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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
July 18 2013 01:54 GMT
#6461
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote:
You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something.


Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012.

Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo.

Well alot of hackers in BW and WC3 did really well in offline tourneys so that should not be used as a defence. I guess I have to add that Elhaym does seem legit and I would be extremely suprised if he is hacking. Just had to add that offline/LAN thing since it should not be used as an argument.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
July 18 2013 02:10 GMT
#6462
On July 18 2013 10:19 Kieds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 09:23 playa wrote:
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote:
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote:
You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something.


Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012.

Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo.


I can't even name 8 Mexican players, and if Nerffy can get GM with hacking than anyone can. I was 100% sure he was hacking, having never heard of him, then to find out he is even an admitted hacker. He is still hacking.


How do you know he's still hacking (if he in some moments he used hack)?. That's a very important acussation without any proof.
That replay they posted here was fishy, very fishy, but It could be stream cheat. After that, his name never showed again in this thread, in more than a year, and you come and accuse him?.


Last year? Try replays and accusations against him in this thread from last month. I'm kinda BM when I feel someone is hacking in a tournament. For that, and that alone, I'd rather not. I told a friend before the tournament that it was pointless to even play in small tournaments because you're going to get hacked. It's just disheartening.

I've accused a few people in this thread and everyone of them has ended up getting banned. Even a few pages ago there was someone (ended up getting banned) that I accused of hacking in game, that others were accusing of hacking, but I didn't chime in because I wasn't 100% sure. Once you accuse someone of hacking in game, usually they do some things that give credence to them being legit. That's the only thing that gives me pause about Cham, because he kept playing like a hacker.

First off, he's fake scouting. His overlords aren't in a position to know whether I've taken a third or not, and he has 0 interest in moving them, no matter what stage of the game it is. Yeah he has an overlord at my natural, but not once did he gain vision of my stargate. But oddly enough, it's now time to move it once I started making a void ray.

So, maybe he suspects I have air. But he also suspects I have DT's? Mind you, he only fake scouted (entering my base but not looking for anything, so he never got vision of any of my tech buildings). When I went to his nat with a dt, he had a spore and an overseer hovering over the spore, waiting for it. I made a comment, and he said something about already having a spore before I had a dt. Like I'm not sure how he would even know that, but... let's just ignore the fact that we already have an overseer...

Later in the game, I made a warp prism (never got scouted) and I sent it to his base (never got scouted), and low and behold, it's our first time to prepare for a drop in our main base. Time to send the lings and an overseer there.

Where there is smoke there is fire. I've played a lot of the games the past few seasons and my name isn't even mentioned once. That's kinda weird. Maybe it's because Cham has elite game sense. Maybe that's why he doesn't even need to use overlords to scout. What a showoff.

I don't know if he is hacking in ladder games or not cause I haven't played him in ladder. But, in tournaments, as far as I'm concerned, he's hacking. If your name gets brought up multiple times... if you're allowed to play in any tournament, I think it's time that people start going over your replays. At least if he's going to hack, maybe he can do it less blatantly then.


coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 03:55:03
July 18 2013 03:54 GMT
#6463
On July 18 2013 11:10 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 10:19 Kieds wrote:
On July 18 2013 09:23 playa wrote:
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote:
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote:
You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something.


Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012.

Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo.


I can't even name 8 Mexican players, and if Nerffy can get GM with hacking than anyone can. I was 100% sure he was hacking, having never heard of him, then to find out he is even an admitted hacker. He is still hacking.


How do you know he's still hacking (if he in some moments he used hack)?. That's a very important acussation without any proof.
That replay they posted here was fishy, very fishy, but It could be stream cheat. After that, his name never showed again in this thread, in more than a year, and you come and accuse him?.


Last year? Try replays and accusations against him in this thread from last month. I'm kinda BM when I feel someone is hacking in a tournament. For that, and that alone, I'd rather not. I told a friend before the tournament that it was pointless to even play in small tournaments because you're going to get hacked. It's just disheartening.

I've accused a few people in this thread and everyone of them has ended up getting banned. Even a few pages ago there was someone (ended up getting banned) that I accused of hacking in game, that others were accusing of hacking, but I didn't chime in because I wasn't 100% sure. Once you accuse someone of hacking in game, usually they do some things that give credence to them being legit. That's the only thing that gives me pause about Cham, because he kept playing like a hacker.

