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Hi TL!
I'm looking for streams/VODs of master league zerg players that have significantly lower APM than their peers. Not necessarily super low, just not the "holy s**t he's fast, I could never play like that"-feel that you get from watching pro streams. As a ballpark figure this would preferably mean double digit APM but the exact figure isn't important.
Basically I'm looking for someone who plays at a high level, at least compared to me/platinum, without relying too much on hand speed. According to SC2Gears it's pretty rare that I play someone with lower APM than myself and I doubt I'll get significantly faster anytime soon for various reasons. I think it will be easier to copy the play style and decision making of someone who's usually slower than the opponent and I'm interested in picking up tricks for doing things like flanking/scouting/multitasking/etc "well enough" without requiring too much raw speed. It's OK if it wouldn't work in the GSL because I won't be playing there anyway.
Any stream suggestions? If they provide commentary or share replays that's a HUGE plus! I'm sure there are other people who might be interested in this type of stream but I didn't find anything when searching. I saw CatZ intentionally play a game with low APM when coaching once which I really liked so that type of thing would also be interesting.
Bonus discussion: Do you think this is a good approach for improving or is the high level low APM player a myth/"illusion" that mostly comes from other players spamming? Is there really a big spread in effective APM between similar MMR-rated players in dia/master or is it mostly present in the lower leagues? Would it be better to stick to regular pro streams and try play like them even if I can't do it as fast?
Mods: Wasn't sure which forum to put this in so feel free to move it if you want.
TL,DR:
Do you know any master league zerg that has well below average APM and streams with commentary?
Thanks!
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In my experience APM comes with habbits and confidence, play more im sure you will improve. Don't know any streams like that tho.
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I have about 80 apm max (usually more around 65-70) and have always been at the top of my master divisions (with both protoss and zerg). I don't stream though, but maybe this can give you a boost to your confidence as I think you're also looking for 'proof' that you can get higher than platinum with below average APM.
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A greater percentage of the pro's have an APM that isn't skyrocketing. I remember SjoW (some time ago) had an average APM around 80-90. So if you train alot you should be able to press yourself to around 60'ish or even higher. Once you hit that speed you'll be able to understand everything from a stream. Then combine practice with whatever knowledge or ideas you get through streams.
Can't mention a stream though - sorry.
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I currently play in top Diamond and play with low-mid masters, My APM is useally around 60-80.
I think APM isn't as important, the most important part is knowing what to do when, having 150 apm isn't gonna help you if you made too many drones or didn't scout properly.
I'm talking about the APM not the EPM, since thats useally around 120-130ish i think.
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i dont think looking at slower players isnt gonna improve other players who watch those streams. You are typically looking at their decision making, not at their gosu high speed macro. Decision making is what separates good players from bad.
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Heyho  You might wanna check out Jecho:http://www.twitch.tv/jechotv He's top8 Grandmaster. He always provides commentary on his stream and like the guys above said it's not about super high APM but rather about understanding and decision making. I learned a lot watching him.
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I don't agree with the premise that you should try to mimic players that are particularly low apm as if their decision making is that much better to compensate. I think watching players that play intelligently and have good builds are the ones to watch regardless of how fast they are. You get used to the speed, and you'll become accustomed to processing the game's activity at a fast pace. You'll also probably realize that some things that on the surface seem to require a lot of multitasking, are actually not that hard to execute.
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Yea you do, everybody that posts their stream is blatantly advertising it 
But, thats what the OP is asking for so its ok.
I would post my stream, but I rarely stream so its not a big deal. Last season I was at 800-850 points in masters. I dont spam at all and if its a macro game I usually have like 40 apm after the first 5 minutes (though itll rise to like 100 throughout the rest of the game as the things I need to do increases).
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OP, If I have to say one thing to you it would be to not worry about your speed. Your speed is not what is holding you back, It is your gamesense. If you work at your knowledge of the game such as: timings, builds, scouting, strategies etc etc. then you will win a lot more and get into master league. Almost always knowledge will be better then having high APM unless you are at the top caliber of players
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I float between 5th-10th in my masters division with ~55-60 apm. I don't stream but can send you replays & suggestions/explanations if you'd like.
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The most important thing is to know what you actually want to do. Obviously you know you're going to make overlords and drones, ok good. Do you know what tech you're going to go before the game starts? Eg. If you see collosus, get some corrupter. I'ts not a decision it's a trigger. The point is if you have to decide DURING the game what you're going to do then your APM will be slower.
Also practice good habits. It's harder at first but force yourself to hotkey, and only send units for defense/offense using hot keys. Don't drag and a move, drag, hotkey, and then select hotkey, and then give command. Really you should be hotkeying units as soon as they pop or when they're still larvae.
I'd be happy to send you some replays but I don't stream. I am only diamond but you really don't need much APM. I would say on average at platinum->diamond level, zerg requires about the same APM as terran, and less than protoss.
Again the most important thing is knowing what you're going to do before you do it. Make it habit, and then you can actually have EFFECTIVE apm, honestly it doesn't matter how many times you tell that unit to attack or to scout, it's going to attack or scout at the same speed.
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Thanks for the input everyone! My average in game APM is usually 50-ish at the end of a replay and I did manage to beat all the starcraft master levels so I guess I'm not super slow. Yes I definitely know that it's not the main reason for me being in plat, I have a ton of room for improvement in other areas as well. I was looking for help on how to approach this since I don't have that much time available and need to prioritize a bit.
What I was thinking was something along the lines of if I was a low APM terran I might get more out of watching some famously slow player like SjoW/GoOdy rather than MKP since their styles are less likely to require high APM to be effective. The idea was that a slow player would be forced to prioritize the most important stuff and skip some things that a faster player would still pull off. That might give me a few less things to worry about and help deciding the game plan so to speak. Judging by the replies here I probably shouldn't care too much about APM though.
Rossbacher, I actually watched one of JEchos games yesterday and he does seem to commentate a lot which is great.
Saetia I'll check out your stream as well and I don't think it should count as advertising since you pretty much answered a direct question
pwncakery that sounds like a familiar speed, I'll send you a PM!
thurst0n: These types of suggestions are also very helpful. I'm actually very good at hotkeying my eggs and it helps so much. I'm not really using map hotkeys though which I probably should. (I have mouse acc on so have gotten a bit lazy with the scrolling since I just have to twitch a bit). My main goal from watching streams/replays is to steal strategies and establish the types of triggers you mention to get a good game plan that I have a decent chance of pulling off. If I can pick up some tricks along he way then it's a nice bonus.
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ugh, this mindset is disgusting.
"holy s**t he's fast, I could never play like that"
"I will never try and improve mechanics cause i don't believe I can."
work hard, practice alot and isolate your mechanical problems intelligently. Push yourself to the next level.
By not working on mechanics you are limiting yourself to a small number of play styles and strategies. You will never be able to macro and muta harass very well if you don't work at it. Yeah you don't need good mechanics but you'll never be one of the best without it.
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On May 08 2012 08:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
ugh, this mindset is disgusting.
"holy s**t he's fast, I could never play like that"
"I will never try and improve mechanics cause i don't believe I can."
work hard, practice alot and isolate your mechanical problems intelligently. Push yourself to the next level.
By not working on mechanics you are limiting yourself to a small number of play styles and strategies. You will never be able to macro and muta harass very well if you don't work at it. Yeah you don't need good mechanics but you'll never be one of the best without it.
Well, I prefer to call the mindset realistic rather than disgusting but point taken!
Of course I will try to improve my mechanics but in order to become one of the best like you say I'd have to spend a substantial amount of time to get there. I would love to play a lot more than I do but I simply can't. To be honest this is the first game I haven't gotten bored with in years, probably since civ 4 which would put it at around 2005..damn, time flies.
