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enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
September 20 2012 04:57 GMT
#1761
Can someone tell me what this "goodgame" means? Why does the program need a "goodgame"?
1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
September 20 2012 05:37 GMT
#1762
Have you updated? You don't need a good game to see the graph anymore.

For accurate MMR, the analyzer needs a good game (enough valid data for algorithm to work right). I don't know specifics. Just play more, you'll eventually a good game.
FCLogan
Profile Joined August 2012
49 Posts
September 20 2012 06:11 GMT
#1763
On September 20 2012 13:57 enemy2010 wrote:
Can someone tell me what this "goodgame" means? Why does the program need a "goodgame"?


A good game is one that can accurately predict your MMR. As off the latest version, a good game is not required to provide you with an estimate of your MMR. However, till you get a good game, you won't have a very accurate MMR rating.

A good game is one where the points you win/lose and the points your opponent wins/lose gives enough data for the plugin to determine your MMR. This does not happen very often because if you win too many points, for example, the plugin cannot accurately predict your MMR based on the game. Using the ramscanner will also improve your chance of having a good game because the ramscanner allows the plugin to gain access to some pre-game opponent information, such as their available bonus pool.

beniblanco
Profile Joined August 2012
3 Posts
September 20 2012 07:37 GMT
#1764
This tool was working very well a few weeks ago.
But it seems that now he has several troubles with my account.

Since new season, even if I play in silver league and have a ratio win/loss > 50%, my mmr is around 550 (bronze)...(during last season I reached around a score of 900)
It is like my level is declining...

Maybe true but I am little bit suspicious...

Anyway nice work.
BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 20 2012 08:51 GMT
#1765
I bet you knew this question would come up, when you coded the MMR prediction, so here goes.

I had 6 games without the "guesstimator" aka MMR prediction last week and then 1 with it yesterday. After the 1 with it, it showed my predicted MMR very close, partially above, to the Gold promo line (so around 850).
The next game was a good one already (RAM scanner on ) and my real MMR was shown, but dropping my complete graph to mid silver (around 650).
So here's the question. Could this mean that my skill is actually near Gold promo line (850), but Blizzard rates my MMR much lower (650)? (Maybe because I don't play enough and can't win enough to get my MMR up?)
I know the prediction isn't meant to be very accurate, but I believe your tool, even your MMR prediction, more than I believe Blizzard (tbh a little bit, because your prediction showed me a higher skill value , but then mainly, because I have lost all trust in any values from Blizzard).

Also... not very important, but have you deactivated the upload to website function? It doesn't seem to save the URL I set even. Unfortunately this keeps me from testing my php script that should write the MMR stats into a database (I would post the code here, but not if it doesn't work as I'd like it to).
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InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
September 20 2012 10:02 GMT
#1766
On September 20 2012 17:51 BurningRanger wrote:
I bet you knew this question would come up, when you coded the MMR prediction, so here goes.

I had 6 games without the "guesstimator" aka MMR prediction last week and then 1 with it yesterday. After the 1 with it, it showed my predicted MMR very close, partially above, to the Gold promo line (so around 850).
The next game was a good one already (RAM scanner on ) and my real MMR was shown, but dropping my complete graph to mid silver (around 650).
So here's the question. Could this mean that my skill is actually near Gold promo line (850), but Blizzard rates my MMR much lower (650)? (Maybe because I don't play enough and can't win enough to get my MMR up?)
I know the prediction isn't meant to be very accurate, but I believe your tool, even your MMR prediction, more than I believe Blizzard (tbh a little bit, because your prediction showed me a higher skill value , but then mainly, because I have lost all trust in any values from Blizzard).

Also... not very important, but have you deactivated the upload to website function? It doesn't seem to save the URL I set even. Unfortunately this keeps me from testing my php script that should write the MMR stats into a database (I would post the code here, but not if it doesn't work as I'd like it to).



All the promotion lines were switched around this week, meaning your mmr would be as well. I for one went from low master to mid diamond at the start of season 5 (according to the plugin, and a demotion). I think it's safe to say the plugin is accurate. Blizzard just changed some things.
Cereal
Namelless
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany38 Posts
September 20 2012 10:44 GMT
#1767
I play nearly only against gold-players in the ladder, for exampel (30 games=25 gold, 2 platinum, 3 silver) so im wondering why my graph is still under the goldline (i promoted to gold 3 games after new season)

its very stable too, so if it would be correct, i would have been demoted yes?

maybe its a problem that the only good games were against silver players? (as said had same amount of games vs platinum, and won there too)

only interested what you think about it, dont understand why my mmr is at this point and im not demoted yet, maybe it still needs more games to demote me again? or the offsets are wrong?

my bnet is: Namelless
BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 20 2012 10:59 GMT
#1768
On September 20 2012 19:44 Namelless wrote:
I play nearly only against gold-players in the ladder, for exampel (30 games=25 gold, 2 platinum, 3 silver) so im wondering why my graph is still under the goldline (i promoted to gold 3 games after new season)

its very stable too, so if it would be correct, i would have been demoted yes?

maybe its a problem that the only good games were against silver players? (as said had same amount of games vs platinum, and won there too)

only interested what you think about it, dont understand why my mmr is at this point and im not demoted yet, maybe it still needs more games to demote me again? or the offsets are wrong?

my bnet is: Namelless

Answered numerous times... the promotion lines are not accurate right now, but your MMR is.
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Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
September 20 2012 11:36 GMT
#1769
On September 20 2012 17:51 BurningRanger wrote:
I had 6 games without the "guesstimator" aka MMR prediction last week and then 1 with it yesterday. After the 1 with it, it showed my predicted MMR very close, partially above, to the Gold promo line (so around 850).
The next game was a good one already (RAM scanner on ) and my real MMR was shown, but dropping my complete graph to mid silver (around 650).
So here's the question. Could this mean that my skill is actually near Gold promo line (850), but Blizzard rates my MMR much lower (650)? (Maybe because I don't play enough and can't win enough to get my MMR up?)
I know the prediction isn't meant to be very accurate, but I believe your tool, even your MMR prediction, more than I believe Blizzard (tbh a little bit, because your prediction showed me a higher skill value , but then mainly, because I have lost all trust in any values from Blizzard).

Also... not very important, but have you deactivated the upload to website function? It doesn't seem to save the URL I set even.

Post your analyzer log and graph (disable Moving Avg, enable Opponent/Dots, show silver+gold promotion lines)

What do you mean Blizzard rates your MMR much lower? The MMR tool tries to calculate your Blizzard MMR, which is a hidden value. Your latest good game MMR should be more accurate than your old MMR that was guesstimated from bad data. MMR plugin and bnet data were bugged for the last few weeks; plugin seems okay now.

The promotion lines and everyone's MMR dropped when the new season started last week, but the graph doesn't show that dip anymore. Checking 'Achieved Data' will show the old games, not sure if this is what you mean.

Prediction means that it guesstimates / fills in the blanks the best it can with the (bad) data. If the analyzer gets a good game, it means the better/accurate MMR algorithm can be used. [Skeldark, have you figured out how to get exact MMR now that division tiers are gone?]

I think the output to file/webpage function is used to export/backup your data once. It's like Save As, not Auto-Save; don't think it's designed to continuously export, and thus the url isn't stored.
BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 20 2012 12:18 GMT
#1770
On September 20 2012 20:36 lysergic wrote:
Post your analyzer log and graph (disable Moving Avg, enable Opponent/Dots, show silver+gold promotion lines)

What do you mean Blizzard rates your MMR much lower? The MMR tool tries to calculate your Blizzard MMR, which is a hidden value. Your latest good game MMR should be more accurate than your old MMR that was guesstimated from bad data. MMR plugin and bnet data were bugged for the last few weeks; plugin seems okay now.

The promotion lines and everyone's MMR dropped when the new season started last week, but the graph doesn't show that dip anymore. Checking 'Achieved Data' will show the old games, not sure if this is what you mean.

Prediction means that it guesstimates / fills in the blanks the best it can with the (bad) data. If the analyzer gets a good game, it means the better/accurate MMR algorithm can be used. [Skeldark, have you figured out how to get exact MMR now that division tiers are gone?]

I think the output to file/webpage function is used to export/backup your data once. It's like Save As, not Auto-Save; don't think it's designed to continuously export, and thus the url isn't stored.

Can't post analyzer log, cos i'm at work, but it's not really important. I guess you guys misread into my post that I want to say there's a flaw in MMRstats tool, but I'm not.
I just suspected that MMRstats predicted my MMR to be close to Gold from the data it collected in the few games I played this season. Eventually it could read what Blizzard thinks my MMR should be (mid silver) and dragged my whole graph down.
This could then mean that my skill was actually higher, but i'm not playing/winning enough to push my MMR up (because MMR can just make small steps up and down per game).
Again, this is just some kind of theory about how low ingame activity also effects your MMR (regardless of skill). Or from a different angle: If I skipped a season to reset my MMR (provided this works for me; for some it hasn't), played 5 placement matches, I might get placed into Gold right away (or at least Blizzard would rate my MMR somewhat higher). This would maybe get me up faster than playing every season, but just few games per week.

About the output: No there's no auto-upload, but there's an upload button at the top. Clicking on it would usually upload to whatever you have set in the options. It doesn't now, because the location to upload to isn't saved. It doesn't work putting the URL in the options and hitting the upload button there in the options. So, the upload to URL function doesn't work right now.
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Namelless
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 12:24:58
September 20 2012 12:23 GMT
#1771
On September 20 2012 19:59 BurningRanger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 19:44 Namelless wrote:
I play nearly only against gold-players in the ladder, for exampel (30 games=25 gold, 2 platinum, 3 silver) so im wondering why my graph is still under the goldline (i promoted to gold 3 games after new season)

its very stable too, so if it would be correct, i would have been demoted yes?

maybe its a problem that the only good games were against silver players? (as said had same amount of games vs platinum, and won there too)

only interested what you think about it, dont understand why my mmr is at this point and im not demoted yet, maybe it still needs more games to demote me again? or the offsets are wrong?

my bnet is: Namelless

Answered numerous times... the promotion lines are not accurate right now, but your MMR is.



hmmm, he only said that the league offsets are_maybe_about_maybe_70 points wrong (did not mention a special league too), thought it would help to determine the correctness of this statement (again maybe)

nevertheless i apologize for this nearly useless 2 last posts ^^

edit: dont know if i did understand your last post wrong, but ofc skeldark has all of our data because its autouploaded
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 12:50:55
September 20 2012 12:47 GMT
#1772
How can i find the "Guess/estimated MMR" with the program, so far haven't had any 'good games' but curious to see where roughly the level is. Also if someone could answer what MMR levels are for each league. (IE Diamond = ????? MMR, Master = ????? MMR, GM = ???? MMR) etc

Sorry, im tired and cant be bothered reading 90 pages to find an answer.

Thanks guys <3

Edit: Whats ramscanner lol
Hello friends:)
Namelless
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany38 Posts
September 20 2012 12:53 GMT
#1773
On September 20 2012 21:47 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
How can i find the "Guess/estimated MMR" with the program, so far haven't had any 'good games' but curious to see where roughly the level is. Also if someone could answer what MMR levels are for each league. (IE Diamond = ????? MMR, Master = ????? MMR, GM = ???? MMR) etc

Sorry, im tired and cant be bothered reading 90 pages to find an answer.

Thanks guys <3

Edit: Whats ramscanner lol



you dont have to ... just read the first post with all of its spoilers, not too much work and will answer all of your questions ^^
BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 20 2012 12:58 GMT
#1774
On September 20 2012 21:23 Namelless wrote:
edit: dont know if i did understand your last post wrong, but ofc skeldark has all of our data because its autouploaded

Uhm, I think we're talking about different things. You know there's an option to save your MMR stats to a file or upload it to a webpage of your choice? This is the Tab Output in the Options and the most right button at the top (with that arrow pointing upwards) for.
I asked for it some time ago to make something like an MMR ranking list and skeldark was so kind to implement it. I played around with php to have MMRstats upload my stats onto a webpage that puts it into a database. Theoretically everyone could upload to the same webby which would fill my database with all their MMRs and I could output a list sorted by MMR (which would be kind of a league-less, pure MMR ladder). I just had some problems overwriting already existing player stats last time it worked, and now that the output/upload function doesn't work, I can't test further.
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BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 20 2012 13:06 GMT
#1775
On September 20 2012 21:47 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
How can i find the "Guess/estimated MMR" with the program, so far haven't had any 'good games' but curious to see where roughly the level is. Also if someone could answer what MMR levels are for each league. (IE Diamond = ????? MMR, Master = ????? MMR, GM = ???? MMR) etc

Sorry, im tired and cant be bothered reading 90 pages to find an answer.

Thanks guys <3

Edit: Whats ramscanner lol

If you've updated to the last version, MMRstats should show your guesstimated MMR (I think right after 1 game with the actual version running) as long as it doesn't have a good game.

MMR levels aka promotion lines can be seen in the tool, but they're somewhat off at the moment (upto 70 points said skeldark).

RAMscanner scans your RAM during a game, which will give a lot better data for the tool. Leaving it off can cause you to wait way longer for a good game. Please also read the disclaimer about RAMscanner in the OP.
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ToXSiK
Profile Joined November 2010
United States83 Posts
September 20 2012 13:39 GMT
#1776
On September 20 2012 12:02 Robbie! wrote:
Pretty cool tool, I got grandmaster at the last game of this calculator.

[image loading]


you are king of proxy 2 gate, 4 gate, and cannon rush on NA ladder. :[

Also, GM is around 2700-2800 mmr, skeledark (On NA), might want to change that for the next update.
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Namelless
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 13:56:57
September 20 2012 13:56 GMT
#1777
@burningranger

ahh ic

so if skeldark fix the issue and you will get it to work (again) please let us know, i'm very intereset to facilitate this by uploading my data there too
Overload
Profile Joined November 2010
Italy1 Post
September 20 2012 22:04 GMT
#1778
If that helps, i got promoted in diamond at about 1250-1300 mmr.

Now i'm top ten in my division, but the graph still put me between plat and diamond
Overload#463 (EU)
FCLogan
Profile Joined August 2012
49 Posts
September 21 2012 00:27 GMT
#1779
On September 21 2012 07:04 Overload wrote:
If that helps, i got promoted in diamond at about 1250-1300 mmr.

Now i'm top ten in my division, but the graph still put me between plat and diamond



Top 10 in division means nothing. Well it means a little more than it meant last season when top 10 in a low division almost always meant bottom of the league, but this season it still just means you play more.

With that said, the promotion line for diamond is slightly high. I was promoted to diamond below the promotion line and was only above the promotion line for one game (a few games after my promotion). However, skeldark did say his lines are not exact for promotions till he gets more data.
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
September 21 2012 00:44 GMT
#1780
On September 21 2012 09:27 FCLogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 07:04 Overload wrote:
If that helps, i got promoted in diamond at about 1250-1300 mmr.

Now i'm top ten in my division, but the graph still put me between plat and diamond



Top 10 in division means nothing. Well it means a little more than it meant last season when top 10 in a low division almost always meant bottom of the league, but this season it still just means you play more.

With that said, the promotion line for diamond is slightly high. I was promoted to diamond below the promotion line and was only above the promotion line for one game (a few games after my promotion). However, skeldark did say his lines are not exact for promotions till he gets more data.



Correct!

He believes there's up to a 70mmr variance in his promotion lines, that he'll fix when blizzard fixes their problems.
Cereal
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