First off, he's fake scouting. His overlords aren't in a position to know whether I've taken a third or not, and he has 0 interest in moving them, no matter what stage of the game it is. Yeah he has an overlord at my natural, but not once did he gain vision of my stargate. But oddly enough, it's now time to move it once I started making a void ray.

So, maybe he suspects I have air. But he also suspects I have DT's? Mind you, he only fake scouted (entering my base but not looking for anything, so he never got vision of any of my tech buildings). When I went to his nat with a dt, he had a spore and an overseer hovering over the spore, waiting for it. I made a comment, and he said something about already having a spore before I had a dt. Like I'm not sure how he would even know that, but... let's just ignore the fact that we already have an overseer...

Later in the game, I made a warp prism (never got scouted) and I sent it to his base (never got scouted), and low and behold, it's our first time to prepare for a drop in our main base. Time to send the lings and an overseer there.

Where there is smoke there is fire. I've played a lot of the games the past few seasons and my name isn't even mentioned once. That's kinda weird. Maybe it's because Cham has elite game sense. Maybe that's why he doesn't even need to use overlords to scout. What a showoff.

I don't know if he is hacking in ladder games or not cause I haven't played him in ladder. But, in tournaments, as far as I'm concerned, he's hacking. If your name gets brought up multiple times... if you're allowed to play in any tournament, I think it's time that people start going over your replays. At least if he's going to hack, maybe he can do it less blatantly then.




I played you while ranking up a smurf several times on diff occasions, you play same way every pvz don't you?
Maybe he just metagamed your dt opener since u always do it
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
July 18 2013 05:04 GMT
#6464
oh i was wondering why this cham guy 6pooled cross map on whirlwind and sent his overlords cross first... thought he thought the map was cross only...
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
July 18 2013 05:06 GMT
#6465
On July 18 2013 12:54 NMxhendralisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 11:10 playa wrote:
On July 18 2013 10:19 Kieds wrote:
On July 18 2013 09:23 playa wrote:
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote:
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote:
You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something.


Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012.

Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo.


I can't even name 8 Mexican players, and if Nerffy can get GM with hacking than anyone can. I was 100% sure he was hacking, having never heard of him, then to find out he is even an admitted hacker. He is still hacking.


How do you know he's still hacking (if he in some moments he used hack)?. That's a very important acussation without any proof.
That replay they posted here was fishy, very fishy, but It could be stream cheat. After that, his name never showed again in this thread, in more than a year, and you come and accuse him?.


Last year? Try replays and accusations against him in this thread from last month. I'm kinda BM when I feel someone is hacking in a tournament. For that, and that alone, I'd rather not. I told a friend before the tournament that it was pointless to even play in small tournaments because you're going to get hacked. It's just disheartening.

I've accused a few people in this thread and everyone of them has ended up getting banned. Even a few pages ago there was someone (ended up getting banned) that I accused of hacking in game, that others were accusing of hacking, but I didn't chime in because I wasn't 100% sure. Once you accuse someone of hacking in game, usually they do some things that give credence to them being legit. That's the only thing that gives me pause about Cham, because he kept playing like a hacker.

First off, he's fake scouting. His overlords aren't in a position to know whether I've taken a third or not, and he has 0 interest in moving them, no matter what stage of the game it is. Yeah he has an overlord at my natural, but not once did he gain vision of my stargate. But oddly enough, it's now time to move it once I started making a void ray.

So, maybe he suspects I have air. But he also suspects I have DT's? Mind you, he only fake scouted (entering my base but not looking for anything, so he never got vision of any of my tech buildings). When I went to his nat with a dt, he had a spore and an overseer hovering over the spore, waiting for it. I made a comment, and he said something about already having a spore before I had a dt. Like I'm not sure how he would even know that, but... let's just ignore the fact that we already have an overseer...

Later in the game, I made a warp prism (never got scouted) and I sent it to his base (never got scouted), and low and behold, it's our first time to prepare for a drop in our main base. Time to send the lings and an overseer there.

Where there is smoke there is fire. I've played a lot of the games the past few seasons and my name isn't even mentioned once. That's kinda weird. Maybe it's because Cham has elite game sense. Maybe that's why he doesn't even need to use overlords to scout. What a showoff.

