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On April 25 2013 02:01 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:38 Sokrates wrote:On April 24 2013 22:01 ThatSweatyNerd wrote:On April 24 2013 16:11 Sokrates wrote:Ok the number1 hackerbuster on NA has maybe scored again!!!1 http://drop.sc/327095Name: [tlag]lagmentality Server: NA League: Masters I m not 100% sure about this but something really fishy is going on. In this game i went for a banebust, he has no scouting info besides i took gas (which is very common these days against reaper). He totally prepares for a banebust, he builds two bunker and a depotwall in front of the bunker, he also hides his marines behind the bunker preemptively. According to him he did that big investment because he saw _one_ drone mining gas (so he lacks a lot in gamesense when you think that you can banebust off of one drone). He might be really bad to do that kind of investment but then i noticed something else. If you have his vision and you already finished the replay an go back to 7:00min the camera comes out from a really weird angle every time you do this. And guess what is going on at 7.00min? I morph my banelings at his third... So if somebody can have a look at this i would be glad. Somebody was talking about this camera stuff in this thread but i cant find it. I highly doubt this, he is on my team, so I watch his stream and he does not hack. Besides, your evidence isn't 100% convincing. On April 24 2013 22:32 Xonix wrote:On April 24 2013 22:01 ThatSweatyNerd wrote:On April 24 2013 16:11 Sokrates wrote:Ok the number1 hackerbuster on NA has maybe scored again!!!1 http://drop.sc/327095Name: [tlag]lagmentality Server: NA League: Masters I m not 100% sure about this but something really fishy is going on. In this game i went for a banebust, he has no scouting info besides i took gas (which is very common these days against reaper). He totally prepares for a banebust, he builds two bunker and a depotwall in front of the bunker, he also hides his marines behind the bunker preemptively. According to him he did that big investment because he saw _one_ drone mining gas (so he lacks a lot in gamesense when you think that you can banebust off of one drone). He might be really bad to do that kind of investment but then i noticed something else. If you have his vision and you already finished the replay an go back to 7:00min the camera comes out from a really weird angle every time you do this. And guess what is going on at 7.00min? I morph my banelings at his third... So if somebody can have a look at this i would be glad. Somebody was talking about this camera stuff in this thread but i cant find it. I highly doubt this, he is on my team, so I watch his stream and he does not hack. Besides, your evidence isn't 100% convincing. I double his post. He is also one of my players and I'm 100% sure that he doesn't hack. I will have a look at the replay though On April 24 2013 22:34 Xonix wrote:On April 24 2013 16:11 Sokrates wrote:Ok the number1 hackerbuster on NA has maybe scored again!!!1 http://drop.sc/327095Name: [tlag]lagmentality Server: NA League: Masters I m not 100% sure about this but something really fishy is going on. In this game i went for a banebust, he has no scouting info besides i took gas (which is very common these days against reaper). He totally prepares for a banebust, he builds two bunker and a depotwall in front of the bunker, he also hides his marines behind the bunker preemptively. According to him he did that big investment because he saw _one_ drone mining gas (so he lacks a lot in gamesense when you think that you can banebust off of one drone). He might be really bad to do that kind of investment but then i noticed something else. If you have his vision and you already finished the replay an go back to 7:00min the camera comes out from a really weird angle every time you do this. And guess what is going on at 7.00min? I morph my banelings at his third... So if somebody can have a look at this i would be glad. Somebody was talking about this camera stuff in this thread but i cant find it. "05:58 [All] IIIIIlllll: sick maphack 06:12 [All] [TLaG]LaGMentalitY: no. 06:17 [All] IIIIIlllll: no lol 06:54 [All] IIIIIlllll: sad fuck 07:19 [All] IIIIIlllll: ah i remember 07:24 [All] IIIIIlllll: you have been added to the TL hacker list 07:29 [All] IIIIIlllll: for everyone to see what a pathetic fuck you are 07:51 [All] [TLaG]LaGMentalitY: no more shit plz 07:55 [All] IIIIIlllll: rofl" 1. Like nunez and others have stated, you can hack and still stream, he made a big post in this thread regarding streaming and hacking. 2.It is not just the preparation for the banelingbust, it is also the really odd camera movement at 7:00min if your skip back to this point which is strong evidence for a camera lock aka maphack. 3.I flame if i play hackers and 90% of the time the accusation is right, you can see that if you follow my other posts in this thread. I m not sure what your point is by quoteting this  . I wanted to contact you about this anyway, i was on your clanpage and also added the members of other people you played against to my bnetcontact list, so i m glad you found this post. you are diff jumping the gun, the replays you provide does not prove a thing, he failed his proxy, so the obs thing to do vs zerg is bunker up, as above mentioned, bane/roach busts are the meta and common, I would of done the same in his spot. Seems like way to many people this month are just saying map hack when they lose games, since after the Phys lee thing, Seeing more and more people jumping the gun and crying map hack. Just relax and use some commons sense and re watch the replays you provided, they are pretty legit. You would notice cam locks and other fishy behavior if he did use mh in the replays you provided.
I brought 7-9 hackers on that list with blantant hacking. I m not just doing this since the physicallee thing (where i also have a replay proofing he is hacking).
I also agree on you that this is little evidence by only watching the game and him preparing for the banebust. But the really suspicous thing is the "bug" of the camera at 7:00min. If that ONLY happens if you use screenlock at that time then you have evidence. If such a thing also happens in games of legit players, feel free to say i m wrong.
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WaShiNGjApe GM on NA server now -.- cmon blizzard please.
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On April 24 2013 14:37 ThomasR wrote:Name: Ashfall http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/852615/1/Ashfall/League: HotS 1500 Masters Server: EU info: blind triple bunker against my roach aggression (after i scouted his attempt to proxy 2 rax). he did not even see anything in my base (no scan, no scv scout etc, no information as to whether i took a quick third or not). maybe he figured he should play safe??...but idk..you guys decide http://drop.sc/325273
I've played him as well on my barcode and I found him to be doing very suspect stuff.
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On April 25 2013 02:09 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:01 LingBlingBling wrote:On April 25 2013 01:38 Sokrates wrote:On April 24 2013 22:01 ThatSweatyNerd wrote:On April 24 2013 16:11 Sokrates wrote:Ok the number1 hackerbuster on NA has maybe scored again!!!1 http://drop.sc/327095Name: [tlag]lagmentality Server: NA League: Masters I m not 100% sure about this but something really fishy is going on. In this game i went for a banebust, he has no scouting info besides i took gas (which is very common these days against reaper). He totally prepares for a banebust, he builds two bunker and a depotwall in front of the bunker, he also hides his marines behind the bunker preemptively. According to him he did that big investment because he saw _one_ drone mining gas (so he lacks a lot in gamesense when you think that you can banebust off of one drone). He might be really bad to do that kind of investment but then i noticed something else. If you have his vision and you already finished the replay an go back to 7:00min the camera comes out from a really weird angle every time you do this. And guess what is going on at 7.00min? I morph my banelings at his third... So if somebody can have a look at this i would be glad. Somebody was talking about this camera stuff in this thread but i cant find it. I highly doubt this, he is on my team, so I watch his stream and he does not hack. Besides, your evidence isn't 100% convincing. On April 24 2013 22:32 Xonix wrote:On April 24 2013 22:01 ThatSweatyNerd wrote:On April 24 2013 16:11 Sokrates wrote:Ok the number1 hackerbuster on NA has maybe scored again!!!1 http://drop.sc/327095Name: [tlag]lagmentality Server: NA League: Masters I m not 100% sure about this but something really fishy is going on. In this game i went for a banebust, he has no scouting info besides i took gas (which is very common these days against reaper). He totally prepares for a banebust, he builds two bunker and a depotwall in front of the bunker, he also hides his marines behind the bunker preemptively. According to him he did that big investment because he saw _one_ drone mining gas (so he lacks a lot in gamesense when you think that you can banebust off of one drone). He might be really bad to do that kind of investment but then i noticed something else. If you have his vision and you already finished the replay an go back to 7:00min the camera comes out from a really weird angle every time you do this. And guess what is going on at 7.00min? I morph my banelings at his third... So if somebody can have a look at this i would be glad. Somebody was talking about this camera stuff in this thread but i cant find it. I highly doubt this, he is on my team, so I watch his stream and he does not hack. Besides, your evidence isn't 100% convincing. I double his post. He is also one of my players and I'm 100% sure that he doesn't hack. I will have a look at the replay though On April 24 2013 22:34 Xonix wrote:On April 24 2013 16:11 Sokrates wrote:Ok the number1 hackerbuster on NA has maybe scored again!!!1 http://drop.sc/327095Name: [tlag]lagmentality Server: NA League: Masters I m not 100% sure about this but something really fishy is going on. In this game i went for a banebust, he has no scouting info besides i took gas (which is very common these days against reaper). He totally prepares for a banebust, he builds two bunker and a depotwall in front of the bunker, he also hides his marines behind the bunker preemptively. According to him he did that big investment because he saw _one_ drone mining gas (so he lacks a lot in gamesense when you think that you can banebust off of one drone). He might be really bad to do that kind of investment but then i noticed something else. If you have his vision and you already finished the replay an go back to 7:00min the camera comes out from a really weird angle every time you do this. And guess what is going on at 7.00min? I morph my banelings at his third... So if somebody can have a look at this i would be glad. Somebody was talking about this camera stuff in this thread but i cant find it. "05:58 [All] IIIIIlllll: sick maphack 06:12 [All] [TLaG]LaGMentalitY: no. 06:17 [All] IIIIIlllll: no lol 06:54 [All] IIIIIlllll: sad fuck 07:19 [All] IIIIIlllll: ah i remember 07:24 [All] IIIIIlllll: you have been added to the TL hacker list 07:29 [All] IIIIIlllll: for everyone to see what a pathetic fuck you are 07:51 [All] [TLaG]LaGMentalitY: no more shit plz 07:55 [All] IIIIIlllll: rofl" 1. Like nunez and others have stated, you can hack and still stream, he made a big post in this thread regarding streaming and hacking. 