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People won't massively leave SC2 for LoL. Come on, it's fun to play, certainly, but it's way more casual. It just doesn't require as much mental efforts as SC and therefor less exciting too watch and less exciting to become good at. (too me anyway).
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On April 17 2012 04:28 SpinmovE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 04:12 willoc wrote:On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch. FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth. Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show? Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL. MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"? Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
Your input is really great too! Thanks for the personal attacks! I can only wonder what you will resort to next
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I never understood all of the negativity toward moletrap and generally liked his casting. He effectively is a color commentator - not an analyst and he generally did a good job at it. Even though he wasn't hired to play the analyst most criticized him as though he had been. Also the posters on the GOM boards are generally some of the most ignorant pieces of waste on the Internet, so if I were him I'd be glad to be leaving, especially if it's for greener pastures. GL
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On April 17 2012 04:12 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch. FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth. Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show? Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL. MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Add Trump to the list as well. He's been streaming League for how long now? Maybe he's not "pro" but he was/is prominent.
Live Streams right here on TL tell the story alone. Right now I see:
[Dota2] Dendi
[Dota2] mTw syndereN
It's not exclusively League of Legends that's gaining ground. It's the MOBA trend in general that's picking up. What does this mean for me?
I'm still going to watching GSL with my yearly pass.
I'm still going to be playing SC2.
But I'm also going to be playing attention to what else is going on. I think some of you are simply going all red alert on this, when what the core message I'm saying is, keep your eyes and ears open...Moletrap is, like it or not, an agent from the industry...we need to watch the industry on how it evolves...
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On April 17 2012 05:02 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 04:28 SpinmovE wrote:On April 17 2012 04:12 willoc wrote:On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch. FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth. Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show? Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL. MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"? Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff. Your input is really great too! Thanks for the personal attacks! I can only wonder what you will resort to next
Personal attacks? Not really.
I agree with your post but really you are unaware of Destiny? D_K_night was either making a joke about Destiny or is also blissfully ignorant of him, as Destiny is still in the SC2 scene.
"Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch."
Apart from Destiny because he hasn't switched to LoL, please, carry on and name some more. I'll throw in Yellow for you as he has already been mentioned. Beyond those three, then please, carry on and list off some more names.
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On April 17 2012 05:06 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 04:12 willoc wrote:On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch. FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth. Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show? Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL. MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"? Add Trump to the list as well. He's been streaming League for how long now? Maybe he's not "pro" but he was/is prominent. Live Streams right here on TL tell the story alone. Right now I see: [Dota2] Dendi [Dota2] mTw syndereN It's not exclusively League of Legends that's gaining ground. It's the MOBA trend in general that's picking up. What does this mean for me? I'm still going to watching GSL with my yearly pass. I'm still going to be playing SC2. But I'm also going to be playing attention to what else is going on. I think some of you are simply going all red alert on this, when what the core message I'm saying is, keep your eyes and ears open...Moletrap is, like it or not, an agent from the industry...we need to watch the industry on how it evolves...
I wonder about the draw to higher viewing numbers for casters/players. I routinely see Dendi pulling in 10k for dota2 and LoL streams surpassing 10k. Considering Destiny made a full time living off less than that it's enticing.
But is Dendi sharing the stream revenue with his team? Tournament prize money is divided by 5 for mobas. That won't matter for casters but players will be making less. Well assuming equal prize money per viewers, LoL would have to pull in 5x as many viewers.
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On April 17 2012 05:06 D_K_night wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 04:12 willoc wrote:On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch. FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth. Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show? Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL. MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"? Add Trump to the list as well. He's been streaming League for how long now? Maybe he's not "pro" but he was/is prominent. Live Streams right here on TL tell the story alone. Right now I see: [Dota2] Dendi [Dota2] mTw syndereN It's not exclusively League of Legends that's gaining ground. It's the MOBA trend in general that's picking up. What does this mean for me? I'm still going to watching GSL with my yearly pass. I'm still going to be playing SC2. But I'm also going to be playing attention to what else is going on. I think some of you are simply going all red alert on this, when what the core message I'm saying is, keep your eyes and ears open...Moletrap is, like it or not, an agent from the industry...we need to watch the industry on how it evolves...
Trump was a featured streamer before featured streamers were progamers only, he's just a sc2 player who started playing league of legends, and it's not uncommon for people to switch the game they play if they get bored or tired of their current game.
In the pro industry no players have switched to become players, one commentator that I know of has switched. One player has retired and become a coach.
I understand your comments but really almost nothing has happened, when we see a Korean sc2 progamer switch to League of Legends you can start making these kinds of claims.
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Can't bring in Day [9] because i don't think people want to have the games paused every 10 seconds to have time for his explanations :D
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On April 17 2012 04:47 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 04:39 Amlitzer wrote:On April 17 2012 04:28 SpinmovE wrote:On April 17 2012 04:12 willoc wrote:On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch. FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth. Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show? Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL. MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"? Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff. The only people who ever liked Destiny were on /reddit/, but they hate him now and prefer Dragon. Destiny's stream numbers have been substantially declining and he took a huge drop when he switched to ow3nd. His tournament results have also been incredibly lacking. Destiny was never more than a minor figure in the community and now you would be hard pressed to argue he is even that. No you are wