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On August 20 2012 17:21 EtherealDeath wrote:Ideas from dreams are amazing. Here is someone to maybe be wary of. Method: the forum on which one of the most popular paid hacks is distributed on is closed for viewing except to paid members (aka hack buyers). Since I'm not a paid member, would seem there's nothing to extract... but! The registered user list is public (ty google). There are about 3300 users total. So.. to hell with going through the entire list. I found an interesting name, two HMMMs, and a few other people who I didn't name because they are either just diamond 1v1 but masters team game assholes who I happened to notice on a glance, or they are people I think are legitimately good who took at look at the hack but never bought it, or because they have somewhat of a community presence (although not so large as to be someone I imagine who get posed as on such a site) and I don't want to have a case of mistaken identity, and other info I have suggests it probably isn't them. Note that as far as I know, this hack was not pay to use until patch 1.5. VIP Member = Paying Member mKcPandaLove 07-25-2012 VIP MemberAnd questionables... + Show Spoiler +Anyhows, one would have to be a retard or a not-give-a-fuck to use one's main sc2 account name to register on a paid hacking forum with a public member list (and shit you can use numbers in the name as well.
Interesting find. I extracted the public members list for that forum and indeed it gives some interesting statistics: 3333 users from which 2413 junior members (non-paying?) and 920 others (vips, admins, etc). I believe this hack was also originally pay-to-use, but the creator opened it in drug-dealer-fassion for v. 1.4.3 and closed it in the following patch again.
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I dont hack, that's someone making a troll account trying to frame me. why would I be so dumb to name myself mkcpandalove in the hack forums -_-
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its funny that ppl accuse ppl of hacking if u always beat them, but yet they have no replays of me hacking for so many seasons, not even one.
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i'd love to see TeamLiquid get its own ladder within BNet. With top level hacker policeman being guys like Kenningit, HotBid, and maybe TL.Net team members.
I'd pay a monthly fee to be on this kind of ladder.
If TL bans someone who actually isn't hacking its their own reputation that suffers.
If TL.Net does a great job managing this ladder and tens of thousands use it then they can make oodles of cash. 
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I know of hack forums, I should probably check up on those occasionally, to catch them red handed!
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I think some of the hacking accusations might be a bit too trigger-happy. Especially those that involve situations when the player could theoretically be targetting orders via the minimap or is supposedly peeking through fog of war but not visibly acting on information. Some people actually do that in RTS games. Looking at enemy base to refresh your memory about what buildings are there or the positioning. Following the topography of the map while processing push scenarios in your head. Landing a scan via minimap with or without looking there later (especially in team games and/or when you just scan for cloaked/burrowed units). Even once in a hundred games actually microing a unit through minimap (without jumping screen and actually looking at the unit, kinda like paladin healing in WC3) (obviously, you still need to have the unit selected, and this happens rare anyway).
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On August 22 2012 07:45 mKcPandaLove wrote:
I dont hack, that's someone making a troll account trying to frame me. why would I be so dumb to name myself mkcpandalove in the hack forums -_-
I suppose it could be the case, but I'd like to point out that now the VIP status has been transferred away from the mKcPandaLove account to another account. I am unable to trace where it went to. So... another coincidence?
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On August 22 2012 10:47 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 07:45 mKcPandaLove wrote:
I dont hack, that's someone making a troll account trying to frame me. why would I be so dumb to name myself mkcpandalove in the hack forums -_- I suppose it could be the case, but I'd like to point out that now the VIP status has been transferred away from the mKcPandaLove account to another account. I am unable to trace where it went to. So... another coincidence?
Who knows where it went to, but there's a reason why no one has any replays of me hacking. cuz I don't hack! And I have a few haters that are trying to ruin my reputation in the sc2 community. Perhaps you might be on of those haters. I would appreciate it, if you stop accusing me of hacking with no real evidence. Thank you.
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So how do we know that someone on a hacking site is using their real BNet name? Is there some sort of rule on those forums that you can't register under the name of another player?
