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On May 04 2013 03:25 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 02:52 Meteo Rain wrote:
37 games played and it still hasn't calculated my MMR... man You might want to enable memory reader. If its off only data from matches where opponent wins & has bonus pool left can _potentially_ be used. Only 3 times this pre-requisite has been met in your 37 matches (in early season active players often have used all their bonus points as max bonus pool is still small). And for those 3 other requirements were not filled (two of those were likely playing unranked). If you have memory reader on, then your MMR can potentially be calculated from every match.
Thanks
I was just confused, that why it told me to use it at my own risk, when I first enabled it, so I kinda disabled it right away. :D
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On May 04 2013 18:01 Meteo Rain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 03:25 korona wrote:On May 04 2013 02:52 Meteo Rain wrote:
37 games played and it still hasn't calculated my MMR... man You might want to enable memory reader. If its off only data from matches where opponent wins & has bonus pool left can _potentially_ be used. Only 3 times this pre-requisite has been met in your 37 matches (in early season active players often have used all their bonus points as max bonus pool is still small). And for those 3 other requirements were not filled (two of those were likely playing unranked). If you have memory reader on, then your MMR can potentially be calculated from every match. Thanks I was just confused, that why it told me to use it at my own risk, when I first enabled it, so I kinda disabled it right away. :D
Memory reading is against Blizzard ToS, even if it is not feasible for them to detect it (it only reads character names & character IDs in the beginning of the match to be able to fetch pre-match data from the web profiles. It does not alter memory or files). Thus there is a warning when you enable it. I should probably rewrite the warning message to be understandable.
On May 04 2013 08:09 ScorpionSC wrote:
I think something maybe wrong with the memory reader. I've got it enabled, but have only been able to get 2 out of 61 good games. Profile is set right, just never seems to be able to pull a good game.
In the last version of MMR tool cap detection was fixed to match Blizzard current cap mechanics. If you are in the low MMR range of a certain league you are likely to be in cap zone where your MMR only seldom can be calculated. Also remember that I cannot check your data if I do not know your character name & server (or char id). Also in the start of the season all start with 0 ladder points. The system boosts people to reach their typical range faster --> those early games are often likely to be capped.
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On May 04 2013 22:03 korona wrote:
Memory reading is against Blizzard ToS
Thats so not correct.
In no part of the ToS it disallow to read the memory of the sc2 client directly.
Obvious... Because if so, you would not be allowed to start the game...
The ToS is written in a way that everything is allowed and everything is forbidden, depending on what they want.
So its wrong to say its against the ToS or its fine by the ToS.
Same with everything else: like installing the game , playing the game..
TLDR: the ToS have no value at all.
It depends on their mind. You could probably win a lawsuit but who would try that...
So the question is not "Is it against the ToS" the question is: "Do they do something against it"
As far as i know they 1) cant even detect it and 2) never even tried to do something against it in all the years now.
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I started using MMR-Stats again to track my promotion and I got into Masters right on schedule (around 1920 points in the tool) just like it said!
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On May 05 2013 02:30 skeldark wrote:Thats so not correct. In no part of the ToS it disallow to read the memory of the sc2 client directly. Obvious... Because if so, you would not be allowed to start the game... The ToS is written in a way that everything is allowed and everything is forbidden, depending on what they want. So its wrong to say its against the ToS or its fine by the ToS. Same with everything else: like installing the game , playing the game.. TLDR: the ToS have no value at all. It depends on their mind. You could probably win a lawsuit but who would try that... So the question is not "Is it against the ToS" the question is: "Do they do something against it" As far as i know they 1) cant even detect it and 2) never even tried to do something against it in all the years now.
It is in the terms of service that reading the parts of RAM where game stores data is not allowed by unauthorized third party software. And yes many parts of the ToS are void in many countries as local laws override those sections. But sometimes they (Blizzard) do not even care like the recent license deletion / merging case showed, as it is unlikely that they are taken to court.
And yes. It is not feasible for them to detect memory reading or not necessary even possible due to constraints set by laws. It would also risk false positives. But as it is clearly stated in the ToS, it is better to give users ability to choose.
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Hmm, My MMR shows me near Masters but I'm in Platinum, I placed in gold when it said I was in diamond MMR. Maybe the leagues increased MMR marks?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1t6HpWm.png)
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On May 05 2013 03:54 Chillyo wrote:Hmm, My MMR shows me near Masters but I'm in Platinum, I placed in gold when it said I was in diamond MMR. Maybe the leagues increased MMR marks? + Show Spoiler +
Then again you don't yet have a 'good game'. Only pre-results based on some capped games.
At the moment it seems that the offsets are the same or nearly the same. This is based on low amount of data thought. Also user graphs seem mostly logical. --> many graphs would be very spiky if offsets were clearly off. Will observe.
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I'll post when I hit Diamond and we can see where it's at.
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On May 05 2013 04:01 Chillyo wrote:
I'll post when I hit Diamond and we can see where it's at.
Better to wait to get a good game to get actual graph.
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I'm getting 75%/100% right now. I think i'm between plat and dia is why
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On May 05 2013 03:32 korona wrote:
It is in the terms of service that reading the parts of RAM where game stores data is not allowed by unauthorized third party software.
You are sure? Never saw something like that in the old WoL ToS.
In this case every virusscanner breaks the ToS.
But in anycase. Its not about the ToS, its about blizzard.
EDIT:
wait... did we not talk about exactly this some time ago...
im getting old...
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I can't get a good game to save my life, even after going 7-0!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tx8jft0.png)
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On May 05 2013 04:15 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 03:32 korona wrote:
It is in the terms of service that reading the parts of RAM where game stores data is not allowed by unauthorized third party software. You are sure? Never saw something like that in the old WoL ToS. In this case every virusscanner breaks the ToS. But in anycase. Its not about the ToS, its about blizzard. EDIT: wait... did we not talk about exactly this some time ago... im getting old...
It has been there since beginning:
http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/legal/sc2eula.html
"D. Use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces; "
Then again they have no case against virus scanners and such. Not under their control. Specifically target third party software that reads data from RAM & interprets it to use it for something. Also note that that does not include stored information such as replay files and such.
And indeed. If it is not viable to monitor a set limitation then no actions regarding it are expected.
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Ah, had to lose one I guess. Big dip in MMR after that 100% game.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3smgNhW.png)
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On May 05 2013 04:43 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:15 skeldark wrote:On May 05 2013 03:32 korona wrote:
It is in the terms of service that reading the parts of RAM where game stores data is not allowed by unauthorized third party software. You are sure? Never saw something like that in the old WoL ToS. In this case every virusscanner breaks the ToS. But in anycase. Its not about the ToS, its about blizzard. EDIT: wait... did we not talk about exactly this some time ago... im getting old... It has been there since beginning: http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/legal/sc2eula.html"D. Use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces; " Then again they have no case against virus scanners and such. Not under their control. Specifically target third party software that reads data from RAM & interprets it to use it for something. Also note that that does not include stored information such as replay files and such. And indeed. If it is not viable to monitor a set limitation then no actions regarding it are expected.
Thats new .
In the past it was only
"collects information from or through the Game or the Service"
i was making fun about that long time ago,because it basicly disallows to install the game.
Looks like the law department realized that.
@Chillyo: right-lick on the graph - save picture...
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Just hit dia, your numbers are close
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On May 05 2013 05:53 Chillyo wrote:Just hit dia, your numbers are close + Show Spoiler +
Yes. They are most of the time inside error marginals and promotions seem immediate regarding HotS (if at least 25 games played after starting from blank MMR).
Btw: In your graph you were likely in capping zone since you were promoted to plat (based on the graph would guess either match 11 or 16) until ~mid plat. Thus you were not getting good games. And now as you were promoted to diam it will likely be same case (matchmaker primarily matching you against capped diams even if you drop back to plat MMR range).
Edit: looking at the data plat promotion was around game 36 in your graph. But then again the estimates were all based on typical change against similar MMR opponent in relation to your first good game (54). And especially in ~30 or little more first matches after starting from blank MMR the MMR changes much more rapidly.
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Yeah it's just weird because I ended last season in Diamond MMR and started this season that low in gold. *shrug*
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On May 05 2013 06:15 Chillyo wrote:
Yeah it's just weird because I ended last season in Diamond MMR and started this season that low in gold. *shrug*
But are you sure you were in diamond? As the matchmaker will match you primarily against diams if you are diam even if your MMR is near gold-plat border... Those opponents just have similar MMR as you...
Edit: No good games from you from last season in uploaded data. Capped values may lead to wrong results like you saw in the pre-graph.
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