EPT[Interview] 2012 GSL Season 2 Finals - Page 4
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Bagration
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SWAT-Kat
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On a side note, I don't see what was wrong with the old GSL trophy. If I remember correctly, it looked like the Xel'Naga artifact from the campaign, which was cool. This new one looks like a mini hand-held vacuum  | ||
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McKTenor13
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CmdrDashy
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Baffels
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Great season all in all. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On May 20 2012 02:08 Baffels wrote: Really did not expect MVP to win this season of the GSL. He has been traveling and having problems with his wrists, really impressive that he could take this season, especially against Protoss who sent him to Code A a year ago. Great season all in all. Squirtle didn't defeat Mvp when he fell into Code A. | ||
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NoGasfOu
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SeaSwift
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On May 20 2012 02:08 Baffels wrote: Really did not expect MVP to win this season of the GSL. He has been traveling and having problems with his wrists, really impressive that he could take this season, especially against Protoss who sent him to Code A a year ago. Great season all in all. Ahhhhh I see what you did there ^_^ | ||
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Azurues
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Existential
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote: no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that  I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two | ||
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Proseat
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Qaatar
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On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote: Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote: MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more | ||
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Darksoldierr
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how2TL
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On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote: I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more And if you were born in a third world country we wouldn't have to listen to to your balance whining, What a meaningless statement. It is not sad at all that MVP recognized that pulling all his SCV's would get him him the win in that situation and if you had ever been under that kind of pressure if your life you would respect that a whole lot more. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 20 2012 03:46 how2TL wrote: And if you were born in a third world country we wouldn't have to listen to to your balance whining, What a meaningless statement. It is not sad at all that MVP recognized that pulling all his SCV's would get him him the win in that situation and if you had ever been under that kind of pressure if your life you would respect that a whole lot more. Why do all you pick 1 half of a sentence to flame on. MVP deserved the win, but he won because he plays a race that allows him to make up for his injuries. We should be glad the dude isn't Zerg, his 4th championship would not have happened. Its not a balance whine. Its a statement based off MVP's injuries and the different races strengths. If he was toss/zerg and was pushing 200/200 every game, he wouldve crumbled. That doesn't take anything away from him winning. He is lucky to play a race that allows him to make up for his injuries with early game play. It is sad that mvp had to pull scv's in 10+ of his last 15 matches. That shows some issues with him. I still applaud that he overcame all obstacles. But its still bitbybit He deserved it, stop harping on the fact that people are upset with the way he did it. | ||
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Qaatar
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On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote: I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more The old MVP was also all about winning. Due to his long BW background in Terran, he had a difficult time adjusting to the TvP matchup, and honestly, I still feel as if his strategic sense in the matchup is lacking. It's certainly not his mechanics or macro, because we've seen that in spades in his TvZ, even with his injured wrists. He did abuse the 111 (or rather, mindgaming with the 111) against HuK in August en route to a 3-0. He also was one of the first to abuse bunker pushes against P as well (first game of GSL August against MC). Why? Because he was about winning. He feels like macro games are key to winning TvZ's and TvT's, and feels more confident in those matchups. Conversely, he has felt, for a long time, that timings and all-ins are key to winning TvP, and feels perhaps less confident in that matchup. Nothing has changed; his mentality is the same: WIN. Edit: In other words, I just feel puzzled that all of you guys are jumping out of the woodwork now, and not back in GSL August. Is it because you guys never really watched MVP's TvP in the past 9 months, because he beat Naniwa (foreigner fanboyism), or Protoss fanboyism? I don't understand. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 20 2012 03:52 Qaatar wrote: The old MVP was also all about winning. Due to his long BW background in Terran, he had a difficult time adjusting to the TvP matchup, and honestly, I still feel as if his strategic sense in the matchup is lacking. It's certainly not his mechanics or macro, because we've seen that in spades in his TvZ, even with his injured wrists. He did abuse the 111 (or rather, mindgaming with the 111) against HuK in August en route to a 3-0. He also was one of the first to abuse bunker pushes against P as well (first game of GSL August against MC). Why? Because he was about winning. He feels like macro games are key to winning TvZ's and TvT's, and feels more confident in those matchups. Conversely, he has felt, for a long time, that timings and all-ins are key to winning TvP, and feels perhaps less confident in that matchup. Nothing has changed; his mentality is the same: WIN. Its weird, i haven't read any articles recently about his TvP thoughts. His interview after parting stated he didn't feel scared macroing at all. But he didn't macro the series before, that series, or the series after. He knows his opponents read his interviews, and he is a mind game master. Im sure he planned these last 3 sets perfectly. Yea he used 1/1/1 against huk, but before in an interview he stated he didn't like using it and felt it was cheap. I have also said he is about winning, and congratulated him on his win. I was simply expressing my sadness about him being bitbybit in his last 3 series. SORRY I BLASHPHEMED...i forgot we can only complain about cheese when its not a fan favorite in regards to this: Edit: In other words, I just feel puzzled that all of you guys are jumping out of the woodwork now, and not back in GSL August. Is it because you guys never really watched MVP's TvP in the past 9 months, because he beat Naniwa (foreigner fanboyism), or Protoss fanboyism? I don't understand. Maybe we didn't watch all the same games. MVP has used some good allin's, but he hasn't ever been a cheesemaster in tvp like recently. I can try and find the interview i mentioned where he bashed on the 1/1/1 himself, right before his huk match, cause before that semifinals MPV litterally did not 1/1/1 unless it was a long series, and then only did it once | ||
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