Adam Apicella (@MrMLGAdam) from MLG has just tweeted the following: Link
Well @kennigit the elephant certainly is in the room, eh? @mlg Anaheim. Buy your tickets now.
This is presumably a reference to Kennigit's Intrigue's famous thread here on TL called The Elephant in the Room, which theorized about how the day would come when the truly top-tier Korean Brood War pro's would finally cross over into StarCraft 2 and demolish the competition.
Putting two and two together... should we expect to hear about the top Brood War pro's such as Flash, etc. coming over to MLG Anaheim to compete in StarCraft 2?
More from Twitter: Adam Apicella (@MrMLGAdam): Link
@_Esca__ @sullyrabbit @kennigit @mlg the BIG announcementS (emphasize plural) have nothing to do with this HUGE one later this month
Update 1 (Thursday, Apr 26, 9:46PM PDT) with responses from MLG_Adam: (TLDR summary: yes, it seems that we'll be seeing some of the very top BW pro's in Anaheim!) + Show Spoiler +
On April 27 2012 13:19 Canucklehead wrote: Which bw pros will be at anaheim? Will they be actually playing in the tournament or just making an appearance for show? If they are playing in the tournament, will you give them a direct pool seed, such as last year with gsl and expand pools to 20 players?
No comment. If there, we would want a tournament. No comment.
On April 27 2012 13:21 MLG_Adam wrote: Oh you asked 'which'. If there, we would have the very best from each team
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
On April 27 2012 13:45 Jacmert wrote: Dear MLG_Adam, if hypothetical BW pro's were to be at MLG Anaheim, would we see said BW pro's play matches against our current SC2 pro's? (hopefully top-tier ones, too)
On April 27 2012 14:03 Nimic wrote: If BW pros attend Anaheim, will they (or potentially some of them) be part of the actual tournament, or is it more likely there will be some sort of exhibition tournament? Or potentially both?
No comment.
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
On April 27 2012 14:30 Waxangel wrote: I feel that anaheim might be too early for them to have practiced enough to be playing to their full potential, although a handful of BW pros could be competitive by then. Maybe exhibition matches/signings/etc is more likely?
Hi waxangel
Honorable mention to Jonoman92, hee hee:
On April 27 2012 14:25 Jonoman92 wrote: MLG Community Outreach Position:
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-- And a big thanks goes out to MLG_Adam for being a good sport with us so far tonight --
Update 4 (Saturday, 12:05AM PDT): (MLG_Adam tweeted a list of top BW players - "Stork,Bisu, Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Horang, Stats, Jangbi, Hydra, souldkey, leta, zero" - but then he tried to downplay our expectations in-thread. A later tweet implied that at least one of them would show up, though) + Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2012 15:35 zaii wrote: the potential BW line up at Anaheim?
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
It could also be for LoL. He also tweeted a pic of what appears to be a LoL booth, and OGN has been investing heavily into the LoL scene for a while. Plus, MLG has been hinting about LoL for quite some time.
Though some stuff about BW players and teams would also be possible.
On April 27 2012 12:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: you know you could just wait 24 hours to be sure of the announcement right?
MLG Adam's later tweet (which is at the bottom of the OP) implies that the two big announcements tomorrow are going to be separate, and that this one will be later this month? (see below)
On April 27 2012 12:33 Jacmert wrote: Adam Apicella (@MrMLGAdam):Link
@_Esca__ @sullyrabbit @kennigit @mlg the BIG announcementS (emphasize plural) have nothing to do with this HUGE one later this month
I fucking hate these announcements of an announcement. It pisses me off. Why cant they just make the announcement a surprise instead of saying "OMG GUYS WE HAVE A SUPER DUPER AWESOME ANNOUNCEMENT FOR YOU GUYS! ITS REVOLUTIONARY!" Agh.. well MLG hasn't disappointed us yet...
On April 27 2012 12:41 JiPrime wrote: If BW pros are coming to MLG to play SC2, then does that mean we'll be able to see GSL players vs KeSPA players sooner than we thought?
I am definitely paying money for that if that's true, fuck Diablo 3, it can wait.
I hope not to be honest. If anything I think it should be simple show-matches between each other, because it'd be kind of detrimental to have them just get crushed due to not enough understanding of the game. Watching Boxer toy with Yellow was one of the hardest things I've had to watch, and I was super pumped for it at first too. I'd prefer waiting a bit for the teams to get a good grasp of the game before throwing them to the wolves so we get fun entertaining games rather than one sided slaughters.
On April 27 2012 12:38 eviltomahawk wrote: It could also be for LoL. He also tweeted a pic of what appears to be a LoL booth, and OGN has been investing heavily into the LoL scene for a while. Plus, MLG has been hinting about LoL for quite some time.
Though some stuff about BW players and teams would also be possible.
in the tweet where you can see the booth, he said tomorow so this is probably about the fighting game arena
On April 27 2012 12:44 mrRoflpwn wrote: I fucking hate these announcements of an announcement. It pisses me off. Why cant they just make the announcement a surprise instead of saying "OMG GUYS WE HAVE A SUPER DUPER AWESOME ANNOUNCEMENT FOR YOU GUYS! ITS REVOLUTIONARY!" Agh.. well MLG hasn't disappointed us yet...
Some people get heart attacks from surprises. We wouldn't MLG to kill us fans, would we? Especially if God is coming to play SC2. Not everyone can physically handle such a divine event if it's a surprise.
On April 27 2012 12:36 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Doubt it, we all know it's not past MLG to word things cleverly to falsely imply shit that isn't actually going to happen
When have we not delivered on what we said we were going to do?
On April 27 2012 12:36 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Doubt it, we all know it's not past MLG to word things cleverly to falsely imply shit that isn't actually going to happen
When have we not delivered on what we said we were going to do?
Plus to feel what the foreign audience is like, as they have only ever felt it really at the GSL finals at blizzcon. at MLG you get to be face to face with many fans.
And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
On April 27 2012 12:36 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Doubt it, we all know it's not past MLG to word things cleverly to falsely imply shit that isn't actually going to happen
When have we not delivered on what we said we were going to do?
See you guys in Anaheim
Dammit Adam, stop driving me NUTS
Why would I screw with you guys about booking Anaheim hotel, flight, etc....thats a lot of money? At the end of the day I would be accountable, along with MLG, for letting you guys down. Why would I flush 10 years working here down the drain?
TRUST ME, IF YOU ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT ANAHEIM, GO. UNPRECEDENTED THINGS ARE GOING TO OCCUR...obligatory smile face
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
On April 27 2012 12:49 Grampz wrote: Bw pros coming to play HoTS.
Quote me on it
Plus to feel what the foreign audience is like, as they have only ever felt it really at the GSL finals at blizzcon. at MLG you get to be face to face with many fans.
On April 27 2012 12:36 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Doubt it, we all know it's not past MLG to word things cleverly to falsely imply shit that isn't actually going to happen
When have we not delivered on what we said we were going to do?
See you guys in Anaheim
And when you don't we get the, "Guys, we know. We messed up, we get it guys. We know" talk=)
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
Oh but rumors say that he reached Masters league without even knowing how the units in the game work in SC2.
That means he can at least take a game off from an SC2 pro, no?
If that's not an indication of his supposed greatness in SC2, I don't know what it is. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
On April 27 2012 12:36 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Doubt it, we all know it's not past MLG to word things cleverly to falsely imply shit that isn't actually going to happen
When have we not delivered on what we said we were going to do?
See you guys in Anaheim
And when you don't we get the, "Guys, we know. We messed up, we get it guys. We know" talk=)
At least we tried to deliver before those messages
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
Oh but rumors say that he reached Masters league without even knowing how the units in the game work in SC2.
If that's not an indication of his supposed greatness in SC2, I don't know what it is. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
If they do send them to mlg right now they must be pretty dumb all right ...
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
Oh but rumors say that he reached Masters league without even knowing how the units in the game work in SC2.
If that's not an indication of his supposed greatness in SC2, I don't know what it is. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
If they do send them to mlg right now they must be pretty dumb all right ...
If they send them to compete in the main event and expect them to do well they are pretty dumb that's for sure.
There's really no way that's what is going to happen.
Omgoodness, MLG Adam posted in my first ever TL thread... *swoons*
Now all I need is him to announce Megumixbear as an interviewer/personality at MLG Anaheim and I will believe in this thing called "the Internet / social media"
By the way, MLG Adam said before the Winter Arena, something like if it didn't live up to his high standards or be worth the PPV cost, he'd quit his job. And by most accounts, the Winter Arena was a big success. So I count his track record as pretty good so far
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
Oh but rumors say that he reached Masters league without even knowing how the units in the game work in SC2.
If that's not an indication of his supposed greatness in SC2, I don't know what it is. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
If they do send them to mlg right now they must be pretty dumb all right ...
If they send them to compete in the main event and expect them to do well they are pretty dumb that's for sure.
There's really no way that's what is going to happen.
If they send them to play in the main event.... regardless of how well they do, it will be the best show yet!
On April 27 2012 13:00 Jacmert wrote: Omgoodness, MLG Adam posted in my first ever TL thread... *swoons*
Now all I need is him to announce Megumixbear as an interviewer/personality at MLG Anaheim and I will believe in this thing called "the Internet / social media"
By the way, MLG Adam said before the Winter Arena, something like if it didn't live up to his high standards or be worth the PPV cost, he'd quit his job. And by most accounts, the Winter Arena was a big success. So I count his track record as pretty good so far
Thank you ! I have been doing this for 10 years, gave up law school for it...we're not messing around.
The problem is Flash is practicing BW at the same time (he needs to win this OSL to beat Nada's record !!1111).
Also getting Master's in a month isn't a big deal (yes, despite what people say, Korean bronze is not equivalent to NA Grand Master, maybe NA silver). Yellow did it in roughly a month (and for half of the month he wasn't taking his practice seriously).
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
Oh but rumors say that he reached Masters league without even knowing how the units in the game work in SC2.
If that's not an indication of his supposed greatness in SC2, I don't know what it is. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
If they do send them to mlg right now they must be pretty dumb all right ...
If they send them to compete in the main event and expect them to do well they are pretty dumb that's for sure.
There's really no way that's what is going to happen.
If they send them to play in the main event.... regardless of how well they do, it will be the best show yet!
Flash losing to a random NA player who came to the event as a spectator but signed up to play in the open bracket as well would be the biggest hype kill in the history of hype kills, and it could happen too considering he has barely played the game at this point.
Replace Flash with any other name, It's just an example.
On April 27 2012 12:36 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Doubt it, we all know it's not past MLG to word things cleverly to falsely imply shit that isn't actually going to happen
When have we not delivered on what we said we were going to do?
See you guys in Anaheim
Dammit Adam, stop driving me NUTS
Why would I screw with you guys about booking Anaheim hotel, flight, etc....thats a lot of money? At the end of the day I would be accountable, along with MLG, for letting you guys down. Why would I flush 10 years working here down the drain?
TRUST ME, IF YOU ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT ANAHEIM, GO. UNPRECEDENTED THINGS ARE GOING TO OCCUR...obligatory smile face
The thing is if you have everything ready, why not just announce instead of teasing and waiting and then tell people to book for anaheim instead of relying on faith? Would make more sense to do.
On April 27 2012 13:00 Jacmert wrote: Omgoodness, MLG Adam posted in my first ever TL thread... *swoons*
Now all I need is him to announce Megumixbear as an interviewer/personality at MLG Anaheim and I will believe in this thing called "the Internet / social media"
By the way, MLG Adam said before the Winter Arena, something like if it didn't live up to his high standards or be worth the PPV cost, he'd quit his job. And by most accounts, the Winter Arena was a big success. So I count his track record as pretty good so far
Thank you ! I have been doing this for 10 years, gave up law school for it...we're not messing around.
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
Oh but rumors say that he reached Masters league without even knowing how the units in the game work in SC2.
If that's not an indication of his supposed greatness in SC2, I don't know what it is. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
If they do send them to mlg right now they must be pretty dumb all right ...
If they send them to compete in the main event and expect them to do well they are pretty dumb that's for sure.
There's really no way that's what is going to happen.
Flash losing to a random NA player who came to the event as a spectator but signed up to play in the open bracket as well would be the biggest hype kill in the history of hype kills, and it could happen too considering he has barely played the game at this point.
Replace Flash with any other name, It's just an example.
It wouldn't kill the hype, only the irrational hype. It is what it is.... if he's going to play SC2 its, better to know where he stands than try and hide.
Thats what sports is about, testing your level. If he loses to some scrub, that's just motivation.
I agree. I think that people need to just come out and say it if there is some BW pros coming to an arena or even Anaheim. Im with everyone else and agree that they will prob get crushed unless they have a sick set of partners to train with and give them strats and build orders. It will be fun to see flash rape but if they think they can come in 1 month and crush they are in for a world of hurt.
They haven't even said if the bw pros will even play in the tournament yet. For all you know, they could just be coming to play showmatches and play Heart of the swarm.
On April 27 2012 13:09 Canucklehead wrote: They haven't even said if the bw pros will even play in the tournament yet. For all you know, they could just be coming to play showmatches and play Heart of the swarm.
Adam gave up law school..... he wouldn't do that for damn showmatch of a beta game!!!!!
On April 27 2012 12:51 JiPrime wrote: And here I thought in the other thread I got the impression that KeSPA players like Flash will totally smite the GSL players. C'mon, what's with the sudden change of confidence? You guys have FLASH ffs.
If flash was playing sc2 for 2 years full time of course he will take you guys down in a minute not a problem .
Oh but rumors say that he reached Masters league without even knowing how the units in the game work in SC2.
If that's not an indication of his supposed greatness in SC2, I don't know what it is. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
If they do send them to mlg right now they must be pretty dumb all right ...
If they send them to compete in the main event and expect them to do well they are pretty dumb that's for sure.
There's really no way that's what is going to happen.
Flash losing to a random NA player who came to the event as a spectator but signed up to play in the open bracket as well would be the biggest hype kill in the history of hype kills, and it could happen too considering he has barely played the game at this point.
Replace Flash with any other name, It's just an example.
It wouldn't kill the hype, only the irrational hype. It is what it is.... if he's going to play SC2 its, better to know where he stands than try and hide.
Thats what sports is about, testing your level. If he loses to some scrub, that's just motivation.
I'm not going to argue this, no one wants to see them come and try to compete in a big event if they are not ready, and It's not going to happen so don't get all excited about it. They are not even officially switched to sc2 yet.
If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now. Just tell me already or I'm going to stop caring.
On April 27 2012 13:09 Canucklehead wrote: They haven't even said if the bw pros will even play in the tournament yet. For all you know, they could just be coming to play showmatches and play Heart of the swarm.
Adam gave up law school..... he wouldn't do that for damn showmatch of a beta game!!!!!
I'll be there Adam, I have faith! <3
Heh well bw pros at blizzcon was hyped up and all they did was watch the code s finals from the audience.
