv and checks every proxy location lol. Use your brain ^ this. Not sure why this was even posted as an accusation of map hacking, how ridiculous. That build is quite standard and safe :/ Please check your replays a lot closer before your next accusation, especially when reviewing people who are clearly trying to break into the scene. Maybe even contacting other players to discuss the replay before posting would be wise as well. | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
On July 17 2013 13:03 Gool wrote: http://drop.sc/349300 [CGac]ElhayM (Grandmaster) Pretty obvious, pretending to scout while reacting before seeing anything (4:10 Engi bay) and the most obvious of all, 10:00 he randomly moves his whole army to his main when my warp prism is almost there. He didnt see anything coming, not even the robo, and had zero vision. It's disgusting that Clarity Gaming is associated with hackers... Post-Game chat excerpt. "You: dude are you kidding me its obvious how blatant your hack was im reporting you [CGac] ElhayM: Okay. Good game though. You: no, it wasnt first you hack and pretend to souct my tech then the "go into main¨to stop prism my god that was so fucking obvious [CGac] ElhayM: But it was a good game though! So good game, Gool." Sorry for the typos, i was mad as fuck. And I still am. I've grown up with this guy playing starcraft 3 years ago, he's competed in almost every single tournament in Vancouver and does well in all of them in such a competitive area. Are you fucking kidding me? I will pay you $4000 if he hacks. Don't have to be so mad over a loss, just a game. [edit] It's one thing to accuse a player for cheating, and another to be convinced that the person is a hacker. I would advise you to think before you post in this thread lol. | ||
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( bush
321 Posts
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Hasuu
Canada178 Posts
Stop your whining and supply more than one god damn replay. Before accusing someone who is clearly not guilty of anything. | ||
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gimpy
United States72 Posts
[BuBble] Silentnight (Master) 8:25 Checks, sends and decides against 3 fog of war bases with his oracle, and commits to 4th and only vulnerable base. Watch his vision as it briefly floats over all three bases while changing his mind about each. Found him on this forum being confirmed as a hacker by 2 other sources as well. Is that a quorum? Of course he's BM at the same time. | ||
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Nooborghini
Canada136 Posts
On July 17 2013 13:03 Gool wrote: http://drop.sc/349300 [CGac]ElhayM (Grandmaster) Pretty obvious, pretending to scout while reacting before seeing anything (4:10 Engi bay) and the most obvious of all, 10:00 he randomly moves his whole army to his main when my warp prism is almost there. He didnt see anything coming, not even the robo, and had zero vision. It's disgusting that Clarity Gaming is associated with hackers... Post-Game chat excerpt. "You: dude are you kidding me its obvious how blatant your hack was im reporting you [CGac] ElhayM: Okay. Good game though. You: no, it wasnt first you hack and pretend to souct my tech then the "go into main¨to stop prism my god that was so fucking obvious [CGac] ElhayM: But it was a good game though! So good game, Gool." Sorry for the typos, i was mad as fuck. And I still am. umm I'm sorry man but you accusing this guy of hacking is completely because you can't handle being out played and scouted. you have only one plyon in ur base, so it auto sets off an alarm for potential proxies. Warp prism seems lucky, look like he was going to go drop but then found it by accident. if you're going to accuse, do it right. Your accusations are based off flaky plays that are easily scouted. EDIT: sry for bad grammar i ESL and also adding he has ElhayM has TL acc. u should apologize for your childish behavior, i hope this teach u to be more sportsman for a up and coming player. this is why the scene cant grow cause you blatantly accuse people who beat you hackers. uninstall the fucking game and go learn some manners honestly | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
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furyofSkanks
32 Posts
Map hacker -- Gambit Platnum League... please can someone review this and confirm he was cheating? Suspicious activity: Platnum League Gambit Cheater Report A) 1:55 took second drone to finish wall off at last possible second before my drone would arrive B) 4:30 Does not scout in entire game and... and he sees that I make early roaches for a bust so he makes a bunker and get's maruaders and cuts his SCV production so he does not lose. There is no reason to do this with zero scouting information!!! As it would simply lose to any normal play. C) 9:44 looks through fog of war to take a peak at my base (YET HE NEVER scouted my base once so there is nothing to look at) D) 10:22 looks through fog of war at my ramp for now reason. (Says, "NO offense but your fucken stupid") E) 11:20 kills hidden overlord that he can't see with his vikings, because it's not in FOG of WAR. Then says, "u know about sight range, dumb as$h%%e? ( I added funny characters because it's too rude to read!) F) 12:20 looks into my base again through fog of war G) 14:30 looks at my 3rd to confirm that I have taken my 3rd through fog of war. Takes his whole army then sends it to that location. Then trys to mask that he is map hacking by scanning to reveal my 3rd after he already sent his army to that location. This sounds strange right? But I accused him of map hacking in the first 4:00 minuites of the game when it became kind of obvious to me. H) 30:30 - 30:50 takes his vikings and goes to exact locations where I have large clumps of overlords and kills as many as he can. (He shouldn't be able to do this very often with out a map hack...) I) 32:28 -- Selects 1 viking and moves A moves right beside my overlord that is out of his vision. J) 34:15 - 34:20 looks at my 4th, through fog of war then sends ghost there to nuke | ||
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote: You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something. Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012. Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo. | ||
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yaeger
Norway98 Posts
This guy could not have been more obvious!!.. No overlords, no lings to scout, not even xel naga on derelinct watcher. He intercepted 100% of all my drops. Knew exactly when i Dropped and where. Caught my army in bad spots everytime cus of the maphack. Probably about 10-20 cases of proof of maphacking inside this replay.. go enjoy people! and get this person banned ! Hes 1100 points Master Zerg. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
http://drop.sc/349369 Nickname: Vind Server: EU | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote: Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012. Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo. I can't even name 8 Mexican players, and if Nerffy can get GM with hacking than anyone can. I was 100% sure he was hacking, having never heard of him, then to find out he is even an admitted hacker. He is still hacking. | ||
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Kieds
Chile116 Posts
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