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On August 22 2012 11:33 Psychologic wrote:
So how do we know that someone on a hacking site is using their real BNet name? Is there some sort of rule on those forums that you can't register under the name of another player?
Here's the deal, as was posted on this page.
You gather a list of paid users (assuming its true, the list had to have spent money, and the likely reason was to gain the hack) and compare that to Battle.net masters/grandmasters. When you have matches, kinda post as suspect. When the users registered, they may well have thought only paying maphacker members would ever know who they were, so what would be the purpose of making a different username than the one you are used to.
With the connections out, people actively playing on ladder against these masters can remember their names and skim through the replay afterwords to see if something was amiss. Until this step, it could be coincidence or deliberate framing (imagine if there was an EG_IdrA registered, we would dismiss that, but others might not have as good of advocates).
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Not sure if it's been said but Impa aka fnatictricky is deezer. at least he said so on Slush's stream...a couple of days ago
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On August 22 2012 11:40 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:33 Psychologic wrote:
So how do we know that someone on a hacking site is using their real BNet name? Is there some sort of rule on those forums that you can't register under the name of another player? Here's the deal, as was posted on this page. You gather a list of paid users (assuming its true, the list had to have spent money, and the likely reason was to gain the hack) and compare that to Battle.net masters/grandmasters. When you have matches, kinda post as suspect. When the users registered, they may well have thought only paying maphacker members would ever know who they were, so what would be the purpose of making a different username than the one you are used to. With the connections out, people actively playing on ladder against these masters can remember their names and skim through the replay afterwords to see if something was amiss. Until this step, it could be coincidence or deliberate framing (imagine if there was an EG_IdrA registered, we would dismiss that, but others might not have as good of advocates).
Yes you have a point, I also want to note that I have many fans and enemies, and some enemies purposely try to ruin my reputation and even going to the point of making a real sc2 account called "mKcPandaHack". So someone making an account in the hacking forums using my exact name is highly likely.
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On August 20 2012 05:32 Neeblet wrote:Heres the rep: http://drop.sc/240707 SKIP TO 19:25 TO SEE HIM ATTACK THE GHOST u can pause at 19:32 to see my ghost completely cloaked with his army attacking it. I really think this guy should get banned, he is terribly obvious.
Watch your own replays man. Your ghost uncloaks because you used all its energy on snipes, and he doesn't attack your ghost until the moment its energy hits zero.
-_-
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On August 22 2012 11:32 mKcPandaLove wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 10:47 EtherealDeath wrote:On August 22 2012 07:45 mKcPandaLove wrote:
I dont hack, that's someone making a troll account trying to frame me. why would I be so dumb to name myself mkcpandalove in the hack forums -_- I suppose it could be the case, but I'd like to point out that now the VIP status has been transferred away from the mKcPandaLove account to another account. I am unable to trace where it went to. So... another coincidence? Who knows where it went to, but there's a reason why no one has any replays of me hacking. cuz I don't hack! And I have a few haters that are trying to ruin my reputation in the sc2 community. Perhaps you might be on of those haters. I would appreciate it, if you stop accusing me of hacking with no real evidence. Thank you.
I don't even know you why would I be one of your haters lol. I'm simply pointing out in a browsing of the registered user list I noticed your name, which I only remembered because I played against you a few times on 2v2 ladder. I think you BM'd like hell, which is why I remember your name, but honestly I don't give a shit either way. It just happened to be one of a small number of names I found which I remembered or think I can tie to someone else's name in some way or shape. Out of those names, excluding deezer, yours was the only straight up 100% match name who happened to be a VIP member.
As I stated, it could just be a coincidence, could be someone else using the name. Which is why I simply said "perhaps someone to be wary of" not "this guy is a maphacker". And for the record, according to Zwei (OP of this thread) in a PM, you are known for hacking from previous seasons, though it had been assumed you stopped. Yet I didn't mention any of this, for a reason - because I didn't want to accuse you.