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Flash isn't going to throw an easy OSL win to compete in a SC2 tourny. But I think Bisu and other BW pros might go to MLG to compete. They have a month to train, right?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Which bw pros will be at anaheim? Will they be actually playing in the tournament or just making an appearance for show? If they are playing in the tournament, will you give them a direct pool seed, such as last year with gsl and expand pools to 20 players?
mlg anaheim is june 8-10? Considering ro24 of osl ends 4/29 and ro16 -> finals is played pretty consistently over 1 to 1.5 months timespan (jinair osl ro16 started 7/13 and last semifinal was 9/9. I included semifinal date of 9/9 instead of the finals date 9/17 because there was a week break or so in august) that seems a little early for the high level brood war pros to go (anticipating osl to be running during the time, and teams may want their players to help practice).
I highly doubt the very top top bw pros that are in the OSL would commit to june 8-10 since that should be primetime OSL.
Not to mention that would be primetime proleague, and I would be skeptical of a MLG/Kespa agreement before anything actually happened.
Now blizzard did have players go to blizzcon (fantasy, jangbi, bisu, jaedong) just for the experience so it's possible they are just invited to play hots or something (I don't know if hots is in mlg anaheim, but following posts in the thread).
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
has MLG had direct contact with a kespa representative?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Who's coming? Will the prize pool be bigger? Your thoughts on BW switching to SC2 MLG's expansion plans - where will be seeing them now that they are partnered with CBSi? And what is the smoke monster?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Which bw pros will be at anaheim? Will they be actually playing in the tournament or just making an appearance for show? If they are playing in the tournament, will you give them a direct pool seed, such as last year with gsl and expand pools to 20 players?
No comment. If there, we would want a tournament. No comment.
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Which bw pros will be at anaheim? Will they be actually playing in the tournament or just making an appearance for show? If they are playing in the tournament, will you give them a direct pool seed, such as last year with gsl and expand pools to 20 players?
Oh you asked 'which'. If there, we would have the very best from each team
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
has MLG had direct contact with a kespa representative?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Who's coming? Will the prize pool be bigger? Your thoughts on BW switching to SC2 MLG's expansion plans - where will be seeing them now that they are partnered with CBSi? And what is the smoke monster?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Which bw pros will be at anaheim? Will they be actually playing in the tournament or just making an appearance for show? If they are playing in the tournament, will you give them a direct pool seed, such as last year with gsl and expand pools to 20 players?
No comment. If there, we would want a tournament. No comment.
So mini tournament for BW players only possible, If they would bring 8 or 4 and do a small invitational style tournament that could be interesting.
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Which bw pros will be at anaheim? Will they be actually playing in the tournament or just making an appearance for show? If they are playing in the tournament, will you give them a direct pool seed, such as last year with gsl and expand pools to 20 players?
Oh you asked 'which'. If there, we would have the very best from each team
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Who's coming? Will the prize pool be bigger? Your thoughts on BW switching to SC2 MLG's expansion plans - where will be seeing them now that they are partnered with CBSi? And what is the smoke monster?
If people are coming, the best. No. Love it. Everywhere. Me in college?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Who's coming? Will the prize pool be bigger? Your thoughts on BW switching to SC2 MLG's expansion plans - where will be seeing them now that they are partnered with CBSi? And what is the smoke monster?
If people are coming, the best. No. Love it. Everywhere. Me in college?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Still not clear on this, so my question is *2 part 1. If there, will the bw players play in the main tournament along side current sc2 pro players? Or will they compete separately among themselves
Shit move by MLG imo, feels like a money grab but I think it's going to backfire and overall be a bad move for the bw players, they can't possibly be ready to compete in MLG, I'd much rather players like Flash make their first appearence when they're actually ready to compete rather than pulling them in when they're not ready and showing poor performances. Edit: Opinion may or may not change depending on answer to the question in the above post.
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Who's coming? Will the prize pool be bigger? Your thoughts on BW switching to SC2 MLG's expansion plans - where will be seeing them now that they are partnered with CBSi? And what is the smoke monster?
If people are coming, the best. No. Love it. Everywhere. Me in college?
LOL. I predicted almost all of your answers.
Okay, MLG has several games in its pro circuit, where does SC2 fit in? The reason I ask is LoL has more viewers, but with the developments that have been happening it seems like MLG is putting a focus on SC. Why?
On April 27 2012 13:13 McFeser wrote: If these announcements don't shatter the earth, and up being something like "MLG is going to have live bands playing during the games", then I expect alot of shit to be thrown their way.
It's actually getting really tiring hearing all of these announcements of announcements and I wish that the effort given to hype it up like this was used just to make the coolest trailer possible. Really, I feel cheated everytime they do this. It's like someone tells me Christmas or my Birthday might be coming or might not be coming to tommorrow. But I should be excited. And they've been telling me this for over a month now.
To be honest I can't sympathize with this mindset anymore. We had a couple things that everyone got so incredibly hyped for, and it backfired. If nothing else this should just mean take all this type of thing with a grain of salt: be curious, be excited, but don't let yourself get so invested you wind up disapointed at something that would otherwise be a great thing. Enjoy the speculation, be excited, not invested.
Ok then. Ask me questions, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. I'll answer direct questions in this thread as best as I can. GO
Who's coming? Will the prize pool be bigger? Your thoughts on BW switching to SC2 MLG's expansion plans - where will be seeing them now that they are partnered with CBSi? And what is the smoke monster?
If people are coming, the best. No. Love it. Everywhere. Me in college?
LOL. I predicted almost all of your answers.
Okay, MLG has several games in its pro circuit, where does SC2 fit in? The reason I ask is LoL has more viewers, but with the developments that have been happening it seems like MLG is putting a focus on SC. Why?
SC2 will have 6 screens in Anaheim...maybe more actually...
And I doubt Airforce Ace would send a player, so probably Fantasy as the last guy .
Then they would run a 8 man single or double elim tournament between them in sc2.
Probably wishful thinking.
Now that I've set the bar this high I'm prepared to be disappointed!
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
Can you talk about the extent and possibilities of future blizzard+MLG partnerships, both the upcoming tournament and onward. Also, does mlg have plans to be invovled in the upcoming gretch blizzard kespa ogn meeting. I don't mean directly the meeting, but will mlg be a factor in that discussion, and is your organization looking to extend partnerships with Korean counterparts?
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
On April 27 2012 13:32 KhAmun wrote: Can you talk about the extent and possibilities of future blizzard+MLG partnerships, both the upcoming tournament and onward. Also, does mlg have plans to be invovled in the upcoming gretch blizzard kespa ogn meeting. I don't mean directly the meeting, but will mlg be a factor in that discussion, and is your organization looking to extend partnerships with Korean counterparts?
To answer your first question: Yes, we are working extensively with Blizzard.
The 2nd question: Again, ambiguous, but yes. We are involved in those discussions.
On April 27 2012 13:34 Grampz wrote: Adam, do you think HoTS will bring many new players/spectators to the Starcraft 2 e-sport? Will it be more popular than LoL? (Just a prediction )
Not sure about your 2nd question as SC2 and LoL appeal to different audiences, but I belive HoTS will be a giant mile stone for the evolution of competitive SC2.
In working with Blizzard, is there any discussion about technical improvements to the game that would be beneficial from an esports standpoint? i.e. reconnecting to games, shared replay viewing...
On April 27 2012 13:37 AlphaFerg wrote: In working with Blizzard, is there any discussion about technical improvements to the game that would be beneficial from an esports standpoint? i.e. reconnecting to games, shared replay viewing...
On April 27 2012 13:37 AlphaFerg wrote: In working with Blizzard, is there any discussion about technical improvements to the game that would be beneficial from an esports standpoint? i.e. reconnecting to games, shared replay viewing...
Do you have any inside information on the LAN-esque thing blizzard announced about 1.5? Obviously not asking what it is, just is it something that would have an effect on the operation of tournaments?
And thank you so much for being such an accessible figure, and answering our questions.
I hope they dont really go to MLG because I feel they wont perform to the level that people are expecting of them T.T but I dont know how long they have been practicing... but it would still be orgasmic!!
On April 27 2012 13:42 KhAmun wrote: Do you have any inside information on the LAN-esque thing blizzard announced about 1.5? Obviously not asking what it is, just is it something that would have an effect on the operation of tournaments?
And thank you so much for being such an accessible figure, and answering our questions.
On April 27 2012 13:42 raf3776 wrote: I hope they dont really go to MLG because I feel they wont perform to the level that people are expecting of them T.T but I dont know how long they have been practicing... but it would still be orgasmic!!
If they go to MLG they most likely won't compete. Maybe do some fun show matches and interviews.
Getting quite hyped up about this whole announcement of an announcement with the read between the lines teases. Many thanks Adam.
Due to the inferences that some high level BW players may be coming over... from my understanding they'd need some sort of approval from KESPA/their teams. So my question how far along in negotiations are you all with KESPA/OGN for StarCraft 2?
Dear MLG_Adam, if hypothetical BW pro's were to be at MLG Anaheim, would we see said BW pro's play matches against our current SC2 pro's? (hopefully top-tier ones, too)
On April 27 2012 13:45 Odawg27 wrote: Getting quite hyped up about this whole announcement of an announcement with the read between the lines teases. Many thanks Adam.
Due to the inferences that some high level BW players may be coming over... from my understanding they'd need some sort of approval from KESPA/their teams. So my question how far along in negotiations are you all with KESPA/OGN for StarCraft 2?
Sounds like a lot of information has been coming out in the last couple of weeks. Excited to hear what MLG has planned and how the BW pros will transition to SC2. Only time can tell at this point.
On April 27 2012 13:45 Jacmert wrote: Dear MLG_Adam, if hypothetical BW pro's were to be at MLG Anaheim, would we see said BW pro's play matches against our current SC2 pro's? (hopefully top-tier ones, too)
On April 27 2012 13:49 Kiyo. wrote: Are those booths you posted on twitter for a console game or PC game?
Any more details you can share with us?
Maybe a DotA type game?
Adam said 2 announcements. One for MOBA based games, and one for SC2 (afaik).
EDIT: Hey Adam, can you check your PM? I didn't know who to ask... so I started asking few people involved with MLG (its not related to the speculation)
On April 27 2012 13:52 Rainfall7711 wrote: Looking at the tweets between you and Sundance..... Why do i get the feeling BW could make an appearance or am i off the mark...
Referring to sundance saying ' a new age of that game(those games) is on the Horizon...
On April 27 2012 13:37 MLG_Adam wrote: MOAR QUESTIONS FOUND MOAR BEER.
Why is anaheim so far away from where I live? I can't possibly afford airfare to get there ;_; WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE HELD THIS IN COLUMBUS INSTEAD!?!
Sounds fucking amazing though.
From Ohio? Where abouts? Where did you go to HS and College (in OH)?
Nah, I live pretty far up north in canada, I can't make a drive down to anaheim but columbus would have been fine. I'll be watching the livestreams avidly, though!
On April 27 2012 13:52 Rainfall7711 wrote: Looking at the tweets between you and Sundance..... Why do i get the feeling BW could make an appearance or am i off the mark...
Referring to sundance saying ' a new age of that game(those games) is on the Horizon...
So a chance of BW being played... ?
No BW the game being played...
BW as a showmatch would be nice, but in foreign leagues I don't see BW competition as a possibility.
On April 27 2012 13:52 Rainfall7711 wrote: Looking at the tweets between you and Sundance..... Why do i get the feeling BW could make an appearance or am i off the mark...
Referring to sundance saying ' a new age of that game(those games) is on the Horizon...
So a chance of BW being played... ?
No BW the game being played...
I'm happy about that, well i look forward to seeing Flash and co anyway
On April 27 2012 13:52 Rainfall7711 wrote: Looking at the tweets between you and Sundance..... Why do i get the feeling BW could make an appearance or am i off the mark...
Referring to sundance saying ' a new age of that game(those games) is on the Horizon...
So a chance of BW being played... ?
No BW the game being played...
BW as a showmatch would be nice, but in foreign leagues I don't see BW competition as a possibility.
I don't think an average SC2 viewer would appreciate watching BW.
If they had interest, then they would've done so long ago.
Well I hope it begins with MLG because you will have to give me a decent amount of time to prepare my body for the awesome that is the arrival of BeSt on European soil. + Show Spoiler +
On April 27 2012 12:38 eviltomahawk wrote: It could also be for LoL. He also tweeted a pic of what appears to be a LoL booth, and OGN has been investing heavily into the LoL scene for a while. Plus, MLG has been hinting about LoL for quite some time.
Though some stuff about BW players and teams would also be possible.
in the tweet where you can see the booth, he said tomorow so this is probably about the fighting game arena
Having a big LoL showing, a proper KOF crowd appearance from the SoCal crowd, and a sold-out SC2 crowd due to multiple reasons would be EPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCC
If BW pros attend Anaheim, will they (or potentially some of them) be part of the actual tournament, or is it more likely there will be some sort of exhibition tournament?
On April 27 2012 14:03 Nimic wrote: If BW pros attend Anaheim, will they (or potentially some of them) be part of the actual tournament, or is it more likely there will be some sort of exhibition tournament?
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
No. Just no.
Oh c'mon! You know the controversy and side-taking it would stir up would be awesome. Rehash the past gogogo!
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
Announcement of announcement. Truly ESPORTS worthy.
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
Announcement of announcement. Truly ESPORTS worthy.
Come on. I'm on EST and its 1:30, I'm answering questions as best as I'm allowed. Bear with me. Want me to be quiet?
I feel that anaheim might be too early for them to have practiced enough to be playing to their full potential, although a handful of BW pros could be competitive by then. Maybe exhibition matches/signings/etc is more likely?
On April 27 2012 14:30 Waxangel wrote: I feel that anaheim might be too early for them to have practiced enough to be playing to their full potential, although a handful of BW pros could be competitive by then. Maybe exhibition matches/signings/etc is more likely?
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
Announcement of announcement. Truly ESPORTS worthy.
I blame fucking incontrol for this "announcement of announcement", The hype is killing me right now.
Finally. This was announced on SOTG EP 66 and I thought I was on crazy pills because nobody was talking about this and I thought I was having audio hallucinations.
On April 27 2012 14:33 Sroobz wrote: Take a shot for esports with me at Anaheim Adam?
Fuck esports, lets take a shot to get drunk and have fun I'll be at the Marriott, let's do it!
This guy knows what the fuck is up! How many days in advance will you guys be in Anaheim, because I'm looking for some Knotts Berry Farm, Disneyland, Six Flags MLG korea progamer action before MLG Anaheim starts. Then, let the drinking begin :D
On April 27 2012 14:36 MLG_Adam wrote: Don't mince words, I of course love ESPORTS, was merely stating that we should celebrate the moment and have fun, regardless of why we're both there.
-pre-emptive chill out
I think you've been spending too much time on the internet if you think people pitchfork that easily.
On April 27 2012 14:33 Sroobz wrote: Take a shot for esports with me at Anaheim Adam?
Fuck esports, lets take a shot to get drunk and have fun I'll be at the Marriott, let's do it!
This guy knows what the fuck is up! How many days in advance will you guys be in Anaheim, because I'm looking for some Knotts Berry Farm, Disneyland, Six Flags MLG korea progamer action before MLG Anaheim starts. Then, let the drinking begin :D
On April 27 2012 14:38 dsousa wrote: Is Stephano going to be there?