Ironically I do go muta in ZvT and sometimes vs P as well 
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On May 08 2012 17:56 chlindell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 08:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
ugh, this mindset is disgusting.
"holy s**t he's fast, I could never play like that"
"I will never try and improve mechanics cause i don't believe I can."
work hard, practice alot and isolate your mechanical problems intelligently. Push yourself to the next level.
By not working on mechanics you are limiting yourself to a small number of play styles and strategies. You will never be able to macro and muta harass very well if you don't work at it. Yeah you don't need good mechanics but you'll never be one of the best without it. Well, I prefer to call the mindset realistic rather than disgusting but point taken! Of course I will try to improve my mechanics but in order to become one of the best like you say I'd have to spend a substantial amount of time to get there. I would love to play a lot more than I do but I simply can't. To be honest this is the first game I haven't gotten bored with in years, probably since civ 4 which would put it at around 2005..damn, time flies. Ironically I do go muta in ZvT and sometimes vs P as well
I got from 130 apm to 250 apm within a month, and now im at 300-340 according to sc2 gears. (actions per real minute) Honestly, not many people realize how easily attainable this goal is. This doesn't mean you have to practice ALOT it means you need to practice EFFECTIVELY when you have time.
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I think it is not possible to effectively control your macro and micro with 50 APM, it will always work against you. With 50 APM I also think you are probably not using the most effective keyboard layout, probably not mapping your camera to locations or effectively using the camera.
So yeah, don't try to skip the mechanics phase. Put some time in memorizing camera locations for each base and hotkeys for all your buildings and units. Effectively teach yourself to never clicking on that right bottom control panel , all that should be done with keyboard. Most camera movement, do it with your keyboard. Your APM should be a 100+ in no time if you start doing this.
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how many ladder wins/ games have you played .... if it is under 500 or even 1000 you just havent played enough and your APM will improve
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By APM do you mean "APM" or EPM? (EPM as in shift+C in replays, usually 200+ for pro players)
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I'm mid to high Diamond and my APM is probably around 60-80. I play with one hand for the most part, due to a birth injury. I use ae prop in my right hand to press the shift key so that I can queu commands. Other than that I play only with my left; to operate the keys and the mouse.
That being said I dont think that APM is whats holding me back from being promoted. Its not about the APM.
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On May 08 2012 23:23 Genome852 wrote:
By APM do you mean "APM" or EPM? (EPM as in shift+C in replays, usually 200+ for pro players)
Blizzard messed up, EPM is APM in the replay tab. You can tell because EPM should be APM minus some types of actions, yet EPM is higher than APM. So blizzard got it backwards. I was saying I worked my up from 130 apm (real minutes) to 340 apm and 170 epm, real minutes according to scgears. If a retard like me can do it, anyone can.
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On May 08 2012 23:32 EnterTheWu wrote:
I'm mid to high Diamond and my APM is probably around 60-80. I play with one hand for the most part, due to a birth injury. I use ae prop in my right hand to press the shift key so that I can queu commands. Other than that I play only with my left; to operate the keys and the mouse.
That being said I dont think that APM is whats holding me back from being promoted. Its not about the APM.
APM doesn't hold you back from being promoted, however it does hold you back from certain play styles.
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On May 08 2012 23:33 RedDragon571 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 23:23 Genome852 wrote:
By APM do you mean "APM" or EPM? (EPM as in shift+C in replays, usually 200+ for pro players) Blizzard messed up, EPM is APM in the replay tab. You can tell because EPM should be APM minus some types of actions, yet EPM is higher than APM. So blizzard got it backwards. I was saying I worked my up from 130 apm (real minutes) to 340 apm and 170 epm, real minutes according to scgears. If a retard like me can do it, anyone can.
Does your high apm actually have a point? Are you doing useful stuff with it? Are you forgetting other important things because of it?
