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Your thoughts on winning the championship after such a dramatic series?
I was in a great mood since I started 3:0. It seemed like it was going to be an easy victory for me then unexpectedly, it went to being a full match which was hard on me. Winning Set 7 by not giving up and pushing once again despite initially being repulsed with my all-in rush made the experience all the more electrifying.
You are the first player to win four championships in a single league in Starcraft 2
With this season, I accomplished winning a fourth GSL title. Honestly, I’m happier about the fact that this is my first championship of the year rather than it being my fourth. I was in a slump lately but, with hard work, made the finals and to win in said finals, I am ecstatic.
In Set 5, you lost all your battlecruisers in one battle and were defeated.
As I lost those battlecruisers due to miscontrol, I knew I had lost. I was a bit shaken mentally but thanks to the advice of my teammates, I was able to gather myself. In the last Set, I was able to keep playing only because my teammates kept comforting and reassuring me.
We are curious as to why you decided on a strategy where you max out on battlecruisers.
Protosses do not know the power of the battlecruisers yet. However, Squirtle seemed to know that a 200/200 battlecruiser army simply cannot die. He conserved his units so well. That must be why I lost.
You started 3:0 but was pushed back to 3:3
When I won Set 3, I felt that Squirtle was becoming nervous. So, I expected to win the match easily but as we came to 3:3, I knew that Squirtle had lost his nervousness and the deciding set would be so difficult. However, I had a build set up for Set 7 so went into the set relaxed.
You tried a 11-11 proxy barracks in Set 7, how did you feel when you were initially pushed back?
Honestly, I didn’t practise for Set 7 at all. I focused more on earlier sets so if it went to the seventh set, I was planning to just go for 11-11. I’d already done it against Naniwa in a previous match so was able to execute it without major flaws.
You are now in second place (T/N: I thought it was meant to be first, maybe it’s a typo by TiG) in terms of overall prize money won, how does that feel?
The tournaments I won in had a smaller prize for the champion compared to those for Nestea and MC. Deep down, I was a bit discouraged by the fact that my winnings were much smaller compared to Nestea’s despite both of us winning similar numbers of titles so I’m happy to have caught up.
You have finally raced ahead of Nestea in number of championships
Nestea has always performed consistently and is so reliable. It must be thanks to him that I always did well right after he won a championship. I really hope he makes it through UnD and makes it back into Code S.
This was your first finals after LG started sponsoring IM so did it not place a lot of pressure on you?
When such a major corporation like LG decided to sponsor us, I was so proud and elated. That’s why I wanted to win this finals no matter what. I wanted all to see the LG logo on my chest as I stood victorious so I’m glad that it was possible and want to thank LG. It was thanks to LG that I was able to win this championship.
What are your plans for foreign tournaments?
I am planning to attend any tournament that invites me. I will go overseas to promote my sponsors and take those championships.
The trophy was re-designed this year, are you satisfied with it?
I noticed it had changed. I always wanted a sharp looking trophy like this so worked even harder for the finals.
Are you confident about keeping your position in the points rankings?
Starting last season, I saw no real value in the points ranking. However, I saw that I had fallen considerably this season so started to mind it a lot more. Fortunately with this victory, I return to the top spot which makes me happy.
Starting tomorrow, Starcraft 1 progamers start Starcraft 2 officially
Tomorrow, Kespa Starcraft 1 progamers start the Starcraft1/2 hybrid league which will be so hard on the players. I hope they work hard and show great games. If the Starcrat 1 players were allowed to focus solely on Starcraft 2, they would catch up easily but in this hybrid league, it will take them at least six months. If it were Starcraft 2 only, it would only take half as long. Taking myself as an example, I reached rank 1 on the ladder only one month after switching to Starcraft 2 so current players will also do well.
Anything to add?
My teammates went through a lot to help me with practice. I want to thank the LoL team who came to cheer me on, the coach who is my source of strength, my girlfriend who never leaves my side and our sponsor LG. Of course, this victory is shared by Googims, SteelSeries, Nvidia, and Coca Cola. I will continue to work hard to promote my sponsors so I hope they continue to sponsor us. LG-IM HWAITING!
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What are your plans for foreign tournaments?
I am planning to attend any tournament that invites me. I will go overseas to promote my sponsors and take those championships.
MVP is such a good person >_<
congrats again.
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Never leave us Storywriter, your translating is too good.
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MVP!!!! LG picked the right team to sponsor !
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Storywriter, you are a hero.
I want to thank you for translating every interview quickly this season. I love reading what players have to say about their wins.
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hmm.. I forgot to put Code S in the title... but there's no finals for Code A so I guess no one's confused, right?