Stephano is in the qualifiers for spring arena 2, he only has to win like 2 matches to qualify for Spring Arena 2. Once he does that then yes, you can assume he'll be at Anaheim.
On April 27 2012 14:36 MLG_Adam wrote: Don't mince words, I of course love ESPORTS, was merely stating that we should celebrate the moment and have fun, regardless of why we're both there.
-pre-emptive chill out
I think you've been spending too much time on the internet if you think people pitchfork that easily.
Or maybe just too much time on reddit.
Been working here since 2003, my guard is always up
On April 27 2012 14:33 Sroobz wrote: Take a shot for esports with me at Anaheim Adam?
Fuck esports, lets take a shot to get drunk and have fun I'll be at the Marriott, let's do it!
This guy knows what the fuck is up! How many days in advance will you guys be in Anaheim, because I'm looking for some Knotts Berry Farm, Disneyland, Six Flags MLG korea progamer action before MLG Anaheim starts. Then, let the drinking begin :D
Monday to Monday baby, let's do it!
Tuesday - Six Flags Tuesday night - Strip club Wednesday - Knotts Wednesday night - shots shots shots Thursday - Disneyland Thursday night - Shots and lines of coke off mickey mouse's ears while informing BW pros of their events of the weekend
On April 27 2012 14:33 Sroobz wrote: Take a shot for esports with me at Anaheim Adam?
Fuck esports, lets take a shot to get drunk and have fun I'll be at the Marriott, let's do it!
This guy knows what the fuck is up! How many days in advance will you guys be in Anaheim, because I'm looking for some Knotts Berry Farm, Disneyland, Six Flags MLG korea progamer action before MLG Anaheim starts. Then, let the drinking begin :D
Monday to Monday baby, let's do it!
Tuesday - Six Flags Tuesday night - Strip club Wednesday - Knotts Wednesday night - shots shots shots Thursday - Disneyland Thursday night - Shots and lines of coke off mickey mouse's ears while informing BW pros of their events of the weekend
On April 27 2012 14:33 Sroobz wrote: Take a shot for esports with me at Anaheim Adam?
Fuck esports, lets take a shot to get drunk and have fun I'll be at the Marriott, let's do it!
This guy knows what the fuck is up! How many days in advance will you guys be in Anaheim, because I'm looking for some Knotts Berry Farm, Disneyland, Six Flags MLG korea progamer action before MLG Anaheim starts. Then, let the drinking begin :D
Monday to Monday baby, let's do it!
Tuesday - Six Flags Tuesday night - Strip club Wednesday - Knotts Wednesday night - shots shots shots Thursday - Disneyland Thursday night - Shots and lines of coke off mickey mouse's ears while informing BW pros of their events of the weekend
Down broseph?
No comment
'merica! Take that as a yes. Should be one hell of a weekend brudda
On April 27 2012 14:30 Waxangel wrote: I feel that anaheim might be too early for them to have practiced enough to be playing to their full potential, although a handful of BW pros could be competitive by then. Maybe exhibition matches/signings/etc is more likely?
I'm wondering this as well. I doubt they will be anywhere near the level of MKP/DRG/Parting if they were to make their debut at Anaheim competitively. if it were Showmatches that would seem kind of demeaning for such established BW pro's/ bonjwa's to play "for fun" games where everyone laughes at how bad they are
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
Announcement of announcement. Truly ESPORTS worthy.
Come on. I'm on EST and its 1:30, I'm answering questions as best as I'm allowed. Bear with me. Want me to be quiet?
Teehee, I love joking around.
But yeah, being awake at 1:30 sucks. At least I can get off this weird sleep schedule once semester is over.
On April 27 2012 14:33 Sroobz wrote: Take a shot for esports with me at Anaheim Adam?
Fuck esports, lets take a shot to get drunk and have fun I'll be at the Marriott, let's do it!
This guy knows what the fuck is up! How many days in advance will you guys be in Anaheim, because I'm looking for some Knotts Berry Farm, Disneyland, Six Flags MLG korea progamer action before MLG Anaheim starts. Then, let the drinking begin :D
Monday to Monday baby, let's do it!
Tuesday - Six Flags Tuesday night - Strip club Wednesday - Knotts Wednesday night - shots shots shots Thursday - Disneyland Thursday night - Shots and lines of coke off mickey mouse's ears while informing BW pros of their events of the weekend
Down broseph?
No comment
Huk would have been down! Him and the banjo if I remember right
Adam, in the future will we expect to see longer tournaments? I feel that as MLG gets bigger, 3 days won't be enough.
Also, what are your thoughts of an organization that would rank players according to the position they finish in leagues and tournaments similar to tennis and golf? For example, a grandslam in tennis nets you 1200 ranking points and lower finishers get scaled down accordingly. These rankings could then be used to decide seeds in major tournaments. This could encourage players to travel and compete in more tournaments.
Edit: And MLG championship would be one of the grand slams of SC2
On April 27 2012 14:51 ChinhchinH wrote: Adam, in the future will we expect to see longer tournaments? I feel that as MLG gets bigger, 3 days won't be enough.
Also, what are your thoughts of an organization that would rank players according to the position they finish in leagues and tournaments similar to tennis and golf? For example, a grandslam in tennis nets you 1200 ranking points and lower finishers get scaled down accordingly. These rankings could then be used to decide seeds in major tournaments. This could encourage players to travel and compete in more tournaments.
Edit: And MLG championship would be one of the grand slams of SC2
Maybe?
Would be open to working with other leagues, but subjective/arbitrary seeding is not welcome as a seeding mechanism for MLG
On April 27 2012 14:33 Sroobz wrote: Take a shot for esports with me at Anaheim Adam?
Fuck esports, lets take a shot to get drunk and have fun I'll be at the Marriott, let's do it!
This guy knows what the fuck is up! How many days in advance will you guys be in Anaheim, because I'm looking for some Knotts Berry Farm, Disneyland, Six Flags MLG korea progamer action before MLG Anaheim starts. Then, let the drinking begin :D
Monday to Monday baby, let's do it!
Tuesday - Six Flags Tuesday night - Strip club Wednesday - Knotts Wednesday night - shots shots shots Thursday - Disneyland Thursday night - Shots and lines of coke off mickey mouse's ears while informing BW pros of their events of the weekend
Final question: Will the announcement tomorrow be a substantial announcement that is regarding the rumors in this thread, or will it be something that doesn't go along with these rumors at all?
On April 27 2012 14:58 Fionn wrote: Final question: Will the announcement tomorrow be a substantial announcement that is regarding the rumors in this thread, or will it be something that doesn't go along with these rumors at all?
One of the announcements tomorrow will be SC2 related and sort of related to this thread's discussion.
On April 27 2012 14:58 Fionn wrote: Final question: Will the announcement tomorrow be a substantial announcement that is regarding the rumors in this thread, or will it be something that doesn't go along with these rumors at all?
My hunch is that the two (?) announcements tomorrow won't be regarding the BW pro's. I think that one will be coming "later this month" (and I'm not sure if he meant April or May):
On April 27 2012 14:59 Polarexia wrote: Here's a question: Why are we talking about this now all of a sudden and not when it was announced on SOTG last week?
On April 27 2012 14:59 Polarexia wrote: Here's a question: Why are we talking about this now all of a sudden and not when it was announced on SOTG last week?
Nothing was announced on SoTG
Yes it was, I can give you the exact time in the podcast if you'd like.
All this hype is retarded, why not just come out and say bw pros will be at Anaheim, everyone knew this day would come, everyone knew that when Sundance was in korea and the news that bw pros were practicing sc2 there would be something with MLG and kespa.
@MLGAdam y not just say it? everyone knows its already confirmed.
On April 27 2012 14:58 Fionn wrote: Final question: Will the announcement tomorrow be a substantial announcement that is regarding the rumors in this thread, or will it be something that doesn't go along with these rumors at all?
One of the announcements tomorrow will be SC2 related and sort of related to this thread's discussion.
And the other announcement will be League of Legends which will have OGN working with you guys to run correct?
If the BW pros come to an mlg I will pay to see it and I have never payed for MLG before but I would to see the new blood come to play. I have to say if it was a ppv event it would be well worth the money for it. I do pay for GSL/GSTL though and its well worth the money I just never actually bothered with MLG because of the price tag at the moment like if they did a bundle and had for definite that you didn't have to pay more like 70 dollars like the way GOM does it id probably get that but they don't.
If the top BW players come to MLG Anaheim, I will find a way to go, and I live in Utah, lol. MLG is gonna make me cough up money but I wanna see that sooooo bad!
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
That would be sick huh....
It wouldn't make any sense, lest MLG wants to sever their ties with every Korean sc2 organization.
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
That would be sick huh....
. . . . . It would have to accomany a OGN/Kespa statement of approval but even then it would be too controversial. I think he's pulling our chain.
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
That would be sick huh....
Don't read too much into it, Adam probably doesn't know much about the BW scene and might not even know who Savior is.
There is absolutely zero chance that he will be playing or even there unless kespa has forgiven him ( UNLIKELY ) or they don't care about a continued partnership after this event.
On April 27 2012 15:00 xBillehx wrote: For those that can't make it to Anaheim, (if there) will these players be primarily shown on the main stream?
Edit: Guess you already answered that if they're going on the main stage, NVM~
Prominent players...regardless of history ...will be on stream(s)
Regardless of history? Why is that important to consider . . . .
Savior...?
naw, no way. >__>
Oh my goodness, that actually makes a ton of sense... and it goes along with this, too:
On April 27 2012 13:32 MLG_Adam wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
That would be sick huh....
Don't read too much into it, Adam probably doesn't know much about the BW scene and might not even know who Savior is.
There is absolutely zero chance that he will be playing or even there unless kespa has forgiven him ( UNLIKELY ) or they don't care about a continued partnership after this event.
I would fly over to US if that happened just so that I can punch him in his face for what he did.
On April 27 2012 15:00 xBillehx wrote: For those that can't make it to Anaheim, (if there) will these players be primarily shown on the main stream?
Edit: Guess you already answered that if they're going on the main stage, NVM~
Prominent players...regardless of history ...will be on stream(s)
Regardless of history? Why is that important to consider . . . .
Savior...?
naw, no way. >__>
Oh my goodness, that actually makes a ton of sense... and it goes along with this, too:
On April 27 2012 13:32 MLG_Adam wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
That would be sick huh....
Don't read too much into it, Adam probably doesn't know much about the BW scene and might not even know who Savior is.
There is absolutely zero chance that he will be playing or even there unless kespa has forgiven him ( UNLIKELY ) or they don't care about a continued partnership after this event.
I would fly over to US if that happened just so that I can punch him in his face for what he did.
On April 27 2012 15:00 xBillehx wrote: For those that can't make it to Anaheim, (if there) will these players be primarily shown on the main stream?
Edit: Guess you already answered that if they're going on the main stage, NVM~
Prominent players...regardless of history ...will be on stream(s)
Regardless of history? Why is that important to consider . . . .
Savior...?
naw, no way. >__>
Oh my goodness, that actually makes a ton of sense... and it goes along with this, too:
On April 27 2012 13:32 MLG_Adam wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:32 Jonoman92 wrote: Hell, after this hype I better see Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong at Anaheim as well as Savior too because that'd just be sickk.
That would be sick huh....
Don't read too much into it, Adam probably doesn't know much about the BW scene and might not even know who Savior is.
There is absolutely zero chance that he will be playing or even there unless kespa has forgiven him ( UNLIKELY ) or they don't care about a continued partnership after this event.
I would fly over to US if that happened just so that I can punch him in his face for what he did.
Has Savior served his BW ban, yet? Maybe Kespa is ok with him starting in SC2 (since it's not BW) while his BW ban is finishing up? I think I heard that he had a 1 year conditional sentence (Korean legal system) and a 2 year BW ban, or vice versa, I think.
Do you guys really think MLG would be so dumb do bring in Savior to Anaheim? Anyway this hype-creation or whatever is annoying, I wish they would just make an announcment.
I think this is just trolling, u cant pay for the cache that flash vs bisu showmatch would have. Plus surpassing kespa in that matter, since they would be the first ones to come with it.
On April 27 2012 16:05 DreamOen wrote: I think this is just trolling, u cant pay for the cache that flash vs bisu showmatch would have. Plus surpassing kespa in that matter, since they would be the first ones to come with it.
On April 27 2012 16:05 DreamOen wrote: I think this is just trolling, u cant pay for the cache that flash vs bisu showmatch would have. Plus surpassing kespa in that matter, since they would be the first ones to come with it.
What if though? What if?
In case it comes true, I could die of orgasmic pleasure. But not gonna happen.
On April 27 2012 15:57 naux wrote: i hope these BW pros come over so then SC2 pros stomp the hell out of them and show them there on SC2 TURF
I sincerely doubt they'd get stomped. I expect closer games than you'd expect (SC2 guys have meta advantage, BW guys have mechanics) so we'll well and truly see if shit does go down.
I sincerely doubt they're gonna completely roll over everyone after... what... a month of serious practice? Before then theye were practicing more BW than sc2. Just not gonna happen, its not that type of game. Maybe in another month or two.
On April 27 2012 16:01 ChriS-X wrote: if savior goes to mlg, pretty much everyone in the BW/sc2 proscene will lose all respect for mlg. i hope they arent that stupid
It won't happen, it would be the worst business move they could ever do if they strive to work together with OGN and GOM.
So they are actually going to play, or is it just going to be some signings etc? Somehow I doubt they will play and maybe emberass themself(because, maybe they still are not as good as the top players). What do you think?
Too soon. Regardless of their practice routines and adaptability to SC2, BW progamers have been practicing for only a few months. They're only human - they'll get creamed.
On April 27 2012 16:21 domane wrote: Too soon. Regardless of their practice routines and adaptability to SC2, BW progamers have been practicing for only a few months. They're only human - they'll get creamed.
TSL_Hyun only played for a few months and got through the Code A prelims. We don't actually know for how long these guys have been practicing sc2 either, and they still have like 1-2 months to prepare if it happens. I wouldn't count them out too soon.
'Why everyone assumes they didnt get to practice like from the begining fo 2012. It was know that some BW players play on Korean SC2 ladder. It is not like Kespa, Blizz and other parties involved didnt speak until now. If such thing is to happen, like Adam said, most likely the players knew and perhaps already had some practice routines.
On April 27 2012 15:57 naux wrote: i hope these BW pros come over so then SC2 pros stomp the hell out of them and show them there on SC2 TURF
You understimate how well BW pros practice
And you underestimate the difference in skill the sc2 pros have even to themselves a year ago. Not every SC2 player practices poorly dude. I hope this doesn't turn into some dumb sc2 vs bw thing but there is no way without significant practice or funky all in builds that the BW pros would win without quite a lot of practice. Will they learn faster then those who never played BW? Sure. Many skills go both ways but they wont win MLG with a month of playing while they still play BW. -_-
On April 27 2012 16:21 domane wrote: Too soon. Regardless of their practice routines and adaptability to SC2, BW progamers have been practicing for only a few months. They're only human - they'll get creamed.