2.It is not just the preparation for the banelingbust, it is also the really odd camera movement at 7:00min if your skip back to this point which is strong evidence for a camera lock aka maphack. 3.I flame if i play hackers and 90% of the time the accusation is right, you can see that if you follow my other posts in this thread. I m not sure what your point is by quoteting this . I wanted to contact you about this anyway, i was on your clanpage and also added the members of other people you played against to my bnetcontact list, so i m glad you found this post. you are diff jumping the gun, the replays you provide does not prove a thing, he failed his proxy, so the obs thing to do vs zerg is bunker up, as above mentioned, bane/roach busts are the meta and common, I would of done the same in his spot. Seems like way to many people this month are just saying map hack when they lose games, since after the Phys lee thing, Seeing more and more people jumping the gun and crying map hack. Just relax and use some commons sense and re watch the replays you provided, they are pretty legit. You would notice cam locks and other fishy behavior if he did use mh in the replays you provided. I brought 7-9 hackers on that list with blantant hacking. I m not just doing this since the physicallee thing (where i also have a replay proofing he is hacking). I also agree on you that this is little evidence by only watching the game and him preparing for the banebust. But the really suspicous thing is the "bug" of the camera at 7:00min. If that ONLY happens if you use screenlock at that time then you have evidence. If such a thing also happens in games of legit players, feel free to say i m wrong.
I'm going to bet you're wrong.
He saw that you mined more than 100 gas, he saw that you left all three drones on after the gas, he saw that you tried faking a legitimate build by only taking two drones off gas after the initial 100 is mined, so based on this, If I was the terran, I too would build a second bunker.
I think you need to calm the fuck down and not yell at people in your games. If they're a hacker wait until you actually have some solid evidence, it allows you to avoid looking like a fool (which you've done here so gracefully). If I was nunez I'd be a lot more cautious reviewing any replays that you submit. I think you have some sort of "ive caught a lot of hackers so I know a hacker when I see one" mentality, which is something thats fine if you take the time to review the players, but to just lash out like you did was just... sad.
Regarding the camera lock that you keep referring to, I'm just not seeing it. I watched the game 3+ times, twice from the Terrans angle, and I don't see anything with his camera at 7. If you're talking about the bug where the camera moves off the map / around weird when you click around the game time, thats been completely normal for as long as I can remember.
What annoys me most is... here you say this...
"if your skip back to this point which is strong evidence for a camera lock aka maphack."
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"But the really suspicous thing is the "bug" of the camera at 7:00min. If that ONLY happens if you use screenlock at that time then you have evidence. If such a thing also happens in games of legit players, feel free to say i m wrong."
So you say that its strong evidence for this dude hacking, then you say oh that could possibly be something legit. Well which is it mr accuser?
You owe this guy and his entire team an apology, go accuse someone when you get a good amount of evidence.
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Gillion maybe you should post the replay then.
@ Thomas, you're making accusations cause of 3 blind bunkers after a cancelled proxy 2 rax into a cc first then call out for map hack. No wonder Blizzard doesn't give a shit about this thread when so many people randomly call out to 'map hack'. (Tarnishing people's reputations at the same time)
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Oh yeah, the new metagame: Mine 50 more gas let one drone in the gysier and then every terran freaks out builds bunkers and plays defensive. I can see it from here.
I ASKED for opinions about this guy, i wanted people with a lot of knowledge to have a look on this game. I might be wrong, i also said that before. But then again i see a replay of a guy that panically prepares for a banebust after all the info he has is 1 drone mining gas after speed, has no scouting on the map (like bringing an additional scv to check if i take a third) and then right when i morph the banelings at 7:00min the camera freaks out if you jump back to that point.
May be all coincidence but then again, i doubt that. But that is just my opinion and that is why i asked for additional ones.
And then again, check my other replays i uploaded and tell me again that i m just a hysteric guy that randomly accuses others. Yeah i may do wrong accusations in rage and then i rewatch the game and see nothing evident and leave it there.
So dont you ACCUSE me for being a hysterical guy that randomly cries out "hacker hacker" in this thread without any evidence.
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On April 25 2013 02:43 Sokrates wrote:
Oh yeah, the new metagame: Mine 50 more gas let one drone in the gysier and then every terran freaks out builds bunkers and plays defensive. I can see it from here.
I ASKED for opinions about this guy, i wanted people with a lot of knowledge to have a look on this game. I might be wrong, i also said that before. But then again i see a replay of a guy that panically prepares for a banebust after all the info he has is 1 drone mining gas after speed, has no scouting on the map (like bringing an additional scv to check if i take a third) and then right when i morph the banelings at 7:00min the camera freaks out if you jump back to that point.
May be all coincidence but then again, i doubt that. But that is just my opinion and that is why i asked for additional ones.
And then again, check my other replays i uploaded and tell me again that i m just a hysteric guy that randomly accuses others. Yeah i may do wrong accusations in rage and then i rewatch the game and see nothing evident and leave it there.
So dont you ACCUSE me for being a hysterical guy that randomly cries out "hacker hacker" in this thread without any evidence.
I don't need to look at your other replays to know that you're a "hysteric" guy when you immediately started accusing this guy despite not even looking at the replay and screamed like a hysterical child when you thought you caught him.
"Sad fuck"
"uploading this so everyone can see what a pathetic fuck you are"
"So dont you ACCUSE me for being a hysterical guy that randomly cries out "hacker hacker" in this thread without any evidence."
Yeah, you're a "hysteric" guy. You accused someone of hacking without evidence and what you did was absolutely childish and sad. And instead of being an adult about it and admitting you were wrong and apologizing, you'd rather defend yourself by acting like a child even further.
"Oh yeah, the new metagame: Mine 50 more gas let one drone in the gysier and then every terran freaks out builds bunkers and plays defensive. I can see it from here."
I, as others have said, would have reacted the exact same way as the terran based on what the terran saw. I really see nothing suspicious about his play as he saw that you continued to mine gas and built an additional bunker, not a bad response by him.
I don't think hes a hacker, and I feel pity for you since you'd rather defend your accusation than to make amends with the person you accused without evidence (you yelled and cussed at him without any evidence(you're in game, at least wait till you watch the replay jesus christ), the irony of you calling him sad...).
EDIT: just watched between 6-7:40 twice in a row, now I see what you're freaking out about. I have that camera bug every 4 or 5 games I watch, and it happens on my perspective as well. It's only when you back up like you said.
Watching from your perspective in this same exact replay I got the same bug to happen.
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So basically all you have is pointing out that i m hysterical guy in that replay. Wow that is a strong point against that replay and the things i said. Makes sense.
Also your reading skills arent the best, i said IN THIS THREAD. As i said before i make wrong accusations in game, then i rewatch the replay and if i find nothing i leave it there and i wont post it in this thread. I was also accused of being a hacker in game a lot, i couldnt care less.
And it is NOT just the extreme preparation by the little info he got, it was also the really odd camera movement right the moment i morph the banelings.
Ok i thought that bug only occurs when you have camera lock on, ok then i m sry for accusing him as a hacker.
I didnt know that terrans freak out so hard when you mine 50more gas with one drone °_°.
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On April 25 2013 03:06 Sokrates wrote:
So basically all you have is pointing out that i m hysterical guy in that replay. Wow that is a strong point against that replay and the things i said. Makes sense.
Also your reading skills arent the best, i said IN THIS THREAD. As i said before i make wrong accusations in game, then i rewatch the replay and if i find nothing i leave it there and i wont post it in this thread. I was also accused of being a hacker in game a lot, i couldnt care less.
And it is NOT just the extreme preparation by the little info he got, it was also the really odd camera movement right the moment i morph the banelings.
My reading skills are perfectly fine, I think yours must be off. I understand exactly what you're saying, I'm merely saying that you accusing him without any evidence was disgusting. I'm talking about your in-game accusation. How can you accuse a guy based on that game, from your perspective, that he hacks? Nothing about that would have been suspicious to me if I was in your position. I would have immediately thought "oh I let him scout my gas for too long and he just played extra cautious". Or I would have thought "maybe he scouted that I didn't take an early third"(you didn't know this as you were in game right?). I don't care about your other accusations, not at all, nada, I'm discussing this and your behavior in this only. He didn't have "little" info. He saw you getting ling speed and continuing to mine gas after, what is he going to expect hmm? Roaches or a banebust most likely, and he continued his build the same way he would have done it had you bane busted or not most likely. He only added an additional bunker and you immediately scream hacks. + Bunkers can be salvaged by the way. It's not like he immediately teched to mines and built a solid wall, or triple bunkered, or preemptively set up scvs to repair. Everything looks normal to me from his view.
From my edited portion
"EDIT: just watched between 6-7:40 twice in a row, now I see what you're freaking out about. I have that camera bug every 4 or 5 games I watch, and it happens on my perspective as well. It's only when you back up like you said.
Watching from your perspective in this same exact replay I got the same bug to happen around 6:50 for your perspective."
And don't apologize here apologize to him and his team. You went out of your way to contact his team because you so vehemently believed your unfounded accusation, you can go out of your way to write them a nice message or something can't you? I'm going to lunch.
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I still dont get it why terrans freak out so hard if you mine a bit more than 100 gas, that is just stupid if you ask me. But then another thing learned, just mine 50more gas and the terran will freak out (and i m not being sarcastic here), i can use that in my play now, i never knew it was such a "tell".
I didnt contact his team, i was about to but they found this thread themselves, so i will apologize here.
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I have to say, I don't think Sokrates is completely in the wrong here. It was a suspicious moment in a suspicious game, and he wasn't wrong to ask about it in this thread. He didn't say it was guaranteed in his post, he just suggested others should take a look. Frankly, the game IS fishy.
That being said, I've played Mentality before and have never felt anything off, so I don't truly suspect him. Just don't jump down people's throat for posting a replay for review just because you know the guy.
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On April 25 2013 03:22 Zennith wrote:
I have to say, I don't think Sokrates is completely in the wrong here. It was a suspicious moment in a suspicious game, and he wasn't wrong to ask about it in this thread. He didn't say it was guaranteed in his post, he just suggested others should take a look. Frankly, the game IS fishy.
That being said, I've played Mentality before and have never felt anything off, so I don't truly suspect him. Just don't jump down people's throat for posting a replay for review just because you know the guy.
Yeah it was really fishy for me, and i didnt know that the camera freak out is a common bug. It just fell at exactly that moment i was morphing the banes, that is why i asked for opinions here. I wouldnt have posted the replay here if it was just the baneling defense.
And then again, you get really paranoid these days, and most of the time i accused a guy being a hacker i was right about that. The NA ladder is full of hackers. I was wrong this time and i m sry. Still this gas thing makes me really mad, for whatever reason ^_^.
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Hello, with some friends we watch a 1v1 and we found the Z called TROLLGAME from EUROPE very suspicious.
Could you confirm that this guy is an hacker ?
http://drop.sc/327183
He was always looking through the fog of war (caught médivac without seeing anything) and he is master with a skill of gold.
Thank
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Hi papKake.
I watched the video carefully, he managed to kill just one single medivac, I do not think that player uses a hack because it was attacked several times its main base. and saw nothing!
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Well, he is always in the fog of war, which looks very weird. He was silver last season and now Master with an awful macro. Very weird in my mind
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with a name like "trollgame" maybe he has a second account, it may be his troll account
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he is just bad, I think it sucks, it's up master by causing the rush, but I do not think he uses a maphack, it undergoes drop its main base, and he has not seen the attack
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On April 25 2013 02:42 ashfall wrote:
Gillion maybe you should post the replay then.
@ Thomas, you're making accusations cause of 3 blind bunkers after a cancelled proxy 2 rax into a cc first then call out for map hack. No wonder Blizzard doesn't give a shit about this thread when so many people randomly call out to 'map hack'. (Tarnishing people's reputations at the same time)
I find that ironic because you accused me of maphack in the same very games.
http://drop.sc/327206
http://drop.sc/327207
The one thing that I remember standing out the most was how he on the newkirk game maneuvers perfectly alongside the hellbat drop while it's still in fog of war, with all of his units, completely negating any other entrance point.
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Hacker name: PhilAyvi
Server: EU
League: Masters
Description: Hides it pretty well but his screen movement seems kinda choppy and lock-ish? Either way, the big giveaway is the blind stim in at 30:00. Watch his vision from 29:50, notice how random it is and the weird camera movements. I'm not the mh expert, but it sure does sound off the alarm for me.
Replay: http://drop.sc/327209
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Your hellion batt drops were scouted ages ago before you actually dropped, Gillon. Securing both your main and expand with vikings seems the logical thing to do. But keep trying please.
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