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Holy shit IM's sponsors are sick, also Mvp going more overseas when invited? Epic.
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King JJ my hero =)
Storywriter my second hero though =p
thank you as always
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Thank you so much Storywriter, I hope TL gives you a star or translator icon for all your hard work.
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yeah storywriter u badass :D
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IM have such good sponsors now. It's hard to believe it took them so long to get some and they've managed to get some of the best.
Congratulations to MVP, he clearly deserved the snazzy new trophy.
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Too bad nearly no foreign tournaments have invites any longer.
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All Hail Mvp! The Sickest man in the planet! Don't mind the haters, Every famous guy has one or MANY.
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Time for MVP to farm more champonships
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On May 19 2012 22:00 Dodgin wrote:
Thank you so much Storywriter, I hope TL gives you a star or translator icon for all your hard work.
I second that. Thank you for all your hard work storywriter. I hope TL decides to reward you soon.
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Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good.
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coca cola?
Also, MVP so awesome!
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On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good.
In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers.
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F*ck. I expected MVP to lose.
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Mister awesomeness himself.
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On May 19 2012 22:23 darkness wrote:
F*ck. I expected MVP to lose.
One can never doubt MVP, it seems.
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I love you Mvp! thank you story writer
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On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers.
I believe so too, but that response from MVP regarding the game made no sense, what made Squirtle win the game wasn't the amount of units he had or that he had preserved them( it's not like he was even remotely resource starved), but the vortex, if that was the first game of the series, I doubt that MVP would have made the same mistake and gotten caught, his mind would be much clearer and landing that vortex was pretty much Squirtle's only hope, MVP's attack was delayed and then rushed, such an artwork of a game plan gone to waste...at least he won it all in the end.
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Thanks for the translation!
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"I will go overseas to promote my sponsors and take those championships."
like the boss he is.
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On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers.
Exactly. Just really hard to get to them safely without dying.
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On May 19 2012 22:45 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers. Exactly. Just really hard to get to them safely without dying.
VoidRays> BC's
With squirtles bank if he had scouted the BC's sooner he would have upgraded air and massed Vr's and crushed the BC's without the need for vortext.
Voidrays do + damage to massive AND + damage to armored. They hard counter bcs on equal upgrades.
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MVP Heart of a fucking champion.
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On May 19 2012 23:00 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 22:45 bokchoi wrote:On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers. Exactly. Just really hard to get to them safely without dying. VoidRays> BC's With squirtles bank if he had scouted the BC's sooner he would have upgraded air and massed Vr's and crushed the BC's without the need for vortext. Voidrays do + damage to massive AND + damage to armored. They hard counter bcs on equal upgrades.
If you just look at the stats, then yes. But a single Yamato takes out a full health void ray. Which means a bunch of void rays aren't even going to do damage. MVP would not have gone BCs if he thought being scouted would mean a loss.
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Never followed MVP much before, he was always just that dude who won everything, but I gotta say I'm a convert now.
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Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers?
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On May 19 2012 23:00 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 22:45 bokchoi wrote:On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers. Exactly. Just really hard to get to them safely without dying. VoidRays> BC's With squirtles bank if he had scouted the BC's sooner he would have upgraded air and massed Vr's and crushed the BC's without the need for vortext. Voidrays do + damage to massive AND + damage to armored. They hard counter bcs on equal upgrades.
Remaxing with Void Rays that are already upgraded was smarter. He already was maxed out on mass Archon/High Templar/Mothership, he didn't need to build Void Rays right away. The remax with 4 Stargates and tons of Chrono was quite good. Also, it discourages MVP from building Ravens and upgrading Seeker Missle to easily dispatch clumped up Void Rays.
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On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers?
Yes, GSTL finals vs Slayers. He beat Ryung with them, i believe. He's one of the first people who made battlecruisers work in lategame TvT.
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On May 19 2012 23:31 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? Yes, GSTL finals vs Slayers. He beat Ryung with them, i believe. He's one of the first people who made battlecruisers work in lategame TvT.
I meant vs Squirtle in this finals specifically, sorry.
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On May 19 2012 23:34 Hulavuta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:31 Fragile51 wrote:On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? Yes, GSTL finals vs Slayers. He beat Ryung with them, i believe. He's one of the first people who made battlecruisers work in lategame TvT. I meant vs Squirtle in this finals specifically, sorry.
It was only one game, so no, he didn't win with them.
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On May 19 2012 23:36 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:34 Hulavuta wrote:On May 19 2012 23:31 Fragile51 wrote:On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? Yes, GSTL finals vs Slayers. He beat Ryung with them, i believe. He's one of the first people who made battlecruisers work in lategame TvT. I meant vs Squirtle in this finals specifically, sorry. It was only one game, so no, he didn't win with them.