TSL_Hyun only played for a few months and got through the Code A prelims. We don't actually know for how long these guys have been practicing sc2 either, and they still have like 1-2 months to prepare if it happens. I wouldn't count them out too soon.
And Hyun has pretty much lost any match he has been in since then. He has barely done anything. He would get stomped by anyone in code S.
On April 27 2012 16:21 domane wrote: Too soon. Regardless of their practice routines and adaptability to SC2, BW progamers have been practicing for only a few months. They're only human - they'll get creamed.
TSL_Hyun only played for a few months and got through the Code A prelims. We don't actually know for how long these guys have been practicing sc2 either, and they still have like 1-2 months to prepare if it happens. I wouldn't count them out too soon.
Not to discount his achievements but, he had an arguably easy bracket. After all GGanDoL made it through as well. Seeing his games at Dreamhack it's pretty clear he's still got that BW gamesense and that doesn't really translate 100% to SC2.
On April 27 2012 15:57 naux wrote: i hope these BW pros come over so then SC2 pros stomp the hell out of them and show them there on SC2 TURF
You understimate how well BW pros practice
And you underestimate the difference in skill the sc2 pros have even to themselves a year ago. Not every SC2 player practices poorly dude. I hope this doesn't turn into some dumb sc2 vs bw thing but there is no way without significant practice or funky all in builds that the BW pros would win without quite a lot of practice. Will they learn faster then those who never played BW? Sure. Many skills go both ways but they wont win MLG with a month of playing while they still play BW. -_-
Depends on the SC2 player. If it's someone like MKP or NesTea who can practice up to 14 or 16 hours then they will beat a BW player with less experience. But I believe the average practice time for SC2 players is lower.
On April 27 2012 15:57 naux wrote: i hope these BW pros come over so then SC2 pros stomp the hell out of them and show them there on SC2 TURF
You understimate how well BW pros practice
And you underestimate the difference in skill the sc2 pros have even to themselves a year ago. Not every SC2 player practices poorly dude. I hope this doesn't turn into some dumb sc2 vs bw thing but there is no way without significant practice or funky all in builds that the BW pros would win without quite a lot of practice. Will they learn faster then those who never played BW? Sure. Many skills go both ways but they wont win MLG with a month of playing while they still play BW. -_-
Depends on the SC2 player. If it's someone like MKP or NesTea who can practice up to 14 or 16 hours then they will beat a BW player with less experience. But I believe the average practice time for SC2 players is lower.
From everything I hear I think everyone can agree that BW pros practice more on average. Im sure there are exceptions on both sides. Would be cool to see some good BW players play at MLG(Showmatch tourney or in the real tourney)
On April 27 2012 15:57 naux wrote: i hope these BW pros come over so then SC2 pros stomp the hell out of them and show them there on SC2 TURF
You understimate how well BW pros practice
And you underestimate the difference in skill the sc2 pros have even to themselves a year ago. Not every SC2 player practices poorly dude. I hope this doesn't turn into some dumb sc2 vs bw thing but there is no way without significant practice or funky all in builds that the BW pros would win without quite a lot of practice. Will they learn faster then those who never played BW? Sure. Many skills go both ways but they wont win MLG with a month of playing while they still play BW. -_-
i hate when people say dont understimate BW pros.... people are over valuing BW pros by a mile.. "there gonna own when they come to SC2" most of these people who make comments never even watched BW untill SC2 came out and just hearing the "hype" of these BW players. All of these speculations of Flash being in Masters in a month like who cares so was Yellow did people not remember? i Started watching competitive SC2 when "SC2:WOL" came out and i know most of the posters on the website are the same.. i really wish they make a tournament SC2 pros vs BW pros so i can watch DRG, MKP, PartinG own up Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong
edit[off topic] type in: zerg rush in google and see what happens! lol
On April 27 2012 15:00 xBillehx wrote: For those that can't make it to Anaheim, (if there) will these players be primarily shown on the main stream?
Edit: Guess you already answered that if they're going on the main stage, NVM~
Prominent players...regardless of history ...will be on stream(s)
Regardless of history? Why is that important to consider . . . .
Savior...?
naw, no way. >__>
MLG wouldn't let Savior play, they're very strict about legitimacy of competition.
Yea like the match fixing for smash brawl, They dropped the game from the league. I felt srry for the Smash community that 2 players forced MLG to drop the game from the line up.
On April 27 2012 15:57 naux wrote: i hope these BW pros come over so then SC2 pros stomp the hell out of them and show them there on SC2 TURF
You understimate how well BW pros practice
And you underestimate the difference in skill the sc2 pros have even to themselves a year ago. Not every SC2 player practices poorly dude. I hope this doesn't turn into some dumb sc2 vs bw thing but there is no way without significant practice or funky all in builds that the BW pros would win without quite a lot of practice. Will they learn faster then those who never played BW? Sure. Many skills go both ways but they wont win MLG with a month of playing while they still play BW. -_-
i hate when people say dont understimate BW pros.... people are over valuing BW pros by a mile.. "there gonna own when they come to SC2" most of these people who make comments never even watched BW untill SC2 came out and just hearing the "hype" of these BW players. All of these speculations of Flash being in Masters in a month like who cares so was Yellow did people not remember? i Started watching competitive SC2 when "SC2:WOL" came out and i know most of the posters on the website are the same.. i really wish they make a tournament SC2 pros vs BW pros so i can watch DRG, MKP, PartinG own up Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong
edit[off topic] type in: zerg rush in google and see what happens! lol
On April 27 2012 16:21 domane wrote: Too soon. Regardless of their practice routines and adaptability to SC2, BW progamers have been practicing for only a few months. They're only human - they'll get creamed.
TSL_Hyun only played for a few months and got through the Code A prelims. We don't actually know for how long these guys have been practicing sc2 either, and they still have like 1-2 months to prepare if it happens. I wouldn't count them out too soon.
And Hyun has pretty much lost any match he has been in since then. He has barely done anything. He would get stomped by anyone in code S.
We barely ever get to see Hyun play, but when we do, he improves drastically from the time before. I think Apollo said Hyun has been playing around 80 practice games a day, and it shows.
On April 27 2012 15:57 naux wrote: i hope these BW pros come over so then SC2 pros stomp the hell out of them and show them there on SC2 TURF
You understimate how well BW pros practice
And you underestimate the difference in skill the sc2 pros have even to themselves a year ago. Not every SC2 player practices poorly dude. I hope this doesn't turn into some dumb sc2 vs bw thing but there is no way without significant practice or funky all in builds that the BW pros would win without quite a lot of practice. Will they learn faster then those who never played BW? Sure. Many skills go both ways but they wont win MLG with a month of playing while they still play BW. -_-
Depends on the SC2 player. If it's someone like MKP or NesTea who can practice up to 14 or 16 hours then they will beat a BW player with less experience. But I believe the average practice time for SC2 players is lower.
From everything I hear I think everyone can agree that BW pros practice more on average. Im sure there are exceptions on both sides. Would be cool to see some good BW players play at MLG(Showmatch tourney or in the real tourney)
ACE players only get 3 hours a day from what I remember so they would be the BW side exceptions.
On April 27 2012 16:21 domane wrote: Too soon. Regardless of their practice routines and adaptability to SC2, BW progamers have been practicing for only a few months. They're only human - they'll get creamed.
TSL_Hyun only played for a few months and got through the Code A prelims. We don't actually know for how long these guys have been practicing sc2 either, and they still have like 1-2 months to prepare if it happens. I wouldn't count them out too soon.
And Hyun has pretty much lost any match he has been in since then. He has barely done anything. He would get stomped by anyone in code S.
rofl what? I wouldn't count Hyun out vs a code S any day of the week. He's top caliber even if he hasn't made a splash in GSL. And in a format that doesn't reward preparation like the GSL, I give him an even bigger chance.
Should be pretty funny when it's gonna be two relative no-namers that are gonna play a showmatch :p Don't think thats gonna happen, but i dont count it out either.
On April 27 2012 16:21 domane wrote: Too soon. Regardless of their practice routines and adaptability to SC2, BW progamers have been practicing for only a few months. They're only human - they'll get creamed.
TSL_Hyun only played for a few months and got through the Code A prelims. We don't actually know for how long these guys have been practicing sc2 either, and they still have like 1-2 months to prepare if it happens. I wouldn't count them out too soon.
And Hyun has pretty much lost any match he has been in since then. He has barely done anything. He would get stomped by anyone in code S.
rofl what? I wouldn't count Hyun out vs a code S any day of the week. He's top caliber even if he hasn't made a splash in GSL. And in a format that doesn't reward preparation like the GSL, I give him an even bigger chance.
His korean TLPD shows him as an all time 1-11 player.
His international tlpd has a 60% win rate overall which includes MANY no name players.Compare that to Jikaji's international of 70% against almost all top named players and Stephano of 67% against a mix like Hyun.
You really trying to say he would beat code S players? lol
On April 27 2012 17:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote: Didn't MLG partner with OGN? So... with this timing... OSL finals in Anaheim?
They need to play some SC2, at least, though. Otherwise the "elephant in the room" comment in his original tweet wouldn't quite make sense. This needs involve the BW players actually playing SC2, and I think he pretty much confirmed it in one of his comments on an earlier page (I didn't save it, though).
On April 27 2012 17:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote: Didn't MLG partner with OGN? So... with this timing... OSL finals in Anaheim?
Like I said before, if OSL finals were to be held in Anaheim OGN would need to hold OSL more than 2 times a week.
However, it's been a while since they did Ro8 tour.
But if OSL finals aren't to be held in Anaheim... then I don't see flash going to anaheim then I don't see him dropping out any time earlier than that.
On April 27 2012 17:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote: Didn't MLG partner with OGN? So... with this timing... OSL finals in Anaheim?
Like I said before, if OSL finals were to be held in Anaheim OGN would need to hold OSL more than 2 times a week.
However, it's been a while since they did Ro8 tour.
But if OSL finals aren't to be held in Anaheim... then I don't see flash going to anaheim then I don't see him dropping out any time earlier than that.
I'm not saying it's not going to happen. But with everything that OGN's doing right now, I doubt that they'll finish the OSL Ro16~4 just in time to hold the finals at Anaheim.
This is presumably a reference to Kennigit's famous thread here on TL called The Elephant in the Room, which theorized about how the day would come when the truly top-tier Korean Brood War pro's would finally cross over into StarCraft 2 and demolish the competition.
On April 27 2012 17:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote: Didn't MLG partner with OGN? So... with this timing... OSL finals in Anaheim?
Like I said before, if OSL finals were to be held in Anaheim OGN would need to hold OSL more than 2 times a week.
However, it's been a while since they did Ro8 tour.
But if OSL finals aren't to be held in Anaheim... then I don't see flash going to anaheim then I don't see him dropping out any time earlier than that.
I'm not saying it's not going to happen. But with everything that OGN's doing right now, I doubt that they'll finish the OSL Ro16~4 just in time to hold the finals at Anaheim.
Well OGN games are always on a weekend right? So it directly conflicts with MLG... unless flash gets knocked out early... then we won't see him . Should I jinx or not? On the bright side... Bisu is already out lol...
This is presumably a reference to Kennigit's famous thread here on TL called The Elephant in the Room, which theorized about how the day would come when the truly top-tier Korean Brood War pro's would finally cross over into StarCraft 2 and demolish the competition.
intrigue's not kennigits.
Whoops! Thanks - I assumed it was Kennigit because that's who MLG_Adam addressed his initial tweet to. I fixed it in the OP
I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
Don't forget that DRG is god of the korean ladder even before people knew who he was.
Wow, this is gonna be sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk if its true. Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash, I believe, all came out to Blizzcon last year, so I could totally see this being legit as this is practically Blizzcon being and Anaheim and having Blizzard take part.
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
We really won't know until we see them play. It's not going to be like Yellow vs Boxer in that god awful show match but we don't know if it will be like MKP vs random Code B player or if they are actually going to compete.
You have to remember as well that they will be doing a huge amount of in house practice in addition to the ladder accounts.
I find it hard to believe they will be better than MKP after only 2-3 months practice but who knows until we see them play.
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
We really won't know until we see them play. It's not going to be like Yellow vs Boxer in that god awful show match but we don't know if it will be like MKP vs random Code B player or if they are actually going to compete.
You have to remember as well that they will be doing a huge amount of in house practice in addition to the ladder accounts.
I find it hard to believe they will be better than MKP after only 2-3 months practice but who knows until we see them play.
I can't wait for this thing to happen so elephanters can be silenced forever.
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
We really won't know until we see them play. It's not going to be like Yellow vs Boxer in that god awful show match but we don't know if it will be like MKP vs random Code B player or if they are actually going to compete.
You have to remember as well that they will be doing a huge amount of in house practice in addition to the ladder accounts.
I find it hard to believe they will be better than MKP after only 2-3 months practice but who knows until we see them play.
I can't wait for this thing to happen so elephanters can be silenced forever.
Guys dont be ridiculous, there is an ongoing BW tournament right now, and they focusing on that right now, whoever comes to USA its only for showmatches, its so obvious.
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
We really won't know until we see them play. It's not going to be like Yellow vs Boxer in that god awful show match but we don't know if it will be like MKP vs random Code B player or if they are actually going to compete.
You have to remember as well that they will be doing a huge amount of in house practice in addition to the ladder accounts.
I find it hard to believe they will be better than MKP after only 2-3 months practice but who knows until we see them play.
I can't wait for this thing to happen so elephanters can be silenced forever.
Guys dont be ridiculous, there is an ongoing BW tournament right now, and they focusing on that right now, whoever comes to USA its only for showmatches, its so obvious.
It's an un-sponsored tournament currently and doesn't look like getting sponsored, also alot of the pros have openly stated they've spent way more time playing sc2 than bw and that the winner of this osl will be the one that doesnt bother much with sc2
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
We really won't know until we see them play. It's not going to be like Yellow vs Boxer in that god awful show match but we don't know if it will be like MKP vs random Code B player or if they are actually going to compete.
You have to remember as well that they will be doing a huge amount of in house practice in addition to the ladder accounts.
I find it hard to believe they will be better than MKP after only 2-3 months practice but who knows until we see them play.
I can't wait for this thing to happen so elephanters can be silenced forever.
That won't really settle anything. If in one year from now Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Fantasy etc.. aren't at the top of the tree (at least the ones who dedicate themselves to the game) then it will settle that debate.
But I'm sure no one thinks Flash is going to show up to Anaheim having never played a televised game and rape everyone.
On April 27 2012 18:40 ZenithM wrote: I'm quite excited that shit is finally happening, but I can't help but be fearful as well. Isn't it kinda early to match them against MarineKing and DongRaeGu? I mean, those 2 are our top ultra gosus and have spent almost 2 years on this game, with several thousands of ladder and practice games and hundreds of tournament matches. I know that top BW players are very talented, but I don't see even Flash or Bisu taking a series off of DRG with just a few months of experience playing the game at a relatively high level.
