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On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second.
They can use the money to go to take a break from progaming to go to school...You speak as if school is free
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On May 10 2012 07:51 00Visor wrote:
btw: when he goes to Korea soon, isnt a Code S seed alongside Stephano very likely?
I would say guaranteed.
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On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second.
You have no way to know that for sure. I know plenty of people that went to school and are currently broke with an expensive ass piece of paper. Speculation ≠ Fact. Even if school is not expensive in Sweden (I don't know), there is never a 100% guarantee that school = life of happening and money.
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On May 10 2012 07:54 ignoh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second. They can use the money to go to take a break from progaming to go to school...You speak as if school is free
It is... Where Thorzain lives.
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Hooooooly big pick up!
gratz!
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On May 10 2012 07:54 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second. You have no way to know that for sure. I know plenty of people that went to school and are currently broke with an expensive ass piece of paper. Speculation ≠ Fact
thorzian is Swedish not american
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EG OP. Man they are getting stacked now.
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ugh i just realized... no more cute polos
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The announcement was really well done, so gratz to all the EG members involved in the video!
It's nice to see that ThorZaiN wanting to play among the best in Korea and maybe he will become an even better player than he is alrready. I wonder if/how mouz will ever replace him though 
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On May 10 2012 07:54 ignoh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second. They can use the money to go to take a break from progaming to go to school...You speak as if school is free
Actually the Swedish government, to some extent, pays you to study at a university.
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On May 10 2012 07:54 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second. You have no way to know that for sure. I know plenty of people that went to school and are currently broke with an expensive ass piece of paper. Speculation ≠ Fact.
if you exclude the uk university is pretty much free in Europe. And top ones are public universities for the most part so your paper isn't expensive at all. But speculation ≠ facts hey.
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On May 10 2012 07:52 turdburgler wrote:
so i played a game earlier as jungle sion, as ap and i actually think it has uses. against low hp mids like anivia his ganks are insanely obnoxious. point and click stun into shield is basically 100% kill at lvl 2/3 unless they are sitting under the turret. his insane burst seems to make him a niche pick against squishy people but i think it could be a solid choice.
What
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On May 10 2012 07:55 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:54 ignoh wrote:On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second. They can use the money to go to take a break from progaming to go to school...You speak as if school is free It is... Where Thorzain lives.
Until last year uni. in Sweden was actually free for everyone including non swedes.
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this is siiiick great pick up EG! huk and thorzain on the same team <3 man all the best guys
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but but-- thorzain is my favorite non-kr terran and EG is my least favorite team overall.. cognitive dissonance :\
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On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second.
Okay.
But you're still wrong. I could run the numbers, but assuming he makes 65k in the upcoming year, I can prove that it is more likely advantageous to stay pro one more year.
Assuming school costs him 5k a year, and assuming he has a starting (actual work salary after graduation) of 30k increasing by 3% a year, the 65k PV today is going to be worth more than the slight advantage he has getting out of school earlier. Of course if going to school earlier lands him a CEO job 30 years down the road then this isn't true, but assuming standard procedure it actually makes more sense to play SC2.
Now for other mouz players maybe not so much, since they hardly make any prize money/salary would be my guess. But for Thorzain in particular I believe it makes sense. That doesn't include the fact that if he enjoys the game then that's an added non-monetary benefit as well.
EDIT: I haven't taken tax into account as I am not familiar with Swedish and Korean tax law (I am actually a tax accountant in Canada), nor am I familiar with any tax treaties. This could potentially change the argument towards going to school earlier, but it's too hard to say at this point.
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Really nice pickup by EG. Looking forward to see Thorzain in MLG.
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On May 10 2012 07:54 ignoh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 07:46 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:17 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 07:09 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 07:01 CeriseCherries wrote:On May 10 2012 06:55 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:53 FairForever wrote:On May 10 2012 06:52 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 06:47 mahO wrote:
People saying "nooo" "oh no I hate EG", well, idiots, I'm not a huge fan of EG but guess what? They allowed Thorzain to stay in the SC2 pro scene and play, thats right, you ungrateful nerds should realize sometimes that it is those people that are actually making esport live...
And again, not an EG fan...
On topic, gl to both, feel like Thorzain should be a new kickstart for EG's results, seems needed those days If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports. Because you know what's best for Thorzain better than he knows himself, right? Yes. well considering huk is reportedly paid 6 figures... i think its not that bad How long can he keep that up ? From economical (which I am arguing from) standpoint your best bet is going to school. Of course from general point of view I cannot know what is best for ThorZain. But school is statistically your best bet anyway in nearly all scenarios. If that's the case you should be telling everyone in mouz to go to school, because economically all of them are being stupid for doing pro-gaming, no? Few things. If I was rationally advising them on what should they do, I would tell them all to go to school. So yes, all mouz players (all smart enough SC2 players without higher education in general) should continue with education instead of playing SC2. But ultimately it is their choice and they are free to do stupid things and pursue whatever they want. Thus I am not arguing from rational advisor standpoint, because I am not responsible for them. The argument I was making was to point out that people saying that we should praise EG for making ThorZain economically well off are missing the fact that him going to school would make him economically even better off in the long term. To summarize, I was not saying what he should do. I was saying that there is no reason to praise/not hate EG for the money, as if we actually cared about ThorZain being well off we should encourage him to quit SC2. But people do not care purely about him being well off. People want him to play SC2 first and having a lot of money second. They can use the money to go to take a break from progaming to go to school...You speak as if school is free
In his country pretty close to it.
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EG Fightning - ThorZaIN Fightning! Great pick-up and great opportunity for Marcus. GL & HF in Korea!
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