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On May 08 2012 23:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 23:33 RedDragon571 wrote:On May 08 2012 23:23 Genome852 wrote:
By APM do you mean "APM" or EPM? (EPM as in shift+C in replays, usually 200+ for pro players) Blizzard messed up, EPM is APM in the replay tab. You can tell because EPM should be APM minus some types of actions, yet EPM is higher than APM. So blizzard got it backwards. I was saying I worked my up from 130 apm (real minutes) to 340 apm and 170 epm, real minutes according to scgears. If a retard like me can do it, anyone can. Does your high apm actually have a point? Are you doing useful stuff with it? Are you forgetting other important things because of it?
Lol, what would be the point of training my mechanics if I am forgetting important thing, when you play fast, you almost can't forget things because your seeing your base, army and more of the map more times per minute.
Yes, EAPM, according to sc2 gears is effective actions per minute. A lot of the APM difference according to sc2 gears is about Micro and army movement. High apm players can create and capitalize on more situations because they can be out on the map moving around. Also with high apm you can harass your opponent and macro behind it, which if the opponents mechanics are weak they will fall apart in build order and macro while trying to manage harass at multiple locations. I play zerg, so there is more to do in general than other races, injects, creep spread, getting set up for surrounds, counterattacks while being attacks, trying to defend drops with melee units ect.
You don't need to high apm to be a successful player, esp if you play toss, however it limits the type of play styles you are able to play correctly.
From my exp with sc2gears, about 90 apm or 65 blizz (blizz EPM is APM per blizzard minute, yes its backward TT) is required for good macro, The difference comes in what players can get done with micro.
TL:DR If you have 100 apm or lower, to get to high masters or be a successful pro player, you better have super solid refined builds and great decision making, because they will be making up for your lack of multitasking pressure and forcing less decisions for your opponent to make.
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RedDragon571: Any tips on how to effectively practice this, preferably without spamming? Just trying to play FASTER ignoring misclicks or how did you approach it? I had some CTS in my mouse hand (mostly from work) but after seeing a doc and changing some equipment I have pretty much recovered from it. Still, I would prefer to not spam-box-click like I see many players doing even if it might be helpful. My keyboard hand feels fine though, never had any problems with it.
Domus: I more or less have the default keyboard setup but I moved base cam to space for injects and control group 0 to the button above tab to squeeze in 4 ctrl groups for army and then hatches on 4, queens on 5. I am adding camera hotkeys to my bases initially but I don't think I actually use them very often while playing. I do feel that I don't have time to micro and macro properly at the same time, a lot of the time I know what I should be doing (scout, harass etc) but just don't have time to do it as well as I'd like without affecting my macro. I use hotkeys for most of the stuff except some upgrades.
Super Z: 110 league and 530 custom game wins. The customs are a mix of 1v1s, nexus wars, monobattles, star jeweled etc but I'd guess 300+ are 1v1s. I know it should improve over time but I don't really see any major improvements over the last months in SC2Gears so we'll see. I think I would benefit from some long gaming sessions but unfortunately I rarely get to play more than a handful o games at a time. Been playing since late season 1.
Genome852: I mean the average in the regular APM tab. I opened a "55 APM at the end" replay in sc2 gears and there is shows up as 75. Too many ways of calculating APM I think  On the positive side I only seem to have about 15% redundancy.
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"You don't need to high apm to be a successful player, esp if you play toss, however it limits the type of play styles you are able to play correctly."
This was one of the main reasons I had for creating this thread. I figured that by copying a lower APM player I'd avoid trying to copy play styles that rely too much on speed for me to be effective with them. Luckily zerg doesn't have to do marine splits but there are always a ton of other things to do so I always feel like I'm too slow to do all the things I need to be doing.
I don't have any grand plans for this game I just play it as a hobby. That said, I obviously want to get better at it or I wouldn't be posting help threads on TL! My initial goal was getting to plat which I did, now I mainly play customs because it's less stressful even if I might face much better players and get roflstomped sometimes. Even got to play a GM once which ended in just that, fun to try though!
