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On April 17 2012 03:38 Chill wrote:
It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him.
Is this a kind way of saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out"? :p
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On April 17 2012 03:43 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:24 sabastiaan wrote:On April 17 2012 03:13 MrLion wrote:On April 17 2012 01:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote:
Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game. Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentatorNote the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year. I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game. You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world. Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future  EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene. you talk crap about him, but he got a point exetly, the most ppl who are watching don't realy care about what the 5% think that are watching, but the 95% and that are normaly the lower level of players, and if your a person who can make it simple and understandable in a deep and complex game you got most of the time a good connection with the lower level of players. so they will stay populair. i realy hope he does well in ogn btw^^ I really question that 95% want play-by-play. Casuals want the casting to be funny and entertaining, and telling people what's happening in front of their faces are neither of those things. And often times these casters are just wrong about what they say when they try to make it "simple and understandable", which doesn't appeal to anyone.
Thankfully this discussion as it relates to TotalBiscuit can be answered for you personally in not tuning in to the ShoutCraft Invitationals and answered in general by looking at the numbers for that tournament. It is a fascinating little social experiment in StarCraft II. And perhaps, just perhaps we can all somehow just not bash one another.
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On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
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Calgary25985 Posts
On April 17 2012 03:45 Roflhaxx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:38 Chill wrote:
It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him. Is this a kind way of saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out"? :p
Not at all and I don't understand how you could possible infer that.
1. Moletrap is a better SC2 commentator than LoL
2. People shouldn't be so harsh
3. The community forced his hand.
4. I hope Moletrap and then community find a happy medium where everyone is satisfied.
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On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
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On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
I don't know, name some more for us?
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awesome, for me he made gsl unwatchable
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On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
Destiny is still a Starcraft 2 player.
Fruitdealer was at the end of his playing career and became a coach.
Moletrap is a commentator.
Honestly seems like you're just trolling.
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Calgary25985 Posts
On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
How about more than 3 for a start? And Fruit Dealer hasn't done anything in SC2 in forever. And Destiny still plays SC2 competitively and LoL for fun.
LoL is certainly bigger than SC2 but the competitive scene is smaller for now. Who knows if there will be a big crossover, but naming 2 people that have switched doesn't mean anything really.
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On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
Yeah the prize money divided by 5 is a big incentive too.
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so thats what happened to Torch? man was off the map lol
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On April 16 2012 18:50 RaiKageRyu wrote:From the GSL General dicussion thread that Khaldor confirmed, that I commented: Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:38 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Wow, from someone that followed him from his BW Youtube beginnings, I am quite shocked actually. I didn't even know he played LoL let alone cast it. He never casted any games on his Youtube channels either.
I am rather doubtful it was a case of higher salary. Even if OGN did offer more money, for a person like Moletrap to betray his passion for Starcraft... There had to be a higher reason.
Two reasons I see possible for moving to OGN for LoL:
1) He knows a majority or at least a very vocal minority of the SC2 community hates him a lot. So he decided to pack his bags and move to greener grass where he won't be heckled.
2) The more likely reason is that he hopes by working with OGN, even through LoL, it would give him a chance to cast Proleague or Starleague if they decided to start casting those games in English as well. For such a BW scene lover like Moletrap, that is truly a dream come true. I don't like how he didn't make a formal announcement himself though. I felt like it was a bit dickish. Oh well  Torch was no surprise to me. I knew he played LoL a lot. Also his job at GOM was to be a foreign liaison but that was when GOM actually had a decent amount of foreigners in GSL. With the number of foreigners we have now, he probably didn't even have anything to do.
I think it's hard to say actually. It was a quiet transition from SC2 to LoL and at the same time, I'm not just 100% sold that the heckler situation would really have bothered Moletrap that much. He's professional...he knows there are going to be lovers and haters...there are people who complain about even Tastetosis...I think there had to be other reasons for Moletrap's transition, or rather, a combination of different reasons.
Because remember, he moved to Korea(together with his wife, btw) to cast SC2 - which was his dream, was it not? He made the dream come true - and with that, some other opportunities just seemed to have presented themselves along the way. Personally I think Moletrap is sending a shift...and made his choice. You know how it works guys. You always want to ride the wave whilst it's strong, and cash out at it's height, getting out cleanly before the crash.
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Honestly not a big fan but good luck with OGN, Moletrap!
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Thank god, and good luck!
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thats sad, i really like him and khaldors casting for GOM. tbh, i preferred them to tastosis by a long shot. oh well, i hope he's happy where he is now, and good luck to all involved.
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Hope he has fun. I'm not sad to see him go though.
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On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
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Oh, what a sad loss for ESPORTS.
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Thank god. Kid cannot cast starcraft even if his life depended on it.
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