In the interview he said that protoss underestimate them though, so i hope that means he'll use them more often?
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Fuck yeah, King Mvp.
Actually, when it was announced that LG decided to sponsor IM, I switched from going to buy a Samsung TV to LG instead. Sorry Khan fans 
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On May 19 2012 23:46 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:36 Asha` wrote:On May 19 2012 23:34 Hulavuta wrote:On May 19 2012 23:31 Fragile51 wrote:On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? Yes, GSTL finals vs Slayers. He beat Ryung with them, i believe. He's one of the first people who made battlecruisers work in lategame TvT. I meant vs Squirtle in this finals specifically, sorry. It was only one game, so no, he didn't win with them. In the interview he said that protoss underestimate them though, so i hope that means he'll use them more often?
He had that game without a doubt, it was through his mistake of waiting too long and getting vortexed in such a way in the final battle that squirtle ended up winning. I think It's a strong strategy that we will see more often on maps where you can turtle like Metropolis.
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MVP's record in finals (including WCG, MLG, Blizzcon): 7-1
the guy has the nerves of steel.
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On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers?
No, but that was due to himself making mistakes and the slight uglyness of the archon toilet. MVP had that game until he didn't emp the mothership that came sneeking from the flank.
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Mvp comments about the battlecruisers give the suggestion that had the Vortex not happened it would have worked out...
Either way, that late game TvP build seems to only work on Metropolis given how much harder it is to turtle up and take island expoes on other maps (without the Protoss taking bases all over the map.)
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what's about his wrist problems? will he attend to mlgs etc.?
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On May 19 2012 23:58 aXel92 wrote:
what's about his wrist problems? will he attend to mlgs etc.?
I believe he shares the same wrist pain symptoms with GGPlay, who was his teammate at Woongjin back in BW. I think he has now found a way to solve them. It was mentioned in one of the interviews with Mvp IIRC.
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Most. Epic. Finals EVER. Wow! I'm just sad Squirtle didn't complete his comeback, but anyway maybe it's good for e-sports and all!
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On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers?
He crushed Ryung by using battlecruisers.
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On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers?
Btw, he also defeated Flash with battlecruisers in OSL
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On May 20 2012 00:12 TomoeMami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? He crushed Ryung by using battlecruisers.
I meant specifically in this series vs Squirtle, and I already got my answer on the last page.
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On May 20 2012 00:12 TomoeMami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? He crushed Ryung by using battlecruisers.
That game was spectacular, really the first big game to use BCs as the end game in TvT.
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On May 20 2012 00:13 TomoeMami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? Btw, he also defeated Flash with battlecruisers in OSL
Well, Battlecruisers are a common unit in lategame TvT in BW.
Althought yes, MVP always will be remembered in BW as the guy that once defeated Flash.
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I want to see Mvp vs Flash sc2 match even if Flash is not mvp's caliber yet. It would be cool.
Good interview congratulations to Mvp!
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mvp took rank 1 after a month of practicing T.T no wonder hes such a beast
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On May 20 2012 00:41 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 00:12 TomoeMami wrote:On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? He crushed Ryung by using battlecruisers. That game was spectacular, really the first big game to use BCs as the end game in TvT.
Even more spectacular, he used it the day after they got buffed. I don't think he even had any time to play around with them yet.
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On May 20 2012 00:50 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 00:13 TomoeMami wrote:On May 19 2012 23:29 Hulavuta wrote:
Did Mvp win any of the games where he went battlecruisers? Btw, he also defeated Flash with battlecruisers in OSL Well, Battlecruisers are a common unit in lategame TvT in BW. Althought yes, MVP always will be remembered in BW as the guy that once defeated Flash.
Took one game. And lost the series. He did beat Stork though.
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On May 20 2012 01:04 raf3776 wrote:
mvp took rank 1 after a month of practicing T.T no wonder hes such a beast
That's how he first became known, by being a ladder monster. Same with DRG and MKP.
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giving up and pushing once again despite initially being repulsed with my all-in rush made the experience all the more electrifying.
I lol'ed, MVP haters must be on suicide watch or something.
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Congrats MVP, finally breaking the 3 Starleague curse!
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I don't think I've ever seen or heard someone thank their team sponsor so much. MVP seems very grateful and appreciative, which makes him very likable. Well won, MVP!
On a side note, I don't see what was wrong with the old GSL trophy. If I remember correctly, it looked like the Xel'Naga artifact from the campaign, which was cool. This new one looks like a mini hand-held vacuum
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Watching MVP this finals was incredible. He stayed so calm and collected the entire time. Even when he lost 3 in a row. I don't think any other pro (maybe Nestea) could be that calm in an intense finals situation like that. Congratulations on the fourth!