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Streams aren't going to improve your APM. Go play more.
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On May 08 2012 23:23 Genome852 wrote:
By APM do you mean "APM" or EPM? (EPM as in shift+C in replays, usually 200+ for pro players)
I think he is talking about SC2Gear APM.
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Rather than lecturing you on why you're wrong and you should feel bad, I'm going to answer your question.
Bobstaman (http://www.twitch.tv/bobstaman) is one of my favorite streamers specifically for this reason. He plays plenty fast enough to do well in high masters but he doesn't APM spam and move the camera around so fast that you can't see what he's doing. It's very easy to follow his decision making process because you can actually see what's happening. He also provides commentary and is always happy to answer questions about the game and his play.
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I'm in silver and I play with 100-120 apm with no more than 25-30% redundancy (which means that I have 80-90 eapm). It must not be that hard to work it up i guess.
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On May 09 2012 01:12 Legion710 wrote:
Streams aren't going to improve your APM. Go play more.
Agreed, that should be the main focus. However, I wasn't sure if I should consider my own speed when picking streams. I wanted to watch some anyway and I have gotten some nice feedback in this thread.
On May 09 2012 01:30 SwordfishConspiracy wrote:Rather than lecturing you on why you're wrong and you should feel bad, I'm going to answer your question. Bobstaman ( http://www.twitch.tv/bobstaman) is one of my favorite streamers specifically for this reason. He plays plenty fast enough to do well in high masters but he doesn't APM spam and move the camera around so fast that you can't see what he's doing. It's very easy to follow his decision making process because you can actually see what's happening. He also provides commentary and is always happy to answer questions about the game and his play.
Don't worry about it, I'm a grownup and can handle it just fine! Wouldn't say the same for my kids though haha. If you think my reasoning is wrong feel free to shoot it down "Belial-style" 
Thanks for the link I will check it out!
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destiny and maybe sheth
otherwise i would just look in the TL streamin list (that is huge) and check out some High master/low GM zerg that isnt that popular, some of them dont have unbelievable high apm aswell but u can learn alot from them, also because they often answer questions cuz they dont have that many viewers.
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I think it was day9 who said that it takes somewhere around 60 apm if used to full effectiveness to do everything you need to do in this game. I feel this game relies a lot more on good decision making than fast hands. fast hands don't hurt of course because they allow you to make a few more clicks to get around and make those decisions based on more info. take all of this with a grain of salt though, I'm gold league with roughly 40-60 apm per game. I do watch a lot of streaming though and try to take in as much as I can because my playing time is very limited. It's just easier to watch than to invest the time to play.
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Pretty much any "pro" player is going to have APM that you consider to be high. You should instead watch streams for players whose gameplay reveals a focus on strategy rather than mechanics. While the best players have great mechanics and decision-making, there really aren't very many players like that out there. The following are some Zerg players who I think are more focused on decision-making than mechanics:
* FitzyHere
* SortOf
* TLO
* Golden
* Stephano
* Yugioh
At the other end of the spectrum are the guys who differentiate themselves with quick reactions and good multi-tasking:
* Vibe
* Daisuki
* CrazyMoving
* Snute
* Phoenix
* JEcho
Don't think that the former won't lose to cheese, or that the latter won't give up their army for nothing.
Personally SortOf is my favorite stream for watching good decision-making. Poor guy only ever has 5-10 viewers, which is a shame as he's been top GM on EU and NA for a good while now, is very mannered, and talks to viewers in chat.
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Thanks, that's a big list! Any relation to ManBearPig?
I won't have time to check out all of them since I don't watch that much but I've seen Stephano, JEcho and Snute a little bit before. I've only seen Snute once and I kinda liked what I saw but I rarely watch live and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any archive. I found myself in almost the exact same situation as I saw him in on stream and just tried to do what I remembered him doing. Ended up with the toss player rage-quitting after saying that Z was ridiculous.
I remember SortOf from his nice run at dreamhack, I'll support my fellow swede a bit and tune in.
It might sound like I'm watching a lot of streams instead of playing and wondering why my APM is low. That's not really the case though, I spend a lot more time in game than watching streams. Can't say the same for TL and reddit though but I blame whoever invented the smartphone!
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APM comes from being familiar with a race.
When I play Protoss my APM is much higher then Zerg just because I don't have to think about what I'm doing, everything just goes automatically.
With Zerg I have that to a lesser extent so I spend more time thinking = less time doing something = lower APM.
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On May 09 2012 04:55 Jakkerr wrote:
APM comes from being familiar with a race.
When I play Protoss my APM is much higher then Zerg just because I don't have to think about what I'm doing, everything just goes automatically.
With Zerg I have that to a lesser extent so I spend more time thinking = less time doing something = lower APM.
yeah it takes a lot of time to learn all the match-ups and opposing build orders and the best way to counter them but once you get that understanding you spend a lot less time thinking and more time just doing what needs to be done automatically and then it opens up more time for you to do other things like maneuver your army, macro probes/units/upgrades, scout, etc. also helps a lot to know all the hotkeys for your race and to use all your available hotkeys - 1 thru 0 and f1-f4 i went from using about 2 hotkeys to using all of them and my apm almost doubled just from doing that
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hey im a master zerg and my apm is generally lower than the people im playing against (around 90-100 eapm, 180 real apm)
my streams at twitch.tv/ekstazija
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On May 08 2012 00:06 Mentalizor wrote:
A greater percentage of the pro's have an APM that isn't skyrocketing. I remember SjoW (some time ago) had an average APM around 80-90. So if you train alot you should be able to press yourself to around 60'ish or even higher. Once you hit that speed you'll be able to understand everything from a stream. Then combine practice with whatever knowledge or ideas you get through streams.
Can't mention a stream though - sorry.
its around 150, most GM players don't really have APM under 120, i do however know a zerg who has a consistent 150 APM, although i doubt he would give you replays
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On May 08 2012 23:50 RedDragon571 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 23:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 08 2012 23:33 RedDragon571 wrote:On May 08 2012 23:23 Genome852 wrote:
By APM do you mean "APM" or EPM? (EPM as in shift+C in replays, usually 200+ for pro players) Blizzard messed up, EPM is APM in the replay tab. You can tell because EPM should be APM minus some types of actions, yet EPM is higher than APM. So blizzard got it backwards. I was saying I worked my up from 130 apm (real minutes) to 340 apm and 170 epm, real minutes according to scgears. If a retard like me can do it, anyone can. Does your high apm actually have a point? Are you doing useful stuff with it? Are you forgetting other important things because of it? Lol, what would be the point of training my mechanics if I am forgetting important thing, when you play fast, you almost can't forget things because your seeing your base, army and more of the map more times per minute. Yes, EAPM, according to sc2 gears is effective actions per minute. A lot of the APM difference according to sc2 gears is about Micro and army movement. High apm players can create and capitalize on more situations because they can be out on the map moving around. Also with high apm you can harass your opponent and macro behind it, which if the opponents mechanics are weak they will fall apart in build order and macro while trying to manage harass at multiple locations. I play zerg, so there is more to do in general than other races, injects, creep spread, getting set up for surrounds, counterattacks while being attacks, trying to defend drops with melee units ect. You don't need to high apm to be a successful player, esp if you play toss, however it limits the type of play styles you are able to play correctly.From my exp with sc2gears, about 90 apm or 65 blizz (blizz EPM is APM per blizzard minute, yes its backward TT) is required for good macro, The difference comes in what players can get done with micro. TL:DR If you have 100 apm or lower, to get to high masters or be a successful pro player, you better have super solid refined builds and great decision making, because they will be making up for your lack of multitasking pressure and forcing less decisions for your opponent to make.
If you dont mind my asking, how many points/what league are you?