Well, if they do, they're definitely the real deal though, and if they don't, it doesn't really mean anything (but that would maybe be a blow to their mythical aura). I'm as hyped as anyone can be though, it's finally happening after all :D
BW players already have accounts in Korean grandmaster. I don't expect them to get embarrassed, especially with another six weeks of training.
Yeah, I know, but MKP essentially shits on KR GM (reaching ridiculous 80% winrates at time), that's not the same at all as hanging around at 50-60% winrate. They could still get embarrassed. Well, if at least they crush foreigners, I'm fine with it :D
We really won't know until we see them play. It's not going to be like Yellow vs Boxer in that god awful show match but we don't know if it will be like MKP vs random Code B player or if they are actually going to compete.
You have to remember as well that they will be doing a huge amount of in house practice in addition to the ladder accounts.
I find it hard to believe they will be better than MKP after only 2-3 months practice but who knows until we see them play.
I can't wait for this thing to happen so elephanters can be silenced forever.
Guys dont be ridiculous, there is an ongoing BW tournament right now, and they focusing on that right now, whoever comes to USA its only for showmatches, its so obvious.
It's an un-sponsored tournament currently and doesn't look like getting sponsored, also alot of the pros have openly stated they've spent way more time playing sc2 than bw and that the winner of this osl will be the one that doesnt bother much with sc2
Jin Air announced that they were sponsoring the last OSL quite late too....much after the ODT.
On April 27 2012 20:03 Wurstbrot wrote: Too bad they only play SC2 at MLG. BW Pros aren't good at SC2, (yet)! They would get ROFLSTOMPED by bad foreigners.
Why do you think that? They've been practising sc2 for quite a while now, I think they will be at least competitive with most of the other players.
On April 27 2012 20:03 Wurstbrot wrote: Too bad they only play SC2 at MLG. BW Pros aren't good at SC2, (yet)! They would get ROFLSTOMPED by bad foreigners.
Where can you buy this magic crystal ball that you have in your possession? I would love to get one.
So, two SC2 announcements today, but not the Huge announcement? I guess the Huge announcement relates to the BW players, and won't come out until after the May 2nd meeting with Blizzard/KespaOGN/Gom.
From the Adam Eggs (like Easter ones, but more Adamie), it seems pretty conclusive that these fabled BW Elephants will be in the same room as the existing SC2 elephants, though it's not expected they will be part of the regular SC2 tournament.
So, speculation as follows: - A round of the OSL played at MLG during an MLG tournament weekend - An example future Proleague demonstration match, where we see the new format in action (i.e., mixed BW/SC2 sets) between two teams. - An SC2 showmatch tournament featuring the BW elephants - Some combination of the above
Come on people, what's your money on? I think we've got a least a week till we get the huge announcement so may as well fill in the time with wild speculation based on the Adam Eggs we have so far.
So last MLG Anaheim was awesome and still said I did not think I would go back. Screw that you know I'm not going to miss this (sc2 w/bwpros) if I can help it count me in. We deserve good treatment (chairs and elbowroom) with that said take my minerals.
On April 27 2012 20:03 Wurstbrot wrote: Too bad they only play SC2 at MLG. BW Pros aren't good at SC2, (yet)! They would get ROFLSTOMPED by bad foreigners.
Where can you buy this magic crystal ball that you have in your possession? I would love to get one.
Read the interview from all the bw-coaches someone translated lately. they said, they played SC2 like 2 weeks and most of them aren't even in masters...
I hate all these kids on TL, who think BW-players are Über-Humans who will instantly win anything. Remember ForGG, NaDa, July and Boxer?
I'd be interested to see the fan reaction to Flash and how big his cheers were.
80% of the sc2 fans never played BW and most only know that Flash is a BW player who won alot.
On April 27 2012 21:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: I'd be interested to see the fan reaction to Flash and how big his cheers were.
You know, he's already seen bigger crowds, contrary to MKP, MVP, DRG, MMA and all. He would probably be positively surprised to see so much foreigner support though, you're right
On April 27 2012 20:03 Wurstbrot wrote: Too bad they only play SC2 at MLG. BW Pros aren't good at SC2, (yet)! They would get ROFLSTOMPED by bad foreigners.
Where can you buy this magic crystal ball that you have in your possession? I would love to get one.
Read the interview from all the bw-coaches someone translated lately. they said, they played SC2 like 2 weeks and most of them aren't even in masters...
I hate all these kids on TL, who think BW-players are Über-Humans who will instantly win anything. Remember ForGG, NaDa, July and Boxer?
edit- lol yeah hots is at mlg anaheim so I'd expect the same type of thing as what happened to blizzcon, maybe with some playing here and there.
On April 27 2012 20:53 Pure-SC2 wrote: - An example future Proleague demonstration match, where we see the new format in action (i.e., mixed BW/SC2 sets) between two teams. - Some combination of the above
This is a strong possibility imo, as it's something kespa could easily agree to and schedule. Since ogn/blizzard will have an agreement, blizzard will obviously promote the sc2 proleague and may pay for the teams to go to the US to showcase it. Then it's a matter of getting mlg on board.
We don't know how much of the OSL is sponsored, but as I posted very early in the thread (and I'm sure others have posted like supernovamaniac) it'd be an awkward timing for OSL as it'd be around the ro8/ro4. I also don't think korean fans would be happy at all if the OSL was played in a foreign country in what could be the last bw osl.
BW pros may play in the mlg tournament open bracket like koreans did at IPL4 but I think they'd be there for for their teamleague.
On April 27 2012 20:03 Wurstbrot wrote: Too bad they only play SC2 at MLG. BW Pros aren't good at SC2, (yet)! They would get ROFLSTOMPED by bad foreigners.
Where can you buy this magic crystal ball that you have in your possession? I would love to get one.
Read the interview from all the bw-coaches someone translated lately. they said, they played SC2 like 2 weeks and most of them aren't even in masters...
I hate all these kids on TL, who think BW-players are Über-Humans who will instantly win anything. Remember ForGG, NaDa, July and Boxer?
I'd be interested to see the fan reaction to Flash and how big his cheers were.
80% of the sc2 fans never played BW and most only know that Flash is a BW player who won alot.
Despite the fact that most Sc2 fans didn't follow BW I think Flash is still extremely popular, which is a weird situation but it's true. I'd expect Flash's cheers to be less than only Huk and Idra.
they'll cheer for any bw pro that goes, especially if the bw pro actually plays sc2 well. A little bit disappointing too that bw pros received little attention at blizzcon (and didn't even get like official stage recognition/shoutout or announcement at the event afaik) but will be instantly swarmed and swooned over and are a main selling point of mlg anaheim (if coming). with the only difference is that they may be playing. that's not being a fan of the bw players but just being a fan at the idea of any bw pro playing sc2.
On April 27 2012 21:52 Wurstbrot wrote: I hate all these kids on TL, who think BW-players are Über-Humans who will instantly win anything. Remember ForGG, NaDa, July and Boxer?
I hate all these kids on TL, who cant form a rational thought based on proper research. ForGG nada july and boxer were all awful at BW when they transitioned. Hyun was one of the A teamers, look how fast hes improving. We havent seen anyone transition over that was actually DOMINATING the broodwar scene at the time of making the switch... until now.
Idk if any serious games will be played... and if any of the legendary top 4 will actually play in them. If they do nothing will change, people will say they didnt have enough time to practice or if they win "OMGOMGOMG Theyre so GOOODFASHDH!!" but i am curious to what MLG is cooking up to make me throw my money at them
On April 27 2012 22:01 raf3776 wrote: Idk if any serious games will be played... and if any of the legendary top 4 will actually play in them. If they do nothing will change, people will say they didnt have enough time to practice or if they win "OMGOMGOMG Theyre so GOOODFASHDH!!" but i am curious to what MLG is cooking up to make me throw my money at them
If BW pros debut here or if they debut in Korea I'm just interested to see how their skill level and multitasking will or can even transition between the two different games. Not only that but will the flight and jet lag alter how the BW pros play as they probably aren't that accustomed to traveling? I think initially the current pros will win but it all depends on how much the BW pros have practiced and are prepared to adjust to the new scene and changes in the game.
On April 27 2012 21:52 Wurstbrot wrote: I hate all these kids on TL, who think BW-players are Über-Humans who will instantly win anything. Remember ForGG, NaDa, July and Boxer?
I hate all these kids on TL, who cant form a rational thought based on proper research. ForGG nada july and boxer were all awful at BW when they transitioned. Hyun was one of the A teamers, look how fast hes improving. We havent seen anyone transition over that was actually DOMINATING the broodwar scene at the time of making the switch... until now.
When I read this forum I think of Gandalf reading the book of Mazarbal and he gets to the point where he says "They are coming" and rather than Orcs and a cave troll we have Bisu and Jaedong charging to the Sc2 party ruining every Foreigners dreams...then along comes Flash the Balrog and all hope seems lost..of course Gandlaf is Stephano who sacrfices himself...and dives into into the abyss that is Korea...finally coming back as not Stephano the pink zerg but Stephano the white. Mighty, wise and invincible ready to take out all comers....
ok I have way too big an imagination...ty for reading
Gonna take a long time before they get any good. Ofcourse they wont participate in MLG they gonna get smashed. Even ForGG sayd for him sc2 was alot harder then BW. And thats ofcourse becuase they very fare behind. They need 6 months full dedication to sc2 before they could be competetive.
And who knows maybe the game is just to different and they gonna go down burning could happend.
While TBLS playing SC2 is really exciting, I'm really excited to see new faces from BW, the Team 8 coach said that some players who are bad at BW are really good in SC2. Also I'm really excited to see all the other great players not just Flash, players like Fantasy, Zero, Soulkey, Horang2 etc..
On April 27 2012 22:33 Ireniicus wrote: When I read this forum I think of Gandalf reading the book of Mazarbal and he gets to the point where he says "They are coming" and rather than Orcs and a cave troll we have Bisu and Jaedong charging to the Sc2 party ruining every Foreigners dreams...then along comes Flash the Balrog and all hope seems lost..of course Gandlaf is Stephano who sacrfices himself...and dives into into the abyss that is Korea...finally coming back as not Stephano the pink zerg but Stephano the white. Mighty, wise and invincible ready to take out all comers....
ok I have way too big an imagination...ty for reading
welcome to real 3D graphics Flash, Bisu, Jaedong! As someone who never played BW I can say its FUGLY to look at - sacrilege I know, but the God-honest truth!
On April 27 2012 22:33 Ireniicus wrote: When I read this forum I think of Gandalf reading the book of Mazarbal and he gets to the point where he says "They are coming" and rather than Orcs and a cave troll we have Bisu and Jaedong charging to the Sc2 party ruining every Foreigners dreams...then along comes Flash the Balrog and all hope seems lost..of course Gandlaf is Stephano who sacrfices himself...and dives into into the abyss that is Korea...finally coming back as not Stephano the pink zerg but Stephano the white. Mighty, wise and invincible ready to take out all comers....
ok I have way too big an imagination...ty for reading
Really interested to see if these bw pros have reached the level of current sc2 pros. If they haven't, it may be premature to have them make their debut in an overseas tourney when their play is not yet as refined as they themselves probably want it to be.
Still this will be epic news and will be nothing but positive in the grand scheme of things. Can't wait!
On April 27 2012 22:33 Ireniicus wrote: When I read this forum I think of Gandalf reading the book of Mazarbal and he gets to the point where he says "They are coming" and rather than Orcs and a cave troll we have Bisu and Jaedong charging to the Sc2 party ruining every Foreigners dreams...then along comes Flash the Balrog and all hope seems lost..of course Gandlaf is Stephano who sacrfices himself...and dives into into the abyss that is Korea...finally coming back as not Stephano the pink zerg but Stephano the white. Mighty, wise and invincible ready to take out all comers....
ok I have way too big an imagination...ty for reading
On April 27 2012 21:55 N.geNuity wrote: that's not being a fan of the bw players but just being a fan at the idea of any bw pro playing sc2.
I quite agreed with most you said but that.
I think no one is or is not a fan of "the idea of BW pros playing SC2". People are just enthusiastic about seeing the best level of skills displayed in a competition. BW has a 10 year history in e-sport and some player made them-self a name there, some even became legends. Considering what a good and rich RTS BW is, it's only logic that SC2 fans are enthusiastic about seeing BW pros coming on SC2. I know I am. And I don't know much about BW. I played it in the very early days but I was 10/12 year's old, I wouldn't over-think most I was doing at that time. Than I started to get interested in e-Sports with other games, and BW was obviously mentioned all the time, we all knew what a great RTS it was, ans most people still do. So yes, seeing players from this great game playing another great RTS is something I'm very much looking forward too like most SC2 fans I guess.
Fan-boys and haters can say what they want, both these games are great in many ways. People are just to stubborn and biased to see what's good about the one they don't know.
I've talked to a few korean pro's on skype and their telling me that some really big names and progamers from bw will start playing sc2 eventually and competitively. And that they will help them and practice etc. This will grow fast between the bw pros and sc2. I've been talking to some old pros too and they will go to sc2,.
On April 27 2012 23:05 hillman wrote: welcome to real 3D graphics Flash, Bisu, Jaedong! As someone who never played BW I can say its FUGLY to look at - sacrilege I know, but the God-honest truth!
There is no such thing as ''truth'' when it comes to whether or not something is aestetically appealling, it's a matter of subjective opinions.
On April 27 2012 23:26 raf3776 wrote: I think theyre going to be playing the HOTS showmatch. makes most sense (even if it makes little sense) of why theyd be there
that'll be boring to me
a HotS show match will reveal little about their current skill in SC2
if BW players were coming to MLG Anaheim, I'd hope their show matches would actually be of BW. Give a western audience a chance to watch a game that was a true e-sport that lasted years before it officially dies (which looks to be within a year in Korea).
On April 27 2012 23:26 raf3776 wrote: I think theyre going to be playing the HOTS showmatch. makes most sense (even if it makes little sense) of why theyd be there
that'll be boring to me
a HotS show match will reveal little about their current skill in SC2
if BW players were coming to MLG Anaheim, I'd hope their show matches would actually be of BW. Give a western audience a chance to watch a game that was a true e-sport that lasted years before it officially dies (which looks to be within a year in Korea).
On April 27 2012 23:52 Pure-SC2 wrote: Could it be that they would combine the first round of the new Proleague season (BW/SC2 hyprid) with MLG and run it offshore?
On April 27 2012 23:26 raf3776 wrote: I think theyre going to be playing the HOTS showmatch. makes most sense (even if it makes little sense) of why theyd be there
that'll be boring to me
a HotS show match will reveal little about their current skill in SC2
if BW players were coming to MLG Anaheim, I'd hope their show matches would actually be of BW. Give a western audience a chance to watch a game that was a true e-sport that lasted years before it officially dies (which looks to be within a year in Korea).
Amen brother.
I think there needs to be a whole BW tournament there, mostly for fun with some foreigners from BW playing too. In 2 years of playing and watching SC2 the best thing I ever saw on stream was Boxer play Huk in BW at IPL3 when the SC2 tournament got delayed.