I don't know if he is hacking in ladder games or not cause I haven't played him in ladder. But, in tournaments, as far as I'm concerned, he's hacking. If your name gets brought up multiple times... if you're allowed to play in any tournament, I think it's time that people start going over your replays. At least if he's going to hack, maybe he can do it less blatantly then.




I played you while ranking up a smurf several times on diff occasions, you play same way every pvz don't you?
Maybe he just metagamed your dt opener since u always do it


Do you see me saying "this barcode hacks" or "hendralisk hacks"? I haven't accused anyone in this thread of hacking that hasn't been banned for hacking. Cham would be the first, if legit. I hadn't played him before. You're right, I usually use the same opening until I find something better. I expect to get countered. But, I also expect people to scout for a third, given I play macro games. And, if I only go for a fast'ish drop in one very specific instance, I don't expect it to get read like a book, when they don't even know I have a warp prism on the map. Your reaction time can't be perfect, all game long, when you're playing with no information.

I'm just saying, if this guy keeps getting suspected of hacking, next time he plays a tournament, can his replays be checked after every series/game. There's no reason for this guy to able to get accused every month, yet plan on knocking out players in WCS.


RuFF_SC2
Profile Joined February 2010
United States203 Posts
July 18 2013 06:16 GMT
#6466
Hey guys I just got super hacked tonight on stream. Basicly there is a spoof hack going around that actually changes the players name that you are playing. Played a guy named Avilo, that wasn't avilo because he is on my f list. Then he changed his name to other known players, but wasn't those players like demusilum and some others. BNET needs to fix this before starcraft 2 turns into broodwar that pretty much got hacked outside of iccup and what not.
Eat My Metal Foot Mech-Head
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Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
July 18 2013 06:36 GMT
#6467
On July 18 2013 15:16 RuFF_SC2 wrote:
Hey guys I just got super hacked tonight on stream. Basicly there is a spoof hack going around that actually changes the players name that you are playing. Played a guy named Avilo, that wasn't avilo because he is on my f list. Then he changed his name to other known players, but wasn't those players like demusilum and some others. BNET needs to fix this before starcraft 2 turns into broodwar that pretty much got hacked outside of iccup and what not.


What? Care to explain more?
I have never seen such thing.
oo
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
July 18 2013 06:37 GMT
#6468
On July 18 2013 09:23 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote:
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote:
You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something.


Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012.

Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo.


I can't even name 8 Mexican players, and if Nerffy can get GM with hacking than anyone can. I was 100% sure he was hacking, having never heard of him, then to find out he is even an admitted hacker. He is still hacking.

cham doesnt hack, he played well at mlg
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 06:56:02
July 18 2013 06:54 GMT
#6469
On July 18 2013 15:16 RuFF_SC2 wrote:
Hey guys I just got super hacked tonight on stream. Basicly there is a spoof hack going around that actually changes the players name that you are playing. Played a guy named Avilo, that wasn't avilo because he is on my f list. Then he changed his name to other known players, but wasn't those players like demusilum and some others. BNET needs to fix this before starcraft 2 turns into broodwar that pretty much got hacked outside of iccup and what not.


that's juan..?
RobbyG
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom10 Posts
July 18 2013 10:16 GMT
#6470
Hacker name: George
Server : NA
League : high master/GM
Description: at least maphack
dropsc: http://drop.sc/349429

Hacker name: [USWEST] xxDroidxx
Server : NA
League : high master/GM
Description: at least maphack
dropsc: http://drop.sc/349428

They both have the same hacks, as in at least maphack, the replays show it clearly. They both know when and what is happening on the map.
Nothing is impossible; impossible itself says I m possible
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
July 18 2013 10:24 GMT
#6471
On July 18 2013 15:37 intense555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 09:23 playa wrote:
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote:
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote:
You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something.


Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012.

Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo.


I can't even name 8 Mexican players, and if Nerffy can get GM with hacking than anyone can. I was 100% sure he was hacking, having never heard of him, then to find out he is even an admitted hacker. He is still hacking.

cham doesnt hack, he played well at mlg


In BW, Testie hacked yet he was still one of the best foreigner players when playing legit. Whether you can play legit or not, if you're getting accused as much as this guy, you need to have your replays analyzed. Especially online tournament replays. Players I play over and over again don't even have a spore at the entrance with an overseer there. Let alone a guy that has only seen a void ray.

