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On July 02 2012 09:55 Bagration wrote:Of course, I would love to see the games being held in the heart of downtown Toronto as much as the next guy, but that would be very very expensive. Financial feasibility is very important, and I would rather see a conservative NASL that is less prominent but is financially sustainable rather than one that is extragavant but running huge debts and is likely to go bankrupt. Small steps. Season 3 may not be in the downtown area, but maybe after a successful season 3, NASL can then continue to grow and advance. Have patience in the growth of eSports.  I do not disagree with your statement one bit. It's practical, and hardcore esport fans will go.
The reflexion was simply due to to my understanding that we need to do more than simply cater to fans who will always show up even if it takes place in the middle of the saharan desert. Big tourneys will come to Canada every other year if that, which is why I wrote what I did.
I have no doubt that it'll be a great showing and a good event
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On July 02 2012 09:49 Forikorder wrote: Iberville have you ever considered that they couldnt have gotten a better venue and decided to put comfort of the players and spectators over hoping a few people see it and get kinda curious about it?
there might get more attention from people who probably wont care about esports if it was in downtown TO but it would alot harder for the palyers and spectatorts and casters to get to and from the event
correct me if im wrong but isnt the venue practically right next to an airport and a hotel offering a great deal? how many places in downtown TO could offer that?
There are actually a ton of venues in Toronto that can hold this event. There are two reasons they chose the location they did:
1) It's right by the airport and it's easy to get to. 2) It's very cheap compared to a lot of the other venues. 3) Schedule conflicts.
There is no shortage of venues that are more than capable of hosting this, but a lot of the really nice ones come with a hefty price tag.
P.S. This is coming from someone who used to organize events all over Toronto in 2002 to 2006.
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On July 02 2012 11:52 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 09:49 Forikorder wrote: Iberville have you ever considered that they couldnt have gotten a better venue and decided to put comfort of the players and spectators over hoping a few people see it and get kinda curious about it?
there might get more attention from people who probably wont care about esports if it was in downtown TO but it would alot harder for the palyers and spectatorts and casters to get to and from the event
correct me if im wrong but isnt the venue practically right next to an airport and a hotel offering a great deal? how many places in downtown TO could offer that? There are actually a ton of venues in Toronto that can hold this event. There are two reasons they chose the location they did: 1) It's right by the airport and it's easy to get to. 2) It's very cheap compared to a lot of the other venues. There is no shortage of venues that are more than capable of hosting this, but a lot of the really nice ones come with a hefty price tag. i think #1 is there biggest concern since season 1 aparently alot of koreans were complaining about getting to the venue enough to boycott season 2
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Yeah and I'm sure they'll have no problems with their afterparties either. There's nightlife in the Sauga too.
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On July 02 2012 09:32 Iberville wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey everyone.
I just wanted to contribute my reflexions on the NASL finals in Toronto in a few weeks. This was prompted by my listening to the State of the Game ep. 72 VOD where JP talked mentioned the few disgruntled posters about it not actually taking place in Toronto but in Mississauga. While they were awkwardly trying to figure out if Ontario was a city or not and how far it is from Toronto, I began reflecting more so on it, as I too was disappointed to learn that it would take place so far from the downtown core.
For those not living in Toronto or who haven’t been there, the venue where the NASL finals will take place is situated next to the Pearson International Airport, which is located in Mississauga, a (rather large) suburb outside the city of Toronto. It will take place almost 20 miles (38 kms approx.) outside the downtown core of the city. It will essentially be held in the middle of nowhere, far from the densely populated sectors of the city.
My argument here will be that this is a missed occasion for esports in Toronto and in Canada. It assumes nonetheless that the event will be a great success, that people will have fun, and that, for those going, it will be a positive experience. I do argue, however, that it will have missed its target for promoting esports to an unknowing population basin, and it will give a lukewarm to negative experience to players and casters coming in from all over the world. In this sense, I believe it is doing a disservice to the esports community and to the Starcraft 2 community in Toronto.
Before continuing, this is not a rage against the NASL. I understand the nightmare that it is to coordinate and that logistics can be daunting. Having the event next to the airport will make it easier for the players, I understand. That is not the point. The point is to discuss the question of exposure and the “selling” of Canada as a great place to hold esports events.
First, the location severely amputates the exposure of esports to the greater population in Toronto. With such low population density and in a venue whose main focus is corporate events, I fear little to no people will actually walk next to the venue and discover Starcraft. Had it taken place in the downtown core, you have a few million people who will actively walk near the venue and be perplexed by what is taking place, either through billboards or other form of advertisement. In this sense, Starcraft would “invade” public space in Toronto and be talked about much more.
Currently, the area where the NASL finals will take place will not be able to seduce media attention as much as if it were at the U of Toronto or another venue where people work, eat and play. Having an event right near the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Global Television, City TV, TFO, Radio-Canada, The Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail, the National Post, etc. etc. would have helped to create a media buzz much that is better than most ad spots on any television station. Having access to players, casters and fans would help create better stories and better exposure for the sport. Having it next to the airport severely limits this possibility.