On April 27 2012 23:35 PiQLiQ wrote: I've talked to a few korean pro's on skype and their telling me that some really big names and progamers from bw will start playing sc2 eventually and competitively. And that they will help them and practice etc. This will grow fast between the bw pros and sc2. I've been talking to some old pros too and they will go to sc2,.
You do realize that we've known everything you said for months, right?
I personally feel that if BW players were to play at Anaheim, they'll do fine just simply because of who they are. 'Name' has a lot to do with the game, and if you were a foreign player or a Korean player and you step into the booth opposite of Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Bisu, Soulkey, Zero, etc... It's not going to be just a game of Starcraft anymore. Most of the players that play SC2 professionally know who these players are and know just how good they can be at an RTS game. So I feel it's going to be straight up mind games starting from day 1 and a true test of someone's nerves. (So MKP might be dead in the water here already).
In terms of gameplay, I highly doubt that they will actually be TOP TOP tier level other than maybe STX's team where their coach said they've been practicing even during Proleague but I highly doubt someone other than Bogus and maybe Last will attend.
But then again, when Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong practice it's said to be 12+ hours so... (Stork plays too much cell phone games). (+ Flash was apparently Masters in KR server when his wrist was injured and it was RIGHT before going into surgery....)
Didn't Flash make Korean masters without even knowing what the new units did? This is gonna be like watching a pro NFL player play Rugby with a bunch of 13 year olds. Yeah, he might not have the same experience with that specific game, but he's such a monster at a game that's fairly similar that its still gonna be a stomp.
you must be delusional when you think flash and co will own everyone right off the bat. they gonna get stomped by marineking, drg and so on. give them some months and they gonna own for sure though.
On April 28 2012 00:17 awesomoecalypse wrote: Didn't Flash make Korean masters without even knowing what the new units did? This is gonna be like watching a pro NFL player play Rugby with a bunch of 13 year olds. Yeah, he might not have the same experience with that specific game, but he's such a monster at a game that's fairly similar that its still gonna be a stomp.
lol people keep saying this... what is he- retarded? He'll learn what the units do in his first game of SC2... well may be not the first because he'll get cheesed but let's say first 5 games.
On April 27 2012 23:26 raf3776 wrote: I think theyre going to be playing the HOTS showmatch. makes most sense (even if it makes little sense) of why theyd be there
On April 27 2012 23:26 raf3776 wrote: I think theyre going to be playing the HOTS showmatch. makes most sense (even if it makes little sense) of why theyd be there
Yeah, I reckon this, too
i hope not, would rather have them play SC2 because it would have more meaning than playing the very early beta of HOTS that will most likely be imba as hell and not properly tested
On April 28 2012 01:10 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Well...neither MLG announcement was nearly as big/interesting as we had all hoped for. So much for hype
Agreed.
Are you kidding me? This is such a huge step! Were you hoping for an MLG Space Station?
We had already guessed the HotS news since Adam pretty much leaked it already. The 2nd announcement was LoL, which is huge for them, but was hyped for us, in our own SC2 forum, at that. It's awesome that HotS will be there, but the hype surrounding this announcement implied that it was related to the rumor that BW pros would be there, hence the thread we are currently posting in.
We've already heard a lot of " BW pros are switching" ... but never so many in the same time , I think it's happening, too many things in the same way : GOMTV/KESPA/OGN/Blizzard annouce , KT training on sc2 ...
On April 28 2012 01:10 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Well...neither MLG announcement was nearly as big/interesting as we had all hoped for. So much for hype
Agreed.
Are you kidding me? This is such a huge step! Were you hoping for an MLG Space Station?
We had already guessed the HotS news since Adam pretty much leaked it already. The 2nd announcement was LoL, which is huge for them, but was hyped for us, in our own SC2 forum, at that. It's awesome that HotS will be there, but the hype surrounding this announcement implied that it was related to the rumor that BW pros would be there, hence the thread we are currently posting in.
All I'm saying is it was both Big and Interesting!
Although I would be fine with E-Sports in space :D
Someone please tell TLBS that they shouldn't be 'respectful' by saying they like everything, that they should be objective when comparing it with the game they fell in love with.
On April 28 2012 01:33 Lazzi wrote: We've already heard a lot of " BW pros are switching" ... but never so many in the same time , I think it's happening, too many things in the same way : GOMTV/KESPA/OGN/Blizzard annouce , KT training on sc2 ...
Many players from BW have already switched and is training daily. It's just not out there in the public for everyone to view or debate about it. People knows maybe 20% on what's actually happening in the community.
On April 28 2012 01:33 Lazzi wrote: We've already heard a lot of " BW pros are switching" ... but never so many in the same time , I think it's happening, too many things in the same way : GOMTV/KESPA/OGN/Blizzard annouce , KT training on sc2 ...
Many players from BW have already switched and is training daily. It's just not out there in the public for everyone to view or debate about it. People knows maybe 20% on what's actually happening in the community.
20%? Are you sure? I've heard people say its upto 46%, but recent research seems to indicate that its actually around 33.5%.
Seriously lol wtf is up with all the arbitrary percentages recently.
On April 28 2012 01:10 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Well...neither MLG announcement was nearly as big/interesting as we had all hoped for. So much for hype
they arent done announcing things yet. They still said their biggest announcement was yet to come
Indeed. Isn't there supposed to be another SC2-related announcement at 9 pm? Hmmm...
I hope so. So far neither announcement is really great. A sneak peak at the expansion beta which is cool but it doesn't change my feelings about the overall value of the upcoming MLG. What I mean to say is that I'll just be watching I won't be attending and this announcement doesn't change that.
League of Legends is good for MLG, glad they've found another way to make money and bring attention to another part of eSports, they've all got my congratulations there. I watch MLG for StarCraft though, I dare say that most people here that are reading this thread are going to be watching MLG for StarCraft. I think the only way I'd stop watching the SC2 stream and watch a LoL stream is if the only thing on the StarCraft streams is PvP or ZvZ. The LoL announcement is nothing for StarCraft fans to be excited about really because unless the LoL and SC events are going to be at completely different times with no overlap all it is for us is competition for our favorite eSport.
da fuck....the osl is running if i was flash i would want to win the osl, and stork did say in a recent interview while practicing for the osl he didnt touch sc2, i doubt he would start now. Maybe bisu, and when they say top bw players do they mean jaedong flash bisu stork, or leta soulkey bogus fantasy
1. KeSPA did not want to get into SC2 before HotS evened out the playing field. 2. To get KeSPA into SC2, Blizzard gave their teams HotS pre-access. 3. These BW pros have been practicing HotS, and will be displaying their skills in an MLG Anaheim show-match.
On April 28 2012 02:51 Novalisk wrote: Ok, so this is my crazy conspiracy theory:
1. KeSPA did not want to get into SC2 before HotS evened out the playing field. 2. To get KeSPA into SC2, Blizzard gave their teams HotS pre-access. 3. These BW pros have been practicing HotS, and will be displaying their skills in an MLG Anaheim show-match.
On April 28 2012 02:51 Novalisk wrote: Ok, so this is my crazy conspiracy theory:
1. KeSPA did not want to get into SC2 before HotS evened out the playing field. 2. To get KeSPA into SC2, Blizzard gave their teams HotS pre-access. 3. These BW pros have been practicing HotS, and will be displaying their skills in an MLG Anaheim show-match.
Really no point in practicing a game that is going to change drastically every month until it's released.
On April 28 2012 02:51 Novalisk wrote: Ok, so this is my crazy conspiracy theory:
1. KeSPA did not want to get into SC2 before HotS evened out the playing field. 2. To get KeSPA into SC2, Blizzard gave their teams HotS pre-access. 3. These BW pros have been practicing HotS, and will be displaying their skills in an MLG Anaheim show-match.
Really no point in practicing a game that is going to change drastically every month until it's released.
I highly doubt that, they weren't even of sure of all units and abilities in their press release regarding HotS a week ago.
Honestly a HotS showmatch would just be a publicity stunt really. The game will be changed so much and the balance is probably broken as fuck right now.
Any HotS showmatches should be hilarious, especially with BW-level macro and players not understanding the unit compositions at all.
I saw hilarious pics of MVP vs Nestea trying out HotS at Blizzcon. MVP going mech with mass Battle Hellions and Warhounds and transitioning into a ridiculous amount of mass Shredders.
Can you imagine the ridiculousness of these games with the macro of Flash or Jaedong? I am definitely looking forward to seeing what kind of shenanigans they can pull off.
although I would literally pay w/e it was required if the ace players of BW were to participate in the open brackets of MLG anaheim, it would be unlikely. With the inclusion of HOTS at MLG What's most likely to be announced would be exhibition show matches for HOTS at the best between various players (Sc2/bw players) Prove me wrong MLG.
If they are actually going to be playing in the sc2 tournament I feel like legends are going to get torn apart by scrubs and it's going to be both hilarious and sad.
Please let there be some Broodwar played at Anaheim too, that would be so awesome.
Seriously.. that would be so fuckin cool
it's also pretty disrespectful to SC2.. that's like playing Counter Strike at a HALO tournament. Just no.
not really. Could be like a send-off to BW considering there's more and more news of their impending transition to sc2. Could even follow it up with a HotS exhibition match, which I would find more interesting than them playing WoL since they're probably far below the current sc2 pros.
Please let there be some Broodwar played at Anaheim too, that would be so awesome.
Seriously.. that would be so fuckin cool
it's also pretty disrespectful to SC2.. that's like playing Counter Strike at a HALO tournament. Just no.
They played Halo 2 at a Counter Strike tournament ^_^ CPL Summer 2005. (some old school Esports knowledge for you, although it was more specifically a PC game tournament CS was the main attraction usually) No such thing as disrespect, they are different games. Tournaments ran both versions of Counterstrike at the same time too.
Forget all the tension between BW and SC2, whether real or perceived. At least from the SC2 side, I think a lot of us will welcome the BW players with open arms - ESPECIALLY because we want to see how they fare against our current SC2 pros.
Regardless of which side you fall on in the debate (i.e. BW pros will destroy SC2 pros, or vice versa), I think we all want to see what will happen so we can (begin) to settle the argument
In summary: MLG Anaheim needs to have some BW pros vs. SC2 pros competition in Starcraft 2 - and it must be vanilla SC2 (Wings of Liberty). If they play HotS, that will prove nothing at the moment. I don't care whether it's relegated to showmatches or an exhibition tourney, but as long as we get one of the true top "elephants" facing off in regular SC2 conditions against a decent SC2 pro-level player (so that we can form some rough estimations of their current skill level), I will be satisfied
If the bw pros come here and lose, it doesn't kill the elephant, as the bw pros are just starting to adjust to SC2, we need to wait at least another 6 months of bw pros playing GSL/ foreigner tournaments before we can say whether or not the elephant is truly in the room. On the bright side, here is to hoping that this will be a great event, with or with out bw pros competing.
On April 28 2012 09:04 ydeer1993 wrote: any idea what its guna be about? ^^
Anaheim. Anything beyond that is guesswork.
ok ty, is it 45min until it then? or is that just rumour
IIRC, it was announced that there will be a SC2 related announcement regarding MLG Anaheim coming in approx 39 min (6PM PDT).
P.S. I think MLG needs to have a little fun with mocking/joking about how they're following iNcontrol's lead with making announcements about announcements
On April 28 2012 09:04 ydeer1993 wrote: any idea what its guna be about? ^^
Anaheim. Anything beyond that is guesswork.
ok ty, is it 45min until it then? or is that just rumour
IIRC, it was announced that there will be a SC2 related announcement regarding MLG Anaheim coming in approx 39 min (6PM PDT).
P.S. I think MLG needs to have a little fun with mocking/joking about how they're following iNcontrol's lead with making announcements about announcements
it's not regarding SC2. However, there are still the biggest of sc2 announcements to come.
On April 28 2012 09:04 ydeer1993 wrote: any idea what its guna be about? ^^
Anaheim. Anything beyond that is guesswork.
ok ty, is it 45min until it then? or is that just rumour
IIRC, it was announced that there will be a SC2 related announcement regarding MLG Anaheim coming in approx 39 min (6PM PDT).
P.S. I think MLG needs to have a little fun with mocking/joking about how they're following iNcontrol's lead with making announcements about announcements
Eh, I think MLG changed their minds and decided to announce that announcement early in the form of HotS at MLG Anaheim.
On April 28 2012 01:47 MLG_Adam wrote: To be clear, the 9pm is not about SC2. We are still finalizing the details on the next batch of SC2 announcements for Anaheim
But there does seem to be more stuff to come, though I'm not sure what or when.
IT's probably not going to be that great tbh... Considering its not even regarding sc2...probably "BW PLAYERS WILL MAKE AN APPEARANCE!" or something of that sort
On April 28 2012 10:05 Fionn wrote: Maybe the HotS at MLG Anaheim was the announcement, but they just did it hours earlier than expected?
I don't think so. Adam made so many no comments on the topic of high profile players, I can't imagine that he would purpose be that misleading. Also didn't he say this announcement was only somewhat relevant to all the hyping he was doing for Anaheim?
On April 28 2012 10:05 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, MLG Adam did say in the HotS thread that the 9 pm announcement isn't for SC2. Maybe it isn't for Starcraft entirely.
On April 28 2012 10:05 Fionn wrote: Maybe the HotS at MLG Anaheim was the announcement, but they just did it hours earlier than expected?
Funnily enough, the HotS announcement was posted on the MLG website exactly at 9 AM. Maybe there wasn't a 9 PM announcement all along.
That actually might make some sense. Mixing up AM and PM is an honest mistake and it would be weird to announce stuff about BW pros playing when they havnt even formaly announced sc2 as part of the proleague season yet.
On April 28 2012 10:05 Fionn wrote: Maybe the HotS at MLG Anaheim was the announcement, but they just did it hours earlier than expected?
I don't think so. Adam made so many no comments on the topic of high profile players, I can't imagine that he would purpose be that misleading. Also didn't he say this announcement was only somewhat relevant to all the hyping he was doing for Anaheim?
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
Thats what he said. He probably mixed up am and pm.
On April 28 2012 10:05 Fionn wrote: Maybe the HotS at MLG Anaheim was the announcement, but they just did it hours earlier than expected?
I don't think so. Adam made so many no comments on the topic of high profile players, I can't imagine that he would purpose be that misleading. Also didn't he say this announcement was only somewhat relevant to all the hyping he was doing for Anaheim?
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
Thats what he said. He probably mixed up am and pm.
On April 28 2012 10:17 Jisall wrote: Finally we can put this BW theory to the test. MLG will be fun to see for sure.
I don't think they've quite played long enough to dominate, especially since they aren't focusing exclusively on SC2. I'd imagine the current GSL Code S and A players would stomp them, but just a guess.
Damn this is really exciting. Although I think if ever they come to anaheim they can still lose. Maybe another months or even years after they really started practicing seriously then they can beat the current champs. :D
Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a Crazy thing. Was Really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I MisS any names? Not being coy, Seriously looking for suggestions
Letas shit he dont belong there!!!! Or atleast when I followed bw -.-.
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
Letas shit he dont belong there!!!! Or atleast when I followed bw -.-
I beg to differ.