6 pooling across map on whirlwind does sound pretty standard/explainable to me, too, though. He's prob a good player that wants to guarantee he will win as many tournaments as possible. Maybe hacking is the difference he needs.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
July 18 2013 10:28 GMT
#6472
On July 18 2013 15:37 intense555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 09:23 playa wrote:
On July 17 2013 20:49 Moosy wrote:
On July 17 2013 16:35 playa wrote:
You guys should upload more replays of Cham. He knocked out Nony in a recent WCS challenger. He is playing in a lot of tournaments. He just got promoted to GM. Since I was sure he hacked, I looked for his name (had never heard of him) only to find out he is even an admitted map hacker. Guy has to be banned from tournaments or something.


Cham is a very good young Mexican Zerg that has been GM multiple times. He got 7th-8th in WCS Mexican Nationals in 2012.

Also considering Elhaym of maphacking was pretty absurd considering he did really well at a tough lan (Lancouver) this past weekend beating GM opponents like Firezerg + Poo.


I can't even name 8 Mexican players, and if Nerffy can get GM with hacking than anyone can. I was 100% sure he was hacking, having never heard of him, then to find out he is even an admitted hacker. He is still hacking.

cham doesnt hack, he played well at mlg


so did daisuki in wcs:na

not saying cham hacks or not
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
July 18 2013 10:29 GMT
#6473
On July 18 2013 15:54 SpecialistSc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 15:16 RuFF_SC2 wrote:
Hey guys I just got super hacked tonight on stream. Basicly there is a spoof hack going around that actually changes the players name that you are playing. Played a guy named Avilo, that wasn't avilo because he is on my f list. Then he changed his name to other known players, but wasn't those players like demusilum and some others. BNET needs to fix this before starcraft 2 turns into broodwar that pretty much got hacked outside of iccup and what not.


that's juan..?


juan is avilo (all lowercase)

there's another account Avilo
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 10:43:13
July 18 2013 10:42 GMT
#6474
On July 18 2013 14:06 playa wrote:
Do you see me saying "this barcode hacks" or "hendralisk hacks"? I haven't accused anyone in this thread of hacking that hasn't been banned for hacking. Cham would be the first, if legit. I hadn't played him before. You're right, I usually use the same opening until I find something better. I expect to get countered. But, I also expect people to scout for a third, given I play macro games. And, if I only go for a fast'ish drop in one very specific instance, I don't expect it to get read like a book, when they don't even know I have a warp prism on the map. Your reaction time can't be perfect, all game long, when you're playing with no information.

I'm just saying, if this guy keeps getting suspected of hacking, next time he plays a tournament, can his replays be checked after every series/game. There's no reason for this guy to able to get accused every month, yet plan on knocking out players in WCS.


Stop using your horrible arguments to convince people to believe that he hacks. If you think he hacks, get a replay of him and prove it in this thread through the replay. Otherwise, shut up about it.

Just because you haven't accused anyone incorrectly doesn't mean your next accusations aren't going to be incorrect. Stop using that as a reason behind why your accusations are legitimate. If your accusations are legitimate, you have no need to back up your own credibility. And as well, no one cares whether people think you're a hacker yourself.

Stop analyzing replays with the idea that he is hacking. Your entire analysis was that "he should have done this", or "why was he prepared for this." If you don't know, it's entirely possible for players to plan ahead of time, just in case. Being prepared for an attack that they haven't scouted doesn't mean that they don't know it's coming, and it doesn't mean that they couldn't have just said, "it might be coming." Your arguments are pathetically weak, and based off of your own completely biased analysis. Either post a replay or stop trying to incriminate him. It doesn't matter whether he's an actual hacker if you're not posting real evidence.

No one is here to do your dirty work for you - if you think someone's hacking or have a personal motive against them, then show it. But no one else is actively going to scrutinize people's lives and replays just to look for a sliver of a possibility of them hacking. No one is that bored with their life. If you're so adamant about this, it's up to you to do so, otherwise move on with your life.
There is no one like you in the universe.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 11:23:51
July 18 2013 11:18 GMT
#6475
On July 18 2013 19:42 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 14:06 playa wrote:
Do you see me saying "this barcode hacks" or "hendralisk hacks"? I haven't accused anyone in this thread of hacking that hasn't been banned for hacking. Cham would be the first, if legit. I hadn't played him before. You're right, I usually use the same opening until I find something better. I expect to get countered. But, I also expect people to scout for a third, given I play macro games. And, if I only go for a fast'ish drop in one very specific instance, I don't expect it to get read like a book, when they don't even know I have a warp prism on the map. Your reaction time can't be perfect, all game long, when you're playing with no information.