Now you come here and first defend yourself, saying it's a poser - sure, I already accepted that possibility. So I check the user list again, just wondering - oh hey, the VIP membership's been transferred away from the account... since I last checked 2 days ago. Maybe it's not related to you posting here - so, another coincidence perhaps. Again I didn't accuse you of transferring the VIP membership to another account not with your name on it, though you seem to think I did.
Now you reply saying you have haters, and perhaps I'm one of them. Seriously dude? I don't even know you, and didn't accuse you of hacking, just that your name was on the list. I didn't even mention that there is apparently evidence of you hacking.
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On August 22 2012 11:45 mKcPandaLove wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:40 Danglars wrote:On August 22 2012 11:33 Psychologic wrote:
So how do we know that someone on a hacking site is using their real BNet name? Is there some sort of rule on those forums that you can't register under the name of another player? Here's the deal, as was posted on this page. You gather a list of paid users (assuming its true, the list had to have spent money, and the likely reason was to gain the hack) and compare that to Battle.net masters/grandmasters. When you have matches, kinda post as suspect. When the users registered, they may well have thought only paying maphacker members would ever know who they were, so what would be the purpose of making a different username than the one you are used to. With the connections out, people actively playing on ladder against these masters can remember their names and skim through the replay afterwords to see if something was amiss. Until this step, it could be coincidence or deliberate framing (imagine if there was an EG_IdrA registered, we would dismiss that, but others might not have as good of advocates). Yes you have a point, I also want to note that I have many fans and enemies, and some enemies purposely try to ruin my reputation and even going to the point of making a real sc2 account called "mKcPandaHack". So someone making an account in the hacking forums using my exact name is highly likely.
What mKcPandaHack account are you talking about? I can't find any such accounts on SC2ranks, and google yields absolutely 0 search results. Not saying you're lying, just curious.
On August 22 2012 11:33 Psychologic wrote:
So how do we know that someone on a hacking site is using their real BNet name? Is there some sort of rule on those forums that you can't register under the name of another player?
Doesn't have to be using real bnet name, which is why I said only a retard or a don't-give-a-fuck would do it, unless someone was trying to frame them, which I mentioned framing is a possibility.
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I am a masters player known in the sc2 team gaming community not 1's. I am currently top 25 in NA for 2s random and #1 in the world for arranged teams, and was top10 in 1's in one season when I actually played 1s. I also stream every few weeks for my fans.
So I have played countless games against many people and beat them, There is no doubt I would accumulate many haters as the seasons go by.
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On August 22 2012 11:52 mKcPandaLove wrote:
I am a masters player known in the sc2 team gaming community not 1's. I am currently top 25 in NA for 2s random and #1 in the world for arranged teams, and was top10 in 1's in one season when I actually played 1s. I also stream every few weeks for my fans.
So I have played countless games against many people and beat them, There is no doubt I would accumulate many haters as the seasons go by.
Your stream at http://www.twitch.tv/mkcpandalove which has 73 views total and 3 likes? Lots of fans and haters I'm sure. Whatever I am done getting this thread off topic in here. I'm just going to drop the topic here saying
All I found was some circumstancial evidence involving pandalove's name on a certain hacking form purchase list, it might not be him, it could someone else. In no way do I intend for the original post I made to accuse him of hacking.
My own opinions I already typed in that spoiler the post before, since you want to accuse me of being one of your haters who want to discredit you. Hell, I'll even remove it right now, and keep it to myself.
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On August 22 2012 11:40 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:33 Psychologic wrote:
So how do we know that someone on a hacking site is using their real BNet name? Is there some sort of rule on those forums that you can't register under the name of another player? Here's the deal, as was posted on this page. You gather a list of paid users (assuming its true, the list had to have spent money, and the likely reason was to gain the hack) and compare that to Battle.net masters/grandmasters. When you have matches, kinda post as suspect. When the users registered, they may well have thought only paying maphacker members would ever know who they were, so what would be the purpose of making a different username than the one you are used to. With the connections out, people actively playing on ladder against these masters can remember their names and skim through the replay afterwords to see if something was amiss. Until this step, it could be coincidence or deliberate framing (imagine if there was an EG_IdrA registered, we would dismiss that, but others might not have as good of advocates).
Indeed. E.g. someone having the same username as mKcPandaLove on those forums is not a proof. But some people indeed are sometimes dumb enough (or arrogant) to use their real usernames in places they never should. And most likely the users of those forums thought the user lists would not be public.
But now something smells fishy in the Panda case, as the "paying hack buyer" status was indeed removed from similarly named user max some hours ago. It was still there when Panda posted here first time. The similarly named user's join date there was 2012-07-25. People might want to check if there is something fishy in replays they played against him between 2012-07-25 to this date 2012-08-22. But if you do be sure that the evidence you find is strong enough before blaming.
Edit: separated the similarly named user more clearly in the text.
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On August 22 2012 11:59 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:40 Danglars wrote:On August 22 2012 11:33 Psychologic wrote:
So how do we know that someone on a hacking site is using their real BNet name? Is there some sort of rule on those forums that you can't register under the name of another player? Here's the deal, as was posted on this page. You gather a list of paid users (assuming its true, the list had to have spent money, and the likely reason was to gain the hack) and compare that to Battle.net masters/grandmasters. When you have matches, kinda post as suspect. When the users registered, they may well have thought only paying maphacker members would ever know who they were, so what would be the purpose of making a different username than the one you are used to. With the connections out, people actively playing on ladder against these masters can remember their names and skim through the replay afterwords to see if something was amiss. Until this step, it could be coincidence or deliberate framing (imagine if there was an EG_IdrA registered, we would dismiss that, but others might not have as good of advocates). Indeed. E.g. someone having the same username as mKcPandaLove on those forums is not a proof. But some people indeed are sometimes dumb enough (or arrogant) to use their real usernames in places they never should. And most likely the users of those forums thought the user lists would not be public. But now something smells fishy in the Panda case, as the "paying hack buyer" status was indeed removed from that user max some hours ago. It was still there when Panda posted here first time. His join date there was 2012-07-25. People might want to check if there is something fishy in replays they played against him between 2012-07-25 to this date 2012-08-22.
And I'm not going to say this with reference to Panda in specific or anything, just going to clarify something about the purchase of that hack itself.
As far as I can tell when you buy it, you buy it for perpetuity. Aka there are no renewing payments, no time limitation, no "purchase again after each patch".
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"Some" of my haters I have investigated, and hack themselves and even have the balls to say that I hack. And this is after I beat them even when they were using maphack against me. One of them is RedZ which was always accusing me. RedZ is just a bad plat/ diamond player with no game sense and relies on his maphack to carry him. Now he got caught with real replay evidence so he is disowned from the sc2 team community.
I want to note that many of these haters of mine have multiple accounts that are shared with many other people which they use maphack on.
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On August 22 2012 11:32 mKcPandaLove wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 10:47 EtherealDeath wrote:On August 22 2012 07:45 mKcPandaLove wrote:
I dont hack, that's someone making a troll account trying to frame me. why would I be so dumb to name myself mkcpandalove in the hack forums -_- I suppose it could be the case, but I'd like to point out that now the VIP status has been transferred away from the mKcPandaLove account to another account. I am unable to trace where it went to. So... another coincidence? Who knows where it went to, but there's a reason why no one has any replays of me hacking. cuz I don't hack! And I have a few haters that are trying to ruin my reputation in the sc2 community. Perhaps you might be on of those haters. I would appreciate it, if you stop accusing me of hacking with no real evidence. Thank you.
Why would any one even go out of their way to do that. No one even knows you. Not like you're playing in tournaments for money either.
Your responses just make you sound even more suspicious.
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