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It really does make me so happy to see mvp win. he is a god of starcraft 2 thewre is no doubt about it. i want to see him every wheere
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Really did not expect MVP to win this season of the GSL. He has been traveling and having problems with his wrists, really impressive that he could take this season, especially against Protoss who sent him to Code A a year ago.
Great season all in all.
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On May 20 2012 02:08 Baffels wrote:
Really did not expect MVP to win this season of the GSL. He has been traveling and having problems with his wrists, really impressive that he could take this season, especially against Protoss who sent him to Code A a year ago.
Great season all in all.
Squirtle didn't defeat Mvp when he fell into Code A.
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Looks like Mvp has a lot of LEGIT sponsors to promote. I remember the days when IM didn't have a single one even though they owned half of GSL trophies. Gratz to IM.
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On May 20 2012 02:08 Baffels wrote:
Really did not expect MVP to win this season of the GSL. He has been traveling and having problems with his wrists, really impressive that he could take this season, especially against Protoss who sent him to Code A a year ago.
Great season all in all.
Ahhhhh I see what you did there ^_^
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no words from Squirtle on his devolving process?
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Thanks for the interview. And congrats to MVP :D
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On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process?
Why do people always want losers interviews?
You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep.
Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that 
I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans.
MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt
edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two
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It was really electrifying sitting live in the audience for this final. At first it seemed it would all be over 4:0 quickly, but then suddenly Squirtle started to come back. And that awesome game 5 had the audience up on their feet and everyone was screaming, shouting, and cheering, and banging the boomsticks. Then that nailbiting last set, and Mvp actually pulled it off to win his 4th championship. Good to hear him thank his team, as we saw the teammates of both players go up to the stage and to their booths after every set for some encouraging words. So much fun.
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On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two
MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today.
It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult.
His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time.
You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me.
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On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me.
I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8.
There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more
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Good games, well deserved victory
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On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more
And if you were born in a third world country we wouldn't have to listen to to your balance whining, What a meaningless statement.
It is not sad at all that MVP recognized that pulling all his SCV's would get him him the win in that situation and if you had ever been under that kind of pressure if your life you would respect that a whole lot more.
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rank 1 gm after 1 month on KRN ladder?... wow, these guys are leagues ahead of me... I'm stuck in na masters forever..
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On May 20 2012 03:46 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more And if you were born in a third world country we wouldn't have to listen to to your balance whining, What a meaningless statement. It is not sad at all that MVP recognized that pulling all his SCV's would get him him the win in that situation and if you had ever been under that kind of pressure if your life you would respect that a whole lot more.
Why do all you pick 1 half of a sentence to flame on. MVP deserved the win, but he won because he plays a race that allows him to make up for his injuries. We should be glad the dude isn't Zerg, his 4th championship would not have happened. Its not a balance whine. Its a statement based off MVP's injuries and the different races strengths. If he was toss/zerg and was pushing 200/200 every game, he wouldve crumbled. That doesn't take anything away from him winning. He is lucky to play a race that allows him to make up for his injuries with early game play. It is sad that mvp had to pull scv's in 10+ of his last 15 matches. That shows some issues with him. I still applaud that he overcame all obstacles. But its still bitbybit
He deserved it, stop harping on the fact that people are upset with the way he did it.
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On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more
The old MVP was also all about winning. Due to his long BW background in Terran, he had a difficult time adjusting to the TvP matchup, and honestly, I still feel as if his strategic sense in the matchup is lacking. It's certainly not his mechanics or macro, because we've seen that in spades in his TvZ, even with his injured wrists.
He did abuse the 111 (or rather, mindgaming with the 111) against HuK in August en route to a 3-0. He also was one of the first to abuse bunker pushes against P as well (first game of GSL August against MC). Why? Because he was about winning. He feels like macro games are key to winning TvZ's and TvT's, and feels more confident in those matchups. Conversely, he has felt, for a long time, that timings and all-ins are key to winning TvP, and feels perhaps less confident in that matchup. Nothing has changed; his mentality is the same: WIN.
Edit: In other words, I just feel puzzled that all of you guys are jumping out of the woodwork now, and not back in GSL August. Is it because you guys never really watched MVP's TvP in the past 9 months, because he beat Naniwa (foreigner fanboyism), or Protoss fanboyism? I don't understand.
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On May 20 2012 03:52 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more The old MVP was also all about winning. Due to his long BW background in Terran, he had a difficult time adjusting to the TvP matchup, and honestly, I still feel as if his strategic sense in the matchup is lacking. It's certainly not his mechanics or macro, because we've seen that in spades in his TvZ, even with his injured wrists. He did abuse the 111 (or rather, mindgaming with the 111) against HuK in August en route to a 3-0. He also was one of the first to abuse bunker pushes against P as well (first game of GSL August against MC). Why? Because he was about winning. He feels like macro games are key to winning TvZ's and TvT's, and feels more confident in those matchups. Conversely, he has felt, for a long time, that timings and all-ins are key to winning TvP, and feels perhaps less confident in that matchup. Nothing has changed; his mentality is the same: WIN.
Its weird, i haven't read any articles recently about his TvP thoughts. His interview after parting stated he didn't feel scared macroing at all. But he didn't macro the series before, that series, or the series after. He knows his opponents read his interviews, and he is a mind game master. Im sure he planned these last 3 sets perfectly. Yea he used 1/1/1 against huk, but before in an interview he stated he didn't like using it and felt it was cheap.
I have also said he is about winning, and congratulated him on his win. I was simply expressing my sadness about him being bitbybit in his last 3 series. SORRY I BLASHPHEMED...i forgot we can only complain about cheese when its not a fan favorite
in regards to this:
Edit: In other words, I just feel puzzled that all of you guys are jumping out of the woodwork now, and not back in GSL August. Is it because you guys never really watched MVP's TvP in the past 9 months, because he beat Naniwa (foreigner fanboyism), or Protoss fanboyism? I don't understand.
Maybe we didn't watch all the same games. MVP has used some good allin's, but he hasn't ever been a cheesemaster in tvp like recently. I can try and find the interview i mentioned where he bashed on the 1/1/1 himself, right before his huk match, cause before that semifinals MPV litterally did not 1/1/1 unless it was a long series, and then only did it once
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On May 20 2012 03:56 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 03:52 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more The old MVP was also all about winning. Due to his long BW background in Terran, he had a difficult time adjusting to the TvP matchup, and honestly, I still feel as if his strategic sense in the matchup is lacking. It's certainly not his mechanics or macro, because we've seen that in spades in his TvZ, even with his injured wrists. He did abuse the 111 (or rather, mindgaming with the 111) against HuK in August en route to a 3-0. He also was one of the first to abuse bunker pushes against P as well (first game of GSL August against MC). Why? Because he was about winning. He feels like macro games are key to winning TvZ's and TvT's, and feels more confident in those matchups. Conversely, he has felt, for a long time, that timings and all-ins are key to winning TvP, and feels perhaps less confident in that matchup. Nothing has changed; his mentality is the same: WIN. Its weird, i haven't read any articles recently about his TvP thoughts. His interview after parting stated he didn't feel scared macroing at all. But he didn't macro the series before, that series, or the series after. He knows his opponents read his interviews, and he is a mind game master. Im sure he planned these last 3 sets perfectly. Yea he used 1/1/1 against huk, but before in an interview he stated he didn't like using it and felt it was cheap. I have also said he is about winning, and congratulated him on his win. I was simply expressing my sadness about him being bitbybit in his last 3 series. SORRY I BLASHPHEMED...i forgot we can only complain about cheese when its not a fan favorite
No, it's just the inconsistency. I'm just a little puzzled, like edited in my last post, that I see sentiments like yours much more now than back in August, when in reality, nothing has changed. Except, of course, that MVP is even more injured and was slumping. Perhaps some people thought, that since he was slumping, he started using all-ins as a crutch?
I've got a phrase for that: post hoc, ergo, proctor hoc. Just because he's slumping doesn't necessarily mean that he's resorting to all-ins for that reason. Like I've argued, there's a rather large backlog of empirical data of MVP's TvP in the past 9 months. Go watch a few of them, if you're interested.
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Seriously happy that MVP won. The one thing that surprised me was the fact that in every game but game 7 he had macro oriented builds. I think this was smart, but still surprising considering his wrist issues as the last 2 bo5's with toss he cheesed like every single game lol.
MVP's macro was top notch, decision making, etc for the most part. Game 5 I think he should have won but made a mistake and got vortexed which is like in zvp if you get vortexed you lose. Enjoyable series, I actually found game 1 and 3 absolutely hilarious though, game 2 was fairly good, game 5 was good as well. Game 6 was intense, in general enjoyed the series even though I am zerg and glad to see MVP win another championship :D
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On May 20 2012 04:04 blade55555 wrote:
Seriously happy that MVP won. The one thing that surprised me was the fact that in every game but game 7 he had macro oriented builds. I think this was smart, but still surprising considering his wrist issues as the last 2 bo5's with toss he cheesed like every single game lol.
Again, MVP was just as 'cheesy' against MC and Huk back in August. Hell, he played macro games in two out of the four games against Naniwa (or tried to...too bad Naniwa died too quickly in the first, and MVP died too quickly in the second). Against Parting, MVP all-in'd twice in four games.
I can argue that, statistically, MVP played even more of an all-in style back in August than in this GSL. Of course that's not an accurate representation, since there were less games, but you get my point.
Edit: All-in TvP style, in case some misconstrue my points.
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I reached rank 1 on the ladder only one month after switching to Starcraft 2
Haha
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What is wrong will pulling scvs? Aren't they units as well? The reason zergs and Protoss don't pull their workers is because they don't have mules and also they have other melee units and workers would actually get in the way for most situations. Pulling scvs are a calculated risk where you HAVE to kill workers or you are behind. Basically it is sacrificing you Eco for a stronger army and it is not different from a 4 gate where you cut probes or quick roaches. With 4 gate, you are cutting probes and with quick roaches, you are using the larvae for drones for roaches. All three builds are agreesive builds that get way behind if they do not do damage.
And if the complaint is about mules, different races have different mechanics. We could argue MVP would have won game 5 if not for vortex.
And it is pretty easy to defend as shown by Squirtle. Squirtle just overextended with his zealot and stalkers and gave MVP the chance to come back.
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On May 20 2012 04:27 vthree wrote:
What is wrong will pulling scvs? Aren't they units as well? The reason zergs and Protoss don't pull their workers is because they don't have mules and also they have other melee units and workers would actually get in the way for most situations. Pulling scvs are a calculated risk where you HAVE to kill workers or you are behind. Basically it is sacrificing you Eco for a stronger army and it is not different from a 4 gate where you cut probes or quick roaches. With 4 gate, you are cutting probes and with quick roaches, you are using the larvae for drones for roaches. All three builds are agreesive builds that get way behind if they do not do damage.
And if the complaint is about mules, different races have different mechanics. We could argue MVP would have won game 5 if not for vortex.
And it is pretty easy to defend as shown by Squirtle. Squirtle just overextended with his zealot and stalkers and gave MVP the chance to come back.
Nothing, but we were arguing about the big picture of MVP's playing habits, and the inconsistency of criticism which I feel is laughably disingenuous. I feel the same way you do, but I think we're approaching this from two different angles.
Edit: please read my first post in this thread if you haven't.
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On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more
You say MVP won because of his race, some others would say he won despite it. It's very typical that in any balance discussion most of the players with the TL terran icons will say protoss is OP, and most of the players with the TL protoss icons will say terrans OP. So instead of trying to start a balance discussion, just type something unrelated to balance, we'll look at your icon, and then we'll know your general sentiment with regard to balance. The discussion is clearly an emotional shit-fest that has gotten no one very far, so there is no need for it outside of a designated thread.
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On May 20 2012 03:42 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 03:36 Qaatar wrote:On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two MVP's TvP has never been the most watchable or beautiful. If you've actually been watching him when he was dominant, pretty much after his series with Creator in the Super Tournament, his style of TvP changed into what it is today. It's hilarious that people harp on MVP's shortcomings in TvP, while failing to acknowledge that he continues to play long, strenuous macro games in TvZ, a matchup that is far more mechanically difficult. His wrists hurt like fuck against Leenock, but MVP still played some amazing games to beat him in the Ro16. Convenient that some ignore these facts (not you specifically, but I had to rant a little here), and call him an 'all-in cheesemaster.' YES, we know...he cheeses in TvP, and he has done so for a long ass time. You know what? That doesn't stop the rest of us from admiring the beauty and art that is his TvZ and TvT. TvP sucks as a matchup to watch for most people anyways, so honestly, it's a win win for me. I believe i may have criticisized him, but i dont think i was talking down on MVP. Calm down please. MVP has done whatnobody else has, and deserved his win for what he went through. But if he was any other race he wouldn't have won this finals, or even made it past ro8. There are arguments for and against his current playstyels in certain matchups, but this isn't the place to argue them. I can still be sad that in the last 15 matches he's pulled scv's to attack in 10 of those. And his TvP before his matches with creator and etc was very good imo. He was actually a terran who didn't rely on 1/1/1 during its 'flavor of the last 6 months' strat. He has only started using it since he has his injuries, and I salute him. But that makes me want the old MVP back more
Considering MVP plays random at GM level, I'd say you're wrong. He could succeed as any race that he played, same thing with any dominating player. Flash was also known as being able to play any of the races very strong, not as strong as his terran but very strong.