For casters and players, they will feel as though Toronto is just another suburban US city. Everything looks the same, nothing to note. In fact, they will likely not event set foot in the city of Toronto, unless they want to pay the $52 cab ride to go downtown, the hour and thirty minutes of transit, or take regional transportation which would be too much of a hassle to do. A downtown event would make players, casters and fans alike experience the city, have a sense for its culture, its food and its nightlife, giving them positive experiences, rather than a dull suburban cookie cutter experience. Tasteless said something today at the WCS UK in London about how he was so pleased for it to have been taken place in the “cool part of London”. He stated that, often, they cast in a place that is so far out from the city that it diminishes the experience. Those in “Toronto” will not experience the city.
I feel that the Greater Toronto Area is fortunate to have this event take place. I believe it is positive, and I’m glad. I do hope, however, that the next time around, these sorts of events will take place within the public space of the downtown core to help grow the sport and push it towards the mainstream, instead of holding it in the margins of the city and, in effect, keeping it in the margin of the media and society.
Nonetheless, I wish everyone a great time. I’m sure it’ll be a blast and I am looking forward to have another major tournament in Toronto. Honestly, did you really need to write this wall of text to show how you wished it was downtown? All if not the majority of us wish it could be downtown but you're making it seem like it's the end of the world for having the finals just outside of Toronto. Let's just be thankful that a major tournament like this is actually close to where we live in the first place.
There are so many other major cities in North America that are dying to have events like this. Heck, I'm even surprised Toronto got a major SC2 tournament before Montreal did, because we've all seen how crazy their MLG barcrafts have been. If these finals turn out to be a success maybe MLG will pay attention and think about coming here too. And we *know* they will host their event downtown because they have the resources to do so, which at the end of the day is why the NASL finals are going to be where they are.
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Do you have to buy the ticket online?
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On July 02 2012 12:34 Kluey wrote: Do you have to buy the ticket online? considering there probably completely sold out id say so
no chance of there being any seats open day of
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Does anyone want my ticket? I feel like I got shafted now that they launched premium tickets, and I won't have any chance of getting the "best seats in the house" whatsoever.
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On July 02 2012 14:59 geokilla wrote: Does anyone want my ticket? I feel like I got shafted now that they launched premium tickets, and I won't have any chance of getting the "best seats in the house" whatsoever.
Want as in, want!? I want it! I could give it to a friend
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On July 02 2012 15:20 suitegamer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 14:59 geokilla wrote: Does anyone want my ticket? I feel like I got shafted now that they launched premium tickets, and I won't have any chance of getting the "best seats in the house" whatsoever. Want as in, want!? I want it! I could give it to a friend  Yes want as in want lol. I haven't found anyone going either... Except for a couple people that I don't know. No fun going alone..
PM me and we'll continue to talk and I'll make a final decision.
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^I can't find anyone else to go with either but I'm going alone anyway. There's no way I'm going to miss this.
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On July 03 2012 00:40 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:20 suitegamer wrote:On July 02 2012 14:59 geokilla wrote: Does anyone want my ticket? I feel like I got shafted now that they launched premium tickets, and I won't have any chance of getting the "best seats in the house" whatsoever. Want as in, want!? I want it! I could give it to a friend  Yes want as in want lol. I haven't found anyone going either... Except for a couple people that I don't know. No fun going alone.. PM me and we'll continue to talk and I'll make a final decision.
Honestly, just go :p
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Gonna be so sick <3 cant wait to go
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Anyone know what time it's going to start on Saturday? Alot of people including myself are planning on driving in that morning.
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The ticket says "Saturday, July 14, 2012 at 8:00 AM - Sunday, July 15, 2012 at 11:00 PM (ET)"
But I think NASL's website said 9:00?
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In other news, five additional casters will be at the finals!
http://nasl.tv/News/Article/201207039-starcraft-ii-casters-at-nasl-grand-finals
Though the North American Star League has 4 in-house casters, the NASL Grand Finals will have a bit more StarCraft II action happening at once than MrBitter, RotterdaM, Gretorp, and Frodan can cast. As such, the event will feature 5 guest casting personalities to help cover the NASL and Blizzard StarCraft II World Championship Series portions of the events.
Three of the casters will be rotating with the NASL casters on the main streams throughout the two-day event. The other two guest casters will be covering the French stream, which will offer a mix of content from the event with a particular focus on the Canada Nationals.
In addition to the team of StarCraft II casters, Hi-Rez Bart and FishStix will be casting the Tribes: Ascend Grand Finals with additional commentary and analysis from a special guest. CSL will have a team of casters for their event, as well.
Looking at the silhouettes in the picture, I think the guy on the far right looks like InControL? And that might be IdrA next to him? Man I hope so. :D
Edit: "[9] Casters" = Day9??
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The 3 blanks from right to left look like Incontrol, Idra and Huk, imo
edit; Derp, Huk is playing.
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One of them has to be Day9, why else would they write it as "[9]"?
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This will seriously be the greatest thing ever if Day9 is there.
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