I'm just saying, if this guy keeps getting suspected of hacking, next time he plays a tournament, can his replays be checked after every series/game. There's no reason for this guy to able to get accused every month, yet plan on knocking out players in WCS.


Stop using your horrible arguments to convince people to believe that he hacks. If you think he hacks, get a replay of him and prove it in this thread through the replay. Otherwise, shut up about it.

Just because you haven't accused anyone incorrectly doesn't mean your next accusations aren't going to be incorrect. Stop using that as a reason behind why your accusations are legitimate. If your accusations are legitimate, you have no need to back up your own credibility. And as well, no one cares whether people think you're a hacker yourself.

Stop analyzing replays with the idea that he is hacking. Your entire analysis was that "he should have done this", or "why was he prepared for this." If you don't know, it's entirely possible for players to plan ahead of time, just in case. Being prepared for an attack that they haven't scouted doesn't mean that they don't know it's coming, and it doesn't mean that they couldn't have just said, "it might be coming." Your arguments are pathetically weak, and based off of your own completely biased analysis. Either post a replay or stop trying to incriminate him. It doesn't matter whether he's an actual hacker if you're not posting real evidence.

No one is here to do your dirty work for you - if you think someone's hacking or have a personal motive against them, then show it. But no one else is actively going to scrutinize people's lives and replays just to look for a sliver of a possibility of them hacking. No one is that bored with their life. If you're so adamant about this, it's up to you to do so, otherwise move on with your life.


On June 10 2013 06:29 kckkryptonite wrote:
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On January 22 2013 05:27 Grimmyman123 wrote:
On January 20 2013 15:57 city42 wrote:
On January 20 2013 15:37 Grimmyman123 wrote:
If you don't mind uploading a few that would be great.
Thing is, while he admits to hacking, he only admits to it having been done on a different account. That is enough proof for us, but that is not enough for Blizz for this exact account. To get a replay would be icing on the cake.

drop.sc won't let me upload a pack without signing up for some premium service, so I uploaded it here.


Player: Isuruscham aka Cham
Rank: GM
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2680634/1/Cham/

Several replays were provided. My note are as follows.

Daybreak LE (82)
1:20 Looks around under guise of overlord clicks
2:12 Looks around again
5:21 Moves zerglings back to address cannons to which he has no vision at his 3rd.

Antiga Shipyard (55)
10:00 Looks around in base
11:30 Looks again
12:20 Loos at army before engaging

]cloud kingdom LE (3)
6:05 - sends lings to get probe
6:07 - Peeks at gases
6:58 - Looks at Zealot
7:00 Looks at empty main
8:29 - Peeks fast
11:27 Looks at army
13:22 peeks at front of base
14:00 positions army left side of map in response to opponent movement

DAybreak (261)
1:06 Good looking around
13:09 Looks back at natural expo
13:30 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
14:04 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
15:10 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.

Antiga Shipyard
6 Pool. Scouts lucky.

Daybreay (231)
Nothing notable, usual fascination with checking and double checking his scouting overlords and looking around where they are going.

Entombed Valley (197)
Scouts Verticle position start. (pre patch?) !!!
4:00 Frequent looks
4:45 Probe at his 3rd.
8:20 looks at front wall
12:20 looks at front wall off
15:01 Auto inject? injects so fast.
16:04 Same as above

Cloud kingdom (189)
Scouts a 4gate by protoss with no expo, and expands to his 3rd at 5:46 after protoss takes his expo. Has virtually no army.
6:30 fast peek at attack incoming
odd thing, his vision shows the timer on hallucinated phoenix. ??
19:48 Peeks at protoss 4th.

Entombed Valley (87)
5:32 peeks at front
9:00 Takes blind 4th after opponent expands with 20 lings as sole defense.

Entombed Valley (86)
6pools close by ground positions. Lucky.

Shakuras Plateau (63)
"Finds" probe with lings at 3rd
9:20 - Push moves out, no vision, instantly makes static defenses at natural and 3rd bases
13:00 Looks at observer
15:21 Peeks through Fog at stalkers shooting at rocks.