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It's odd how people say the less skilled player won the GSL in my opinion if you use cheese it won't make you less skilled player. For example Symbol he is great player everyone should agree that, right? Still he cheesed 3 games out of 3 against Marineking doesn't that make him bad? all ins and cheeses are part of game if nobody would not do these it would be boring. If you lose to cheese it is because lack of scouting or lack of micro/macro and you can't blame anyone else than youself because of that. Squirtle scouted that it will most likely be 2 rax cheese and he prepared pretty well but after he destroyed first wave what did he think? Mvp will go back to mine and make it normal game? No that will no happen even though he had mules. Mvp destroyed Squirtles army close to proxy raxes and i don't think that should have happen. Squirtle saw him making units still and saw glimpse of the units whom surrounded squirtle. At that point squirtle should have just get asap to the main and not try to do some incredible micro with 3 stalkers against mvp's army.
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I can imagine Naniwa, Squirtle and PartinG getting absolutely wasted in the ST house after the finals lol.
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On May 19 2012 21:56 dragonborn wrote:
What are your plans for foreign tournaments?
I am planning to attend any tournament that invites me. I will go overseas to promote my sponsors and take those championships.
MVP is such a good person >_<
congrats again.
Rofl, he just knows he's going to win.
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I have also said he is about winning, and congratulated him on his win. I was simply expressing my sadness about him being bitbybit in his last 3 series. SORRY I BLASHPHEMED...i forgot we can only complain about cheese when its not a fan favorite
you can only complain about cheese if
1. There was a lot of cheese. MVP won 3 macro games on a trot. He "cheesed" one game, and that was on Atlantis which is a ridiculous map.
2. If you aren't blaspheming against God.
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damn mvp did it. won his 4th gsl dispite his conditions
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Thanks for the great translation Mvp fighting ! ~
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Shouldn't only terran and zerg have the right to complain about double proxy rax? Protoss has warpgate, which is just like proxy rax except it can even hide safety at home and not be destroyed if attack fails lol
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Sen always get 3rd place
MKP always get 2nd place
MVP always get 1st place, why u so good? =D
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Baller interview. thanks for translating!
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On May 19 2012 23:05 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:00 DaveVAH wrote:On May 19 2012 22:45 bokchoi wrote:On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers. Exactly. Just really hard to get to them safely without dying. VoidRays> BC's With squirtles bank if he had scouted the BC's sooner he would have upgraded air and massed Vr's and crushed the BC's without the need for vortext. Voidrays do + damage to massive AND + damage to armored. They hard counter bcs on equal upgrades. If you just look at the stats, then yes. But a single Yamato takes out a full health void ray. Which means a bunch of void rays aren't even going to do damage. MVP would not have gone BCs if he thought being scouted would mean a loss.
Feedback cancel yamato cast.
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People whining about the cheese(and/or MULEs) are funny, they seem to forget how retarded that map is.
Also Squirtle had 20 supply on the Island when he crushed MVPs "ultimate comp". Im not convinced by the BCs at all.
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I don't like the word cheese: every strategy is a strategy and one is not superior to the other except in the sense that it wins more or less than other strategies..
On May 20 2012 08:08 gillon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 23:05 Fig wrote:On May 19 2012 23:00 DaveVAH wrote:On May 19 2012 22:45 bokchoi wrote:On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers. Exactly. Just really hard to get to them safely without dying. VoidRays> BC's With squirtles bank if he had scouted the BC's sooner he would have upgraded air and massed Vr's and crushed the BC's without the need for vortext. Voidrays do + damage to massive AND + damage to armored. They hard counter bcs on equal upgrades. If you just look at the stats, then yes. But a single Yamato takes out a full health void ray. Which means a bunch of void rays aren't even going to do damage. MVP would not have gone BCs if he thought being scouted would mean a loss. Feedback cancel yamato cast. emp cancel feed back cast.
look, i can name counters..:D:D:D:D
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On May 20 2012 08:17 Hypemeup wrote:
People whining about the cheese(and/or MULEs) are funny, they seem to forget how retarded that map is.
Also Squirtle had 20 supply on the Island when he crushed MVPs "ultimate comp". Im not convinced by the BCs at all.
I don't get how you can whine about one cheesy game in a best of 7 anyway, the other games were solid macro games although game 6 turned into an all in based on what happened.
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On May 20 2012 08:19 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 08:17 Hypemeup wrote:
People whining about the cheese(and/or MULEs) are funny, they seem to forget how retarded that map is.
Also Squirtle had 20 supply on the Island when he crushed MVPs "ultimate comp". Im not convinced by the BCs at all. I don't get how you can whine about one cheesy game in a best of 7 anyway, the other games were solid macro games although game 6 turned into an all in based on what happened.
Im convinced the same people whining about it would be really happy if it was Squirtle who cheesed to take game 7.
Whiners gonna whine while winners(MVP) is gonna win, I guess.