Anyone willing to do this should be at MLG:
edit: someone help me. I can't stop watching this...
Gotta get some STX representation in there, especially since it's rumored that they accidentally focused on SC2 too much too early. And more Team 8 would be nice too. Heck, throw Jaehoon and Sea in there as well.
I just updated the OP with the following. I think we should expect some of those names to show up at MLG Anaheim?
MLG_Adam tweeted a list of top BW players - "Stork,Bisu, Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Horang, Stats, Jangbi, Hydra, souldkey, leta, zero" - but then he tried to downplay our expectations in-thread. A later tweet implied that at least one of them would show up, though
On April 28 2012 16:13 arQ wrote: Isn't it time we let Savior back?
NO.
Never. The scene, both BW and SC2, is fragile as is. Korean sponsors are still wary after the match fixing scandal, and letting him return would scare them away even more, which would be absolutely fatal.
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a Crazy thing. Was Really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I MisS any names? Not being coy, Seriously looking for suggestions
Letas shit he dont belong there!!!! Or atleast when I followed bw -.-.
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
FireBatHero the people champion. I would fly a few thousand miles to the US and A to see him
funny that everytime someone mentions savior, i see same argument over and over. 'even if i love savior so much my heart would bleed in an oven, he cant comeback bc it would kill the scene. Also i cant pardon this bastard' Not criticism, just a thought.
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
I love the teasing unless it's all just fake. Like, I'm gonna watch MLG with no HOTS and no bw pros so I hope I'm not getting extra-super-excited for something that turns out being nothing.
I'd love for them to be playing WOL there, competitively, even if it's not at any amazing level it will at least show where they're at.
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
depending on how many you can actually afford to bring to anaheim, you HAVE to get flash, jaedong, bisu, stork if at all possible. anyone else on top of that is just gravy.
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
he is retired. Anyway, why would these BW pros would come all the way to USA for this? Aren't they supposed to practice for OSL...I think Kespa allows this only because of this Blizz/Kespa partnership and not because they want it.
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
On April 28 2012 15:58 MLG_Adam wrote: Hah, speculation is a crazy thing. Was really reading through BW wiki and researching. Did I miss any names? Not being coy, seriously looking for suggestions
if you're looking for players to invite get Firbathero, not only is he one of the best and has been for a very long time he also does the best ceremonies ever. just youtube firebathero ceremony if you have not seen those yet
broodwar players will be attending. broodwar players will not be playing (inferring from, well, lets face it the chances of them playing in the tournament are fucking zero, and the coach talk about waiting a year to integrate, and again, is MLG going to announce something that awesome?). maybe they'll play a showmatch or two though. that'd be cool. doubt it though. more likely theyll be there, like blizzcon.
On April 29 2012 04:07 stonetalon wrote: if you're looking for players to invite get Firbathero, not only is he one of the best and has been for a very long time he also does the best ceremonies ever. just youtube firebathero ceremony if you have not seen those yet
Even if I think ACE players won't be allowed to travel to foreign tournaments, FBH would totally be the best. Just imagine FBH trolling Idra with one of his crazy dances :D
On April 28 2012 17:11 nalgene wrote: He could be banned from playing competitively, but can't he be a coach or something?
Allowing someone who almost destroyed the Korean BW scene and tainted the image of eSports in Korea to get involved in the scene again?
It's called realizing people make mistakes. If you ask me, he's atoned quite a bit already, what with the public shaming. Lifetime bans aren't very common in the West these days, either. I don't think it's likely that he'll ever come back, but I certainly wouldn't mind if he did.
On April 28 2012 17:11 nalgene wrote: He could be banned from playing competitively, but can't he be a coach or something?
Allowing someone who almost destroyed the Korean BW scene and tainted the image of eSports in Korea to get involved in the scene again?
Completely out of topic, but forgiveness is a virtue.
On Topic:
How old was he when this happened, 21? These are kids trying to make adult decisions... (Some people may say 21 is old enough, but they will be talking about their life-style, and yeah I know 10 years old kids in Africa holding rifles and shooting their relatives because they are afraid... but 21 for a boy who spend all his years in front of computer, not seeing the world freely, is still young)
Had he surrendered himself to evil while doing these terrible things to e-sports, knowingly, being in total understanding of how he would hurt this, "business"? or Was he trying to make a little bit more money from his job with his ignorance, a job which has very bad conditions, where you start so early, where you abandon school so mostly an established life in future?
Who knows, may be he DID surrendered himself to evil, and was willingly killing e-sports, all I am saying is a little bit compassion and understanding goes a long way in any aspect of life.
Just saying... Not trying to clean him out of his crimes, but, just think about it...
Forgiveness is a virtue for those who actually realize their own mistakes and fix them. It is not for those who are still making money off from the same damn game that they used to make extra few bucks while tainting the whole scene.
BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
Besides, even BW coaches have acknowledged that those showing the most talent in Starcraft 2 weren't their best BW players. So I think bw fans should stop overhyping Jaedong, Flash and Cie, because chances are that they will massively disappoint.
Adam definitely giving conflicting messages with some of his tweets. Or at the very least, knowingly stirring up hype for things he can't necessarily deliver on. These announcements of announcements never really deliver.
On April 29 2012 04:58 SiroKO wrote: BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
lol 6 months, we are sepaking about Flash here, not some random scrubs
On April 29 2012 04:58 SiroKO wrote: BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
lol 6 months, we are sepaking about Flash here, not some random scrubs
On April 29 2012 04:58 SiroKO wrote: BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
lol 6 months, we are sepaking about Flash here, not some random scrubs
The best BW players haven't become the best War 3 players, just like the best War 3 and BW players are not the current dominators in Starcraft 2. Stephano was an average HU semi-pro in War3, at the time Grubby and Moon could take him 5-0 easily. Look where they are standing right now. There's a correlation between skill in war3/sc and sc2, but not an absolute causation.
On April 29 2012 04:58 SiroKO wrote: BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
Besides, even BW coaches have acknowledged that those showing the most talent in Starcraft 2 weren't their best BW players. So I think bw fans should stop overhyping Jaedong, Flash and Cie, because chances are that they will massively disappoint.
Some are already among the best performers on the whole of the Korean server... And there's another month and a week before Anaheim
On April 29 2012 04:58 SiroKO wrote: BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
lol 6 months, we are sepaking about Flash here, not some random scrubs
On April 29 2012 04:07 stonetalon wrote: if you're looking for players to invite get Firbathero, not only is he one of the best and has been for a very long time he also does the best ceremonies ever. just youtube firebathero ceremony if you have not seen those yet
Even if I think ACE players won't be allowed to travel to foreign tournaments, FBH would totally be the best. Just imagine FBH trolling Idra with one of his crazy dances :D
I believe FBH is actually quite embarrased about those ceremonies and he writes it off as juvenile silliness. FBH changed a lot when he went into the military. Those ceremonies were years and years ago.
On April 29 2012 04:58 SiroKO wrote: BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
lol 6 months, we are sepaking about Flash here, not some random scrubs
The best BW players haven't become the best War 3 players, just like the best War 3 and BW players are not the current dominators in Starcraft 2. Stephano was an average HU semi-pro in War3, at the time Grubby and Moon could take him 5-0 easily. Look where they are standing right now. There's a correlation between skill in war3/sc and sc2, but not an absolute causation.
What's so hard to accept about this fact ?
w3 have nothing to do with SC, but SC2 is similar to BW u can't deny that, we are not talking about a guy that move from COD to C&C...
On April 29 2012 04:58 SiroKO wrote: BW players probably wouldn't participate... They would need at least 6 months of full SC2 practice to stand a chance against the current high tier GSL code A and S players.
lol 6 months, we are sepaking about Flash here, not some random scrubs
The best BW players haven't become the best War 3 players, just like the best War 3 and BW players are not the current dominators in Starcraft 2. Stephano was an average HU semi-pro in War3, at the time Grubby and Moon could take him 5-0 easily. Look where they are standing right now. There's a correlation between skill in war3/sc and sc2, but not an absolute causation.
What's so hard to accept about this fact ?
w3 have nothing to do with SC, but SC2 is similar to BW u can't deny that, we are not talking about a guy that move from COD to C&C...
Flash can do it in a month or less imho
It all depends on how much he practises and how much he enjoys playing but if he had the same feeling like at the start of his sc1 career every pro should just retire now : P
On April 29 2012 04:10 Angel_ wrote: broodwar players will be attending. broodwar players will not be playing (inferring from, well, lets face it the chances of them playing in the tournament are fucking zero, and the coach talk about waiting a year to integrate, and again, is MLG going to announce something that awesome?). maybe they'll play a showmatch or two though. that'd be cool. doubt it though. more likely theyll be there, like blizzcon.
The chances of the playing in the tournament are definitely not zero... I'd say around 80% if they come..
He's banned from Kespa AND Gom (this includes everything about the scene like coaching and commentating). Any tournament that would take him in would have NO OTHER Koreans and many foreign players not showing up too. You guys need to realize he will never be in ESPORTS again, especially not in MLG. You can say a lot about MLG but they would NEVER make such a stupid move.
I'm hyped for whatever MLG will do with this.. some random showmatches with the big 3 (4?) in BW would be beyond awesome. I'm not sure I would enjoy watching them having a go at WoL... maaaybe HotS since everyone sucks at that =P
On April 29 2012 04:10 Angel_ wrote: broodwar players will be attending. broodwar players will not be playing (inferring from, well, lets face it the chances of them playing in the tournament are fucking zero, and the coach talk about waiting a year to integrate, and again, is MLG going to announce something that awesome?). maybe they'll play a showmatch or two though. that'd be cool. doubt it though. more likely theyll be there, like blizzcon.
The chances of the playing in the tournament are definitely not zero... I'd say around 80% if they come..
did you even read his post, the coached said that KeSPA players won't play in non KeSPA leagues this year and vice versa. therefore the chance is 0%.
i know the opportunity for PPV for MLG anaheim would be extremely profitable it this were the case, but I hope the Esports gods will at least supply ONE free stream on the bigger games...
I love announcements of announcements~ it's very Incontrol-esque.
Seriously though... anything less than a SC2 Flash vs Jaedong show match will be a disappointment. I'm really thinking that MLG_Adam has over-hyped this though.
He's banned from Kespa AND Gom (this includes everything about the scene like coaching and commentating). Any tournament that would take him in would have NO OTHER Koreans and many foreign players not showing up too. You guys need to realize he will never be in ESPORTS again, especially not in MLG. You can say a lot about MLG but they would NEVER make such a stupid move.
I'm hyped for whatever MLG will do with this.. some random showmatches with the big 3 (4?) in BW would be beyond awesome. I'm not sure I would enjoy watching them having a go at WoL... maaaybe HotS since everyone sucks at that =P
Unfortunately you're probably right. I'm all for the second chance though. Byun and CoCa's incident was much smaller but I'm sure they have learned their lesson.
He's banned from Kespa AND Gom (this includes everything about the scene like coaching and commentating). Any tournament that would take him in would have NO OTHER Koreans and many foreign players not showing up too. You guys need to realize he will never be in ESPORTS again, especially not in MLG. You can say a lot about MLG but they would NEVER make such a stupid move.
I'm hyped for whatever MLG will do with this.. some random showmatches with the big 3 (4?) in BW would be beyond awesome. I'm not sure I would enjoy watching them having a go at WoL... maaaybe HotS since everyone sucks at that =P
Unfortunately you're probably right. I'm all for the second chance though. Byun and CoCa's incident was much smaller but I'm sure they have learned their lesson.
Well, ByuN and CoCa wasn't even close to what the Matchfixing scandal was. CoCa and ByuN just agreed to play a third game in a series that they considered practice. savior and his friends... well.
But honestly, I don't really care one way or another. But we probably never going to see saviOr play in any event ever again, so debating about it is pointless. I'm pretty sure no one that was involved in the scandal would make the same choice if given the opportunity.
Seriously, why make an announcement of an announcement and then not actually do it at the scheduled time? What a rip. I can't believe I actually tried to be at a computer at 9 to catch the news.
On April 29 2012 07:50 SwizzY wrote: i know the opportunity for PPV for MLG anaheim would be extremely profitable it this were the case, but I hope the Esports gods will at least supply ONE free stream on the bigger games...
On April 29 2012 10:02 puzzl wrote: It's 9:02, what's the deal
I don't think the announcement was supposed to be today - I believe it was meant for yesterday, and when he said 9PM EST, people around here think he actually meant 9AM EST.
There's supposed to be a big announcement coming "next month", though, I think he said?
On April 27 2012 14:24 MLG_Adam wrote: Tomorrow 9PM EST will be the first SC2 related announcement for Anaheim. MUCH more to come, promise. Seriouly book your tickets.
On April 29 2012 10:02 puzzl wrote: It's 9:02, what's the deal
I don't think the announcement was supposed to be today - I believe it was meant for yesterday, and when he said 9PM EST, people around here think he actually meant 9AM EST.
There's supposed to be a big announcement coming "next month", though, I think he said?
But there never was any announcement at all. Not last night at 9PM, not this morning at 9AM, not tonight at 9PM. Why waste our time? Very dishonest and frustrating that they'd psyche people up like that and not deliver.
The announcement was HoTS
Ah.. Letting people hype me up without checking dates is a bad thing.
On April 29 2012 10:02 puzzl wrote: It's 9:02, what's the deal
I don't think the announcement was supposed to be today - I believe it was meant for yesterday, and when he said 9PM EST, people around here think he actually meant 9AM EST.
There's supposed to be a big announcement coming "next month", though, I think he said?
But there never was any announcement at all. Not last night at 9PM, not this morning at 9AM, not tonight at 9PM. Why waste our time? Very dishonest and frustrating that they'd psyche people up like that and not deliver.
On April 29 2012 10:02 puzzl wrote: It's 9:02, what's the deal
I don't think the announcement was supposed to be today - I believe it was meant for yesterday, and when he said 9PM EST, people around here think he actually meant 9AM EST.
There's supposed to be a big announcement coming "next month", though, I think he said?
But there never was any announcement at all. Not last night at 9PM, not this morning at 9AM, not tonight at 9PM. Why waste our time? Very dishonest and frustrating that they'd psyche people up like that and not deliver.
so for someone coming into the thread: there is no announcement (of an announcement) of BW players, and Adam just listed the top 10 players from TLPD like a chobo
On April 29 2012 07:50 SwizzY wrote: i know the opportunity for PPV for MLG anaheim would be extremely profitable it this were the case, but I hope the Esports gods will at least supply ONE free stream on the bigger games...
T_T
Anaheim will not be PPV, only the Arenas are.
To be honest, Championships are also PPV. You cant see everything without paying.
On April 29 2012 10:02 puzzl wrote: It's 9:02, what's the deal
I don't think the announcement was supposed to be today - I believe it was meant for yesterday, and when he said 9PM EST, people around here think he actually meant 9AM EST.
There's supposed to be a big announcement coming "next month", though, I think he said?
But there never was any announcement at all. Not last night at 9PM, not this morning at 9AM, not tonight at 9PM. Why waste our time? Very dishonest and frustrating that they'd psyche people up like that and not deliver.
