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On April 17 2012 02:10 Whitewing wrote:
I'm so glad that he's not casting code A anymore.
No offense to Moletrap as a person or anything, but his casting annoyed the hell out of me: I actually stopped watching code A when he was casting. Every time he insulted a player I wanted to strangle him.
You wanted to strangle him but you mean no offense? You stop watching code A altogether instead of just turning the volume down?
Will you do my taxes?
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my dream came true !
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Nice, I'm really happy to see him go away from SC2. Sorry lol but I feel like there's a lot of more talented Starcraft 2 players and casters that deserve the opportunity he had a lot more.
That being said now that I will probably be able to watch Code A matches without having to mute them, when will I find the time to catch up on new music...
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(Kinda off topic but still, Moletrap was a caster whose "problems" can be identified in TB as well)
TB likes to always mention this "play-by-play/analyst" separation, but it really sounds like an excuse to me. In SC2 the scene has not evolved so much that this clear distinction exists. A pure analyst would be someone like IdrA, but there isn't a regular caster like him yet.
Most guys I would consider as "analysts" (like Artosis, Day9, Wolf, BitterdaM...) are coincidentally enough also great play-by-play commentators (for my standards at least).
I have a feeling that sometimes TB considers himself as a sort of play-by-play god and prides himself on not knowing much about SC2 other than the names of the units and spells, but really if you're passionate enough about SC2 (like all the names I've mentioned), you can be great at both describing and analyzing...
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And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
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On April 17 2012 03:13 MrLion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 01:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote:
Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game. Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentatorNote the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year. I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game. You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world. Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future  EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene.
you talk crap about him, but he got a point exetly, the most ppl who are watching don't realy care about what the 5% think that are watching, but the 95% and that are normaly the lower level of players, and if your a person who can make it simple and understandable in a deep and complex game you got most of the time a good connection with the lower level of players. so they will stay populair.
i realy hope he does well in ogn btw^^
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Maybe now all retarded comments on the GOM site and LR threads will stop.
I liked his casting, dunno why so many people felt so.... passionate about it.
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On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
LoL is boring to watch and play.
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TB is good comic relief, but it gets old fast, sorry homie. GL to Moletrap, I've known of him since SC2GG but I never enjoyed his casting style. Cholera, Diggity and Rise was where it's at. Where's Cholera?? LoL is taking over E-Sports guys, let's face it. =D
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On April 17 2012 03:26 zergmacro34 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... LoL is boring to watch and play.
Those millions of people must be masochists then.
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On April 17 2012 03:30 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:26 zergmacro34 wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... LoL is boring to watch and play. Those millions of people must be masochists then.
naaa they just have bad computers and no money
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Calgary26004 Posts
It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him.
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LOLZ good riddence says I, Moletrap i wish you good luck cause in Starcraft 2 You had none, and yes, PYLONS DO GIVE VISION......
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Not a loss for me, I hope they'll find a better caster to work with the others over in Korea.
Glhf LoL community
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I'm slightly disappointed. Moletrap's knowledge of SC2 was sufficient such that he could cast informatively and explain things to a casual audience. On the other hand, when I watch him cast LoL he doesn't have enough game knowledge to understand why certain champions were picked (AoE team comps vs poke comps vs split pushing comps). He has a tendency of scream "OH WILL HE GET AWAY?!!" when it's obvious they aren't getting out (they burn flash, are stuck mid-river out from tower against jungler + laner and jungler has red buff). I'm sitting at ~1550s so I might be a little on the elitist side but I'm pretty sure even those at 1300s can see why I mute the stream/VoDs. Moletrap's casting adds very little to what I can already see happening.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
How hard is it to just wish someone the best in what they do next in life? Even if you really disliked someone's casting style, how hard would it be to accept them moving on, take it for what it is and move on with your life and let them do the same?
A lot of people are doing this in this thread, both those who liked Moletrap and those who did not. Yet we have others who just have to throw a last 'fuck you, thank god you are gone' to a guy that may or may not have been the best around, but did something he loved and is now moving on.
The fans can be sad that he left and say their good byes. The non-fans do not have to be aggressive about it, if they are happy that he is now casting LoL then surely that knowledge and getting their way is enough to put a smile on their faces? Gloating was never once required.
And finally then we have the good old drama coming out concerning a different caster with next to no relevance to the one being discussed with throwing shit at them as well. And it all goes downhill from there.
Moletrap, I hope you will continue to enjoy Korea and I hope you enjoy what you are doing. Thank you for your work at GomTV and good luck at OGN.
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On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
One caster who was already doing LoL part time for over a month now decides to switch to casting LoL.
Time to put on the tinfoil hats!
Really?
Who else is one of the many described in your post? Fruitdealer?
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Regardless of how I feel about his casting, Moletrap is oddly loveable.
Best of luck in the future!
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On April 17 2012 03:24 sabastiaan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:13 MrLion wrote:On April 17 2012 01:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote:
Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game. Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentatorNote the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year. I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game. You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world. Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene. you talk crap about him, but he got a point exetly, the most ppl who are watching don't realy care about what the 5% think that are watching, but the 95% and that are normaly the lower level of players, and if your a person who can make it simple and understandable in a deep and complex game you got most of the time a good connection with the lower level of players. so they will stay populair. i realy hope he does well in ogn btw^^
I really question that 95% want play-by-play. Casuals want the casting to be funny and entertaining, and telling people what's happening in front of their faces are neither of those things. And often times these casters are just wrong about what they say when they try to make it "simple and understandable", which doesn't appeal to anyone.
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I'm happy I get to hear more Wolf And Khaldor consistently. They're becoming one of the best casting combos.
I'm sure Moletrap is thrilled to be working at OGN. I wouldn't be surprised if that has been his dream for years.
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