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On May 20 2012 08:18 Yorbon wrote:I don't like the word cheese: every strategy is a strategy and one is not superior to the other except in the sense that it wins more or less than other strategies.. Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 08:08 gillon wrote:On May 19 2012 23:05 Fig wrote:On May 19 2012 23:00 DaveVAH wrote:On May 19 2012 22:45 bokchoi wrote:On May 19 2012 22:23 Zealously wrote:On May 19 2012 22:13 jkang wrote:
Seems Mvp thinks Battlecruisers are actually pretty good. In fairness, nothing short of a money vortex like the one Squirtle landed could have stopped that BC army. In bigger numbers, they are near unstoppable, just like Carriers. Exactly. Just really hard to get to them safely without dying. VoidRays> BC's With squirtles bank if he had scouted the BC's sooner he would have upgraded air and massed Vr's and crushed the BC's without the need for vortext. Voidrays do + damage to massive AND + damage to armored. They hard counter bcs on equal upgrades. If you just look at the stats, then yes. But a single Yamato takes out a full health void ray. Which means a bunch of void rays aren't even going to do damage. MVP would not have gone BCs if he thought being scouted would mean a loss. Feedback cancel yamato cast. emp cancel feed back cast. look, i can name counters..:D:D:D:D
Yamato has a very long cast time unlike the other 2.
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What great responses by a total nerd baller!
On May 19 2012 21:51 storywriter wrote:
What are your plans for foreign tournaments?
I am planning to attend any tournament that invites me. I will go overseas to promote my sponsors and take those championships.
But watch out! He will be in your tournamentz stealing you throphiez! ;D
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Woongjin Terran becomes SC2's greatest player.
Mind = blown.
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i was hoping that he would help give me more hope for the future of bw players as they switch to sc2 but the future looks pretty grim at least for the next 6 months....
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I think MVP has never looked so ecstatic after a finals until this one. He actually had to sweat for this one.
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On May 20 2012 08:19 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 08:17 Hypemeup wrote:
People whining about the cheese(and/or MULEs) are funny, they seem to forget how retarded that map is.
Also Squirtle had 20 supply on the Island when he crushed MVPs "ultimate comp". Im not convinced by the BCs at all. I don't get how you can whine about one cheesy game in a best of 7 anyway, the other games were solid macro games although game 6 turned into an all in based on what happened.
Exactly, Why complain about cheese? Even though It was a cheese, Squirtle hold it off during the 1st push and for ordinary persons that would be most likely game over, but with Intelligent Decisions, Position and Micro, Mvp Managed to pull it off.
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still the best player in the world in my heart, always has been
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On May 20 2012 22:19 Yaki wrote:
still the best player in the world in my heart, always has been
then why the hell do you have your quote as... : "MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA"
I've been using IMMvpFanboy account for a loooong time, that should be telling! :D
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On May 20 2012 02:46 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 02:20 Azurues wrote:
no words from Squirtle on his devolving process? Why do people always want losers interviews? You just want to read about how Squirtle is upset that he lost to cheese in the final game? Let the kid be filled with regret on his own. Give him a day or two to harass him about the finals, he just lost a series where he looked like he was about to convincingly reverse sweep. Im not talking about balance or anything, but the 'better' player at the moment didn't win. MVP is MVP though, doesn't matter if your might be mechanically better than him, in better shape, better prepared, etc. MVP will win if he wants to, as he has shown. Congratulations on that I will say though, that I really hope MVP returns to his amazing self. He is still in a bit of slump skillwise imo. He is winning because he is abusing early game terran with mixtures of allin/cheese strategies and mind games. Which works, im not trashing him. Its just we all loved MVP for how he played while he was dominant. We will support him now, but if he doesn't switch his style back around he will lose fans. MVP's series this year have all been lackluster. The last 3 tvp's he has played has really showed it. Bitttttt---Byyyyy----Biiittttt edit: and he can't de-evolve...MVP just decided to spam B while he was evolving. So now we have to wait another level or two
The better player did win, what are you talking about. Just because you're not exactly a fan from Mvp's vs Protoss style doesn't make it any less legitimate, and certainly doesn't detract from his quality as a player of Starcraft 2.
He is winning, because he is better at Starcraft 2 than his opponents. Even if he had cheesed every single game, he would be better. But of course he didn't do that, and you know that, conveniently downplaying that fact, obviously.
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On May 20 2012 22:58 RandomPlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 22:19 Yaki wrote:
still the best player in the world in my heart, always has been then why the hell do you have your quote as... : "MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA" I've been using IMMvpFanboy account for a loooong time, that should be telling! :D
Favourite players =/= Best player
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I was so mad when he won...
But reading this makes me happy for him. Mvp fighting! I wonder how his wrists felt during that whole series.
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