Replay # 296889 vs Revelations
-Looks at front wall severall times
-Sends lings to front wall which is not completed.

Several instances are key and are sure tells for me:
Addressing the unknown Cannons on Daybreak LE (82);
Expanding to 3rd though an impending and scouted 4gate or similar push is incoming Cloud kingdom (189);
Taking a blind 4th on Entombed Valley (87);
and the solid look at the stalkers breaking down rocks on Shakuras Plateau (63)

NOTE: This player hides peeks and looks through fog of war VERY well, under the guise of overlord or army units. One example of this is on Cloud Kingdom, as well as other maps, where he will move the army and click on the ramp or near the wall, get his look, and then move elsewhere on the map. The force sometimes is so small that it is obvious there is no intent to attack, and often times does not even poke to see what defense or units are present. This is especially evident on 4 player maps, where he will often send out the overlords to scout, and a GREAT deal of attention to the overlord scouting the proper position will be made, clicking and looking at the opponents base, though actual position not yet scouted proper.
If an overlord has vision of an area, almost always the player is looking at the fog of war near this overlord, not at what the overlord actually has vision of. Having watched MANY replays, his vision habits regarding scouting overlords is not normal or even close to it. He's constantly looking around "moving" his overlords in the opponents base and area.

My Opinion. The player is using a production tab hack and map hack and is exceedingly smart about it, and disguses most peeks as "movements" of units or overlords. Possible inject hack or assist is employed.


IMO, Cham is a definite maphacker, guy always blind counters my builds, intercepts drops. Grossly obvious.


People have already uploaded replays of him and analyzed them. Apparently quite a few people think he hacks. I haven't seen anyone looking at his games and thinking he's legit. Instead, I've even heard that he has admitted to hacking on one of his accounts (perhaps he later played it off as a joke). If you're getting accused this much of hacking and your tournament series aren't vetted, then there's no reason for anyone to not hack. I'm not saying give the guy the benefit of the doubt or not to. I'm just saying watch his replays.

It makes no sense for this guy to be able to play in tournaments and everyone just gives him the benefit of the doubt because he did well in some offline tournament. Naming WCS Mexico is especially a joke. I'm surprised they were able to even find 32 players for the tournament.
Fusa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada148 Posts
July 18 2013 11:54 GMT
#6476
If you are going to accuse someone upload a replay, and do some analysis
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
July 18 2013 11:59 GMT
#6477
If you're so worried about it, go follow the guy and message the tournament organizers with your evidence while keeping a track of the conversation, and if you feel they've unsatisfactorily handled the situation, raise it up with a thread on TeamLiquid, Reddit and any other communities you feel is relevant. Continuing to post in here saying "something should be done" is completely incompetent. Go and get it done yourself, because honestly, your shitty posting here with extremely flimsy arguments is not helping your case against him, regardless of whether he hacks or not.

If you believe that this is a big issue and needs to be addressed, go and raise the issue up somehow. Just stop de-legitimizing your points with blanket statements concerning personal credibility, or analyzing replays without actually providing a replay. Furthermore, posting in this thread asking people to bring up more evidence is the weakest way to getting action done.
There is no one like you in the universe.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
July 18 2013 12:30 GMT
#6478

message the tournament organizers


That's a terrible advice. If it's not true it could ruin the player nonetheless !
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Missing-No
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada50 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 12:37:08
July 18 2013 12:35 GMT
#6479
This is my third or fourth hacker that i've posted here....

Hacker name: FoV
Server : NA
League : Master
Replay: http://drop.sc/349444

In game I accused this crappy player as a maphacker because he knew where my drops were headed along with looking at my army/expansions/base and bringing his infestors to fungal my army without any type of vision i.e no burrowed lings/creep spread/overlords. I still won the game and after watching the replay and analyzing it, this is a maphacker 100% also he's probably from EU or had to buy a new account because he has only played 63 games this season.
Hertzy
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland355 Posts
July 18 2013 12:48 GMT
#6480
On July 18 2013 21:30 FFW_Rude wrote:
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message the tournament organizers


That's a terrible advice. If it's not true it could ruin the player nonetheless !


I doubt any organizer worth their salt would act on a "This guise hacken!!!" message without seeing some proof.
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