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On May 09 2012 05:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 23:50 RedDragon571 wrote:On May 08 2012 23:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 08 2012 23:33 RedDragon571 wrote:On May 08 2012 23:23 Genome852 wrote:
By APM do you mean "APM" or EPM? (EPM as in shift+C in replays, usually 200+ for pro players) Blizzard messed up, EPM is APM in the replay tab. You can tell because EPM should be APM minus some types of actions, yet EPM is higher than APM. So blizzard got it backwards. I was saying I worked my up from 130 apm (real minutes) to 340 apm and 170 epm, real minutes according to scgears. If a retard like me can do it, anyone can. Does your high apm actually have a point? Are you doing useful stuff with it? Are you forgetting other important things because of it? Lol, what would be the point of training my mechanics if I am forgetting important thing, when you play fast, you almost can't forget things because your seeing your base, army and more of the map more times per minute. Yes, EAPM, according to sc2 gears is effective actions per minute. A lot of the APM difference according to sc2 gears is about Micro and army movement. High apm players can create and capitalize on more situations because they can be out on the map moving around. Also with high apm you can harass your opponent and macro behind it, which if the opponents mechanics are weak they will fall apart in build order and macro while trying to manage harass at multiple locations. I play zerg, so there is more to do in general than other races, injects, creep spread, getting set up for surrounds, counterattacks while being attacks, trying to defend drops with melee units ect. You don't need to high apm to be a successful player, esp if you play toss, however it limits the type of play styles you are able to play correctly.From my exp with sc2gears, about 90 apm or 65 blizz (blizz EPM is APM per blizzard minute, yes its backward TT) is required for good macro, The difference comes in what players can get done with micro. TL:DR If you have 100 apm or lower, to get to high masters or be a successful pro player, you better have super solid refined builds and great decision making, because they will be making up for your lack of multitasking pressure and forcing less decisions for your opponent to make. If you dont mind my asking, how many points/what league are you?
http://sc2ranks.com/us/885365/BugRancher
Mid Master
My playstyle is very agressive using multipronged attacks to outplay or get an advantage. You can't really do that with 100 apm and maintain good macro. I am not saying im the best or anything, but not working on mechanics limits your options. : /
I do free coaching and I focus heavily on cleaning up players mechanics, I am still constantly working on mine myself even.
If you guys want any tips to improving APM, msg me or pm Bugrancher.689
Don't be offended by the lack of apm needed for toss. It's just toss unfortunately doesn't have many fast harass units and a lot of timings you have to sit in your base and try and keep from losing your valuable army.
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Double-digit APM doesn't just sound low, but unacceptably low.
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How about dimaga? I don't remember him being blazing fast but hes' really good of course.
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On May 07 2012 23:59 chlindell wrote:
Basically I'm looking for someone who plays at a high level, at least compared to me/platinum, without relying too much on hand speed. According to SC2Gears it's pretty rare that I play someone with lower APM than myself and I doubt I'll get significantly faster anytime soon for various reasons. I think it will be easier to copy the play style and decision making of someone who's usually slower than the opponent and I'm interested in picking up tricks for doing things like flanking/scouting/multitasking/etc "well enough" without requiring too much raw speed.
Bonus discussion: Do you think this is a good approach for improving or is the high level low APM player a myth/"illusion" that mostly comes from other players spamming? Is there really a big spread in effective APM between similar MMR-rated players in dia/master or is it mostly present in the lower leagues? Would it be better to stick to regular pro streams and try play like them even if I can't do it as fast?
There's a vast difference between APM and reaction speed. It's like the difference between bandwidth and latency. As a platinum player, it's very unlikely that your APM (bandwidth) is so low that you can't fit in all the things you want to do. If you feel that you are doing stuff too slow, the much more likely culprit is your reaction speed (latency).
The things you mention - flanking, multitasking and scouting - are more about map awareness (in the sense of having the mindset to think about the terrain and zones of control) than click speed. Have you tried hotkeying map locations? That helps a lot.
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