The announcement was HoTS
That announcement was made at 10AM yesterday morning, 4 hours before MLG_Adam posted at "announcement tonight at 9PM EDT".
On April 29 2012 10:56 SpiZe wrote: And Adam said it had to do with BW pro. Or he was trolling us big time and it's not funny. AT ALL.
he said nothing like that go look at the front page updates he never confirmed anything or said anything he just put wood in the sparks that people made
On April 29 2012 07:50 SwizzY wrote: i know the opportunity for PPV for MLG anaheim would be extremely profitable it this were the case, but I hope the Esports gods will at least supply ONE free stream on the bigger games...
T_T
Anaheim will not be PPV, only the Arenas are.
To be honest, Championships are also PPV. You cant see everything without paying.
On April 29 2012 10:02 puzzl wrote: It's 9:02, what's the deal
I don't think the announcement was supposed to be today - I believe it was meant for yesterday, and when he said 9PM EST, people around here think he actually meant 9AM EST.
There's supposed to be a big announcement coming "next month", though, I think he said?
But there never was any announcement at all. Not last night at 9PM, not this morning at 9AM, not tonight at 9PM. Why waste our time? Very dishonest and frustrating that they'd psyche people up like that and not deliver.
When he made the original post, it was Thursday, April 26th in North America. The timestamps on Team Liquid are according to Korean local time, which are like 15 hours ahead (hence "April 27th").
MLG_Adam was not trying to mislead us. So we can put away the pitchforks!
Edit: Case in point, it's Saturday, April 28th @ 7:18PM PST right now but this post has the timestamp of April 29th (~11AM)
On April 29 2012 10:56 SpiZe wrote: And Adam said it had to do with BW pro. Or he was trolling us big time and it's not funny. AT ALL.
he said nothing like that go look at the front page updates he never confirmed anything or said anything he just put wood in the sparks that people made
Yes, I included a Twitter comment on the first page that implies that there would be early announcement(s) that won't be as big as the "huge" big announcement "later this month" (I'm guessing, the BW one?):
On April 29 2012 10:56 SpiZe wrote: And Adam said it had to do with BW pro. Or he was trolling us big time and it's not funny. AT ALL.
he said nothing like that go look at the front page updates he never confirmed anything or said anything he just put wood in the sparks that people made
Well these pretty much sounds like it has a relation with BW pros. Of course he never confirmed it but I don't expect a PR employee to go on a forum and lie (or troll depending on how you see stuff) when answering some pretty direct questions.
On April 27 2012 14:58 Fionn wrote: Final question: Will the announcement tomorrow be a substantial announcement that is regarding the rumors in this thread, or will it be something that doesn't go along with these rumors at all?
One of the announcements tomorrow will be SC2 related and sort of related to this thread's discussion.
SpiZe, the hype was referring to his original tweet (about the "elephant" in the room), so he was pretty much confirming that we're right in guessing that we will see BW pros at MLG Anaheim.
In terms of: "One of the announcements tomorrow will be SC2 related and sort of related to this thread's discussion." - the "tomorrow" he was referring to was yesterday, not today (I explained it a few posts up). I think the announcement was Heart of the Swarm related? I really hope there's more to it than BW pros playing HotS, though, because that's not as interesting to me as them playing plain vanilla SC2 against current pros. And he did say "sort of related", so he wasn't being very specific to begin with.
On April 29 2012 07:50 SwizzY wrote: i know the opportunity for PPV for MLG anaheim would be extremely profitable it this were the case, but I hope the Esports gods will at least supply ONE free stream on the bigger games...
T_T
As far as I know MLG has announced that their Championship events will remain similar to MLG Columbus. Two free SC2 gameplay streams, all non SC2 games will be free streamed as well. Plus MLG announced that the Bnet World Championship Series National Finals will be available for free and run/streamed through Blizzard.
On April 27 2012 12:36 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Doubt it, we all know it's not past MLG to word things cleverly to falsely imply shit that isn't actually going to happen
On April 29 2012 10:45 rift wrote: so for someone coming into the thread: there is no announcement (of an announcement) of BW players, and Adam just listed the top 10 players from TLPD like a chobo
On April 29 2012 04:10 Angel_ wrote: broodwar players will be attending. broodwar players will not be playing (inferring from, well, lets face it the chances of them playing in the tournament are fucking zero, and the coach talk about waiting a year to integrate, and again, is MLG going to announce something that awesome?). maybe they'll play a showmatch or two though. that'd be cool. doubt it though. more likely theyll be there, like blizzcon.
The chances of the playing in the tournament are definitely not zero... I'd say around 80% if they come..
did you even read his post, the coached said that KeSPA players won't play in non KeSPA leagues this year and vice versa. therefore the chance is 0%.
Firstly, it's not in the OP, secondly, it's not set in stone that BW pros won't play in non Kespa leagues yet, there's still alot of news to come, including the kespa-ogn-gom-blizzard announcmenet that will probably have a saying on who plays in who's leagues. So don't act like one coaches outdated statement is completely official.
On April 29 2012 04:10 Angel_ wrote: broodwar players will be attending. broodwar players will not be playing (inferring from, well, lets face it the chances of them playing in the tournament are fucking zero, and the coach talk about waiting a year to integrate, and again, is MLG going to announce something that awesome?). maybe they'll play a showmatch or two though. that'd be cool. doubt it though. more likely theyll be there, like blizzcon.
The chances of the playing in the tournament are definitely not zero... I'd say around 80% if they come..
did you even read his post, the coached said that KeSPA players won't play in non KeSPA leagues this year and vice versa. therefore the chance is 0%.
Firstly, it's not in the OP, secondly, it's not set in stone that BW pros won't play in non Kespa leagues yet, there's still alot of news to come, including the kespa-ogn-gom-blizzard announcmenet that will probably have a saying on who plays in who's leagues. So don't act like one coaches outdated statement is completely official.
Ya, probably they won't know for sure until after the Kespa-Gom meeting. Adam might have raised some good hype, but he also might have helped contribute to Kespa seeing the power they already hold in SC2.
Best not to saying anything until the deal is signed, in my book. It was exciting when it was posted, but now its getting scary because it was all so unclear.
Its clear the SC2 community REALLY wants to see Flash vs SC2 greats
On April 27 2012 12:44 mrRoflpwn wrote: I fucking hate these announcements of an announcement. It pisses me off. Why cant they just make the announcement a surprise instead of saying "OMG GUYS WE HAVE A SUPER DUPER AWESOME ANNOUNCEMENT FOR YOU GUYS! ITS REVOLUTIONARY!" Agh.. well MLG hasn't disappointed us yet...
Now that we've seen them play sc2 in the proleague does anyone else think that having them play sc2 at Anaheim would be a bad idea? I'm sure MLG wants to keep the hype around their new exclusive players and make a good first impression on all the fans who haven't seen them before. What will MLG viewers think when they see them play at their current level after just watching a bunch of top games from the current sc2 pros. Will they understand the difficulty of playing two games and how little time they've been playing full time? Or will they think everyone is bad and wonder mlg is wasting their time with these overhyped players.
Personally I think have them play bw (or sc2bw maps) would be a much better option that would make nobody look bad ( even if they've gotten worse very few will be able to compare to their previous bw skill and the commentators can talk about how hard everything in that game is) and keep the hype for when they play sc2 at the next event where they should look much better. It's either that or hots but I think MLG said they were worried about making them learn a third game quickly they might not look the best there either. Or maybe keep the spirit of the proleague and switch between the two or 3 games in each match.
But maybe they'll improve enough in the next two weeks and everything will be fine. Looking forward to the entire event either way!
On May 22 2012 20:09 zyzq wrote: They are there for showmatches not to compete in the actual tournament.
I know they are competing in their own 8 man single elimination tournament. The point is if the games look bad they will all look bad and the mlg/kespa big exclusive deal will look bad and everything will lose a lot of the hype it currently has. They don't look good in proleague and it will very easy for everyone to compare to all pro games that they watched right before and after the kespa showmatch at MLG.
Will the commentators be able to make them look good if they play like the have the past couple of days?
On May 22 2012 20:09 zyzq wrote: They are there for showmatches not to compete in the actual tournament.
I know they are competing in their own 8 man single elimination tournament. The point is if the games look bad they will all look bad and the mlg/kespa big exclusive deal will look bad and everything will lose a lot of the hype it currently has. They don't look good in proleague and it will very easy for everyone to compare to all pro games that they watched right before and after the kespa showmatch at MLG.
Will the commentators be able to make them look good if they play like the have the past couple of days?
Nobody expects them to shine over the progamers of SCII that play for over 2 years full time, while these BW pros practiced for one month. The idea is to make their presence known and start branding them.
On May 22 2012 20:09 zyzq wrote: They are there for showmatches not to compete in the actual tournament.
I know they are competing in their own 8 man single elimination tournament. The point is if the games look bad they will all look bad and the mlg/kespa big exclusive deal will look bad and everything will lose a lot of the hype it currently has. They don't look good in proleague and it will very easy for everyone to compare to all pro games that they watched right before and after the kespa showmatch at MLG.
Will the commentators be able to make them look good if they play like the have the past couple of days?
Nobody expects them to shine over the progamers of SCII that play for over 2 years full time, while these BW pros practiced for one month. The idea is to make their presence known and start branding them.
Are you sure that people have accurate expectations of what they will see? If you watched inside the game about the proleague they all seemed rather disappointed and agreed that it deflated the hype to see them at MLG next month. Incontrol compared it to a terrible terrible movie and a overweight kid on a lopsided tricycle that will inevitably fall over. And these are pros who constantly follow the sc scene and should know how long and difficult it is to become good so they should have the best idea out of anyone that they can't shine over progamers of sc2 yet.
Is making them play sc2 right now at MLG the best way to brand these players? Do you think any of the kespa players have improved their brand among the 10000 foreign fans who watched the opening day proleague? Did any one of them gain any fans during the sc2 half. They probably have hurt their brand and hype especially among the ones who never watched broodwar. And MLG is risking that happening to their audience of over 10x the foreigners who saw proleague.
I just think that showing 100 000 people that watch mlg likely unimpressive games amongst themselves for a few hours is a bad way to make a first impression and brand these players. If someone makes an obvious mistake the audience will more likely think the player is dumb to do that than to consider factors like practice time and playing two games. If you wanted to introduce a sc2 fan to jeadong would you show them a game that looked like the one he played this weekend?
In conclusion playing sc2 at the next mlg might work out but it is risky. It is better to have them play anything else (sc2bw would be so perfect for this) or nothing at all and sell the current hype and branding to their audience. Just tell the audience how brilliant and talented and hard-working they were at that super difficult to do anything rts so they might be just as good at sc2 with some time in fact that one elephant article expects them to destroy everyone in a few months. Find out if the hype is justified when they play sc2 pros in our next tournament! All of that is difficult to keep in mind if they look bad right now so don't focus on games that make them look bad for hours of stream time it ruins hype and branding.
But maybe they will get better and the commentators will make everyone look good. I'm looking forward to watching either way
On May 22 2012 20:09 zyzq wrote: They are there for showmatches not to compete in the actual tournament.
I know they are competing in their own 8 man single elimination tournament. The point is if the games look bad they will all look bad and the mlg/kespa big exclusive deal will look bad and everything will lose a lot of the hype it currently has. They don't look good in proleague and it will very easy for everyone to compare to all pro games that they watched right before and after the kespa showmatch at MLG.
Will the commentators be able to make them look good if they play like the have the past couple of days?
Nobody expects them to shine over the progamers of SCII that play for over 2 years full time, while these BW pros practiced for one month. The idea is to make their presence known and start branding them.
Are you sure that people have accurate expectations of what they will see? If you watched inside the game about the proleague they all seemed rather disappointed and agreed that it deflated the hype to see them at MLG next month. Incontrol compared it to a terrible terrible movie and a overweight kid on a lopsided tricycle that will inevitably fall over. And these are pros who constantly follow the sc scene and should know how long and difficult it is to become good so they should have the best idea out of anyone that they can't shine over progamers of sc2 yet.
Is making them play sc2 right now at MLG the best way to brand these players? Do you think any of the kespa players have improved their brand among the 10000 foreign fans who watched the opening day proleague? Did any one of them gain any fans during the sc2 half. They probably have hurt their brand and hype especially among the ones who never watched broodwar. And MLG is risking that happening to their audience of over 10x the foreigners who saw proleague.
I just think that showing 100 000 people that watch mlg likely unimpressive games amongst themselves for a few hours is a bad way to make a first impression and brand these players. If someone makes an obvious mistake the audience will more likely think the player is dumb to do that than to consider factors like practice time and playing two games. If you wanted to introduce a sc2 fan to jeadong would you show them a game that looked like the one he played this weekend?
In conclusion playing sc2 at the next mlg might work out but it is risky. It is better to have them play anything else (sc2bw would be so perfect for this) or nothing at all and sell the current hype and branding to their audience. Just tell the audience how brilliant and talented and hard-working they were at that super difficult to do anything rts so they might be just as good at sc2 with some time in fact that one elephant article expects them to destroy everyone in a few months. Find out if the hype is justified when they play sc2 pros in our next tournament! All of that is difficult to keep in mind if they look bad right now so don't focus on games that make them look bad for hours of stream time it ruins hype and branding.
But maybe they will get better and the commentators will make everyone look good. I'm looking forward to watching either way
I really think it will make them look good. People think they will become gods and even if they play badly, it won't look as bad just because they are brood war pros. They will play their 8 man tourney and people will say OMG they've progressed so much in 2 months! They'll take it as a surprise. They will also make them seem better than they are because of the illusion that is they are better than they actually are. For example, if we make a fake scale of 1-10(10 being best, 1 being worst. Not comparing to any pro's. just a random scale.) They play and they're like a 4/10. People will end up saying they are a 7/10 just because they've played for 2 months and they are already huge names from a harder mechanics game. It's an illusion made from previous success that will pay off because i'd say about 90% will buy into it. It's been done with almost every brood war pro who has switched over so far.
I think you underestimate them, they won't look bad, probably not pro yet, but far from being bad. They are currently playing something like 8-10 hours a day, it won't take too long untill they get a sense of the game/builds.
I'm pretty sure 90+% of sc2 viewers won't be able to see the difference in skill between BW pros and Code S players as long as they don't compete against each other. The other 10% should at least realize that after such a short period of time training a new game (+ still training bw) they cannot possibly be top players, yet.
I think the viewers will be smart enough to appreciate the impressiveness of their skill level given the amount of time they've played. Also the only people who can really discern between different grades of high level play (i.e. BW pros recently switched vs code S and code A) are people who play at a really high level themselves. Plenty of mid masters and below will tell you otherwise but they really don't have much of a clue about high-level decision making, timings, and reactions.
On May 23 2012 19:17 Mandalor wrote: I'm pretty sure 90+% of sc2 viewers won't be able to see the difference in skill between BW pros and Code S players as long as they don't compete against each other. The other 10% should at least realize that after such a short period of time training a new game (+ still training bw) they cannot possibly be top players, yet.
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