EPTClouD's World #1 - Caster/Player situation - Page 12
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
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Hundisilm
Estonia99 Posts
I believe his logic that players work hard and thus casters shouldn't get paid is a bit stupid though. People shouldn't be payed based on how hard they work, but rather how much they contribute (it is a lot more complicated than that of course, but I hope at least one of you will get what I'm trying to point at). Cloud, for example, is at the moment a pretty useless thing in the bigger picture compared to d.Apollo, for example again. The problem with low quality casters getting paid isn't the reason why many players can't get paid. They are quite separate markets in my opinion. The problem with the caster market is that it has very low supply at the moment in my opinion (which means high price and low quality). The player market on the other hand is a lot more competitive (which drives the player price down, which makes players sad). You can find relatively easily 10 people who can adequately replace Cloud, but doing that with Apollo is a lot more complicated. What I'm trying to say is that I think the whole caster vs player thing is not the correct way to look at this issue (there are many-many people who get payed more to do less than SC2 casters). They are very much different things (I can understand how someone can be frustrated, but it's still just jealousy). | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
It disgusts me when casters say things that are outright wrong, thats why it hurt me so much to watch Painuser / HD, because they had no knowledge of the game or players, but if they know how to make the cast fun, but don' try and play analyst, they can do okay. Bitterdam is very funny to listen to, the best part is all of random things about what rotterdam does on ladder AKA Void Ray All ins and the like, they both have good game knowledge aswell as player knowledge, whenever I listen to their cast of more unknown players I feel like I get to know those players. ClouD saying that because players practice 10 hours a day should get payed a lot more than casters is pretty much the same as saying "Because I practice all day I should get more money than the guy who sits at a desk answering phone calls from a company". He keeps speaking like PainUser has a gigantic following. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
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Testuser
6469 Posts
Casters chose a much more stable way of living, and as such it might not be their passion, but why is that a problem? We don't pay passionate players, we pay those that are good, produce results and show that their skill is what separates them. It's not that same line of work, it doesn't take the same kind of skill, so I don't see the big reason for comparing it. Sure there are some bad casters, but those won't survive for long, and if they do, they produce something worthwhile, else people would not pay attention to do it. In all honesty Cloud, if you don't think you're getting payed enough, either you're just not good enough, or you're not passionate enough. And no, those two don't go hand in hand, being passionate is not enough to win and go big. | ||
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Hundisilm
Estonia99 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:57 Toadvine wrote: Honestly, when a caster earns more money from an event than the winner of said event (Day9 and HuK at Dreamhack Summer 2011), you know there's something wrong with your sport. Can you elaborate why this is a problem? | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
I wish the community would show more support for the players "who live for the game". Hard work and practice doesn't get enough credit in this community and after all the proscene only exists because we have people who practice their ass off to entertain you. How many casters live for the game and get no support? There are hundreds of guys out there with youtube channels hustling constantly to get views in an already crowded field and don't get any support. This is no different between casters and players. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
BTW top players earn a lot of money and only top casters make reasonable money. there are tons of casters who do not earn any money. Cloud cannot compare himeself with Day9, because Day9 is like "Nestea of the casters". He should compare his income with the income of a scnd level caster | ||
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:38 Kaitokid wrote: The worst part for me and ClouD also mentions that in the video is that many casters don't even try to understand or increase their game knowlegde. I mean they LIVE OFF THIS GAME called Starcraft 2, but apperantly they don't even bother to learn the game properly. Am I the only one who had Tasteless come to mind when I read this? I love the guy to death, but it doesn't seem like keeps up with SC2 knowledge outside of the games he casts. The Wolftosis cast completely out shined the Tastosis cast last week because wolf seemed to have a much better grasp of what was going on. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
Well, it implies that the caster's effort is more valuable than that of the player who won. Which puts you even lower on a "competitive sport" scale than something like WWE. At least people actually watch that for the wrestlers themselves. I'm having some trouble thinking of another activity where the commentator is more important than the subject matter. Maybe some form of stand-up comedy? | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On May 02 2012 06:01 Schnullerbacke13 wrote: wtf, you are not paid for "hard work", but what the market is willing to pay. Cloud should start casting .. I'm pretty sure he'd do so instantly but realises his english is not up to it. | ||
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latan
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:28 Charon1979 wrote: I think the main problem is that Casters get people to watch a certain event. if there is Event A with Nestea, MMA and Naniwa, Event B with Stephano, Polt and Hero and Event C with DRG, MKP and Parting many people will make their decision based upon who casts these games. This is different in other sports where there is mostly just one league at a certain time and fans root for teams/players instead of casters Maybe I'm just different, but I don't care if Moletrap and Painuser are casting Event A, I'm watching that one for sure (possibly even muted). For me you'd have to go a fair distance down the ladder for me to prioritize casters over the players. Maybe if the events are something more like: A: TLO, Cloud, Hasuobs B: Monster, Feast, Kas C: Rain, Select, Morrow | ||
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testthewest
Germany274 Posts
On May 02 2012 06:09 FliedLice wrote: I'm pretty sure he'd do so instantly but realises his english is not up to it. That's what he says, but that's only half the truth. I think he would not be popular, because only few want to listen to somebody like Cloud. Just too negative and hateful. I mean: You don't want to get depressive over watching your hobby, are you? | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
On May 02 2012 06:06 iYiYi wrote: Am I the only one who had Tasteless come to mind when I read this? I love the guy to death, but it doesn't seem like keeps up with SC2 knowledge outside of the games he casts. The Wolftosis cast completely out shined the Tastosis cast last week because wolf seemed to have a much better grasp of what was going on. Sadly enough I agree. And I say sadly because I "grew up" with his casts for GOM back in brood war, which I loved. He seemed to be more on top of things back then. | ||
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:48 Silo Phylumists wrote: Think they mentioned it a couple of times on the GSL so.... They do work long hours and try to improve their cast. So let's not have them under appriciated. Having spoken to some other very well-known casters, they have confirmed Tastosis don't have half the schedule they make out they do. | ||
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Zululu
Germany4 Posts
Telling that day9 is bad or something made me a bid sad. He analizez the shit out of the games, like he did years ago. And like grubby said some hours ago live on takes stream. There are other ways to tell something like this. I also would like to mention the fame you should work for, like a TLO or Idra, if u see how MANY viewers they have on their lifestreems its awesome. Idra explodes on over 10k everytime i see him streaming. Esports going equal to other sports out there. If u want more money you need more fame and sucess. And you have to work for it, make yourself more know. Beside that Cloud is an awesome player and i respect what he said there, and i can only feel what it is like playing more than 8+ hours a day. But there a casters casting events all weekend, and this is hard work aswell. And if you heard grubby today. Day9 is working 8-10h a day. so why blame him... imo: go cast if you think its so easy. And why do ppl always know or think korean caster are so much better ??? I cant understand them. PS: SOme other point i liked was the mix between entertaining and game knowledge. for myself. I liked kaldor long time ago in wc3, in sc2 i cant enjoy him since he points out how good he is all the time. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
Someone mentioned that the casters should prepare more for their games and learn more about the players they are casting. This I 100% agree with. Whenever Sheth plays all we get to know is that he is a mannerbear (lol?). We get it! Similar can be said with other players. Why do we NEVER get to hear the age of a player, their hometown, what they did before being pro´s if they did anything and all that background stuff? I would also love to hear some funny anecdotes if the casters know any. Actually, when I think about it, Rotterdam is really good at telling stories about the players that are not game related. More casters really need to do that imo. I´ve previously criticized IGN for spamming their retarded Twitter-shit again and again every 5 mins so I am glad that Cloud brings it up as well. Catspajamas and the staff at IGN REALLY need to start treating their audience like adults and reduce the useless twitter spam to a minimum. Why not just have an overlay at the buttom of the screen with social media contacts and such? Do they really think that spamming and pissing off the viewers will make them go to twitter and press follow? Will I buy items in Diablo 2 cause I constantly get spammed by bots trying to sell me stuff? NO! I squelch the fuckers. Btw this apply to other organisations as well but IGN comes to my mind as the worst. | ||
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:29 SiroKO wrote: Tasteless is the epitome of that obscene lazyness. He is casting GSL code S, yet mixed up twilight/citadel of adun in his last cast and in all honesty, doesn't seem to play the game at all, or at best at a platinum league level. He has been in Korea for nearly 5 years yet still can't talk Korean at all. Khaldor is basically the opposite... He has strong work ethics, comments weekly tournament, try hard to learn Korean, try to meet the progamers and talk with them... I wish the last all the luck required to succeed... Every time I think of Khaldor, I think of German engineering. Striving for perfection. Always trying to adapt with good work ethic. Also agree on the Day9 part. To me people that had done so much for the community are Husky and HD. Bringing 1 million new viewers into Starcraft 2 is what I call great contribution to the community, not someone who over-hypes things and gets $20k to attend an event while pros that practice their ass off would get 500 bucks if they're lucky. | ||
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hysterial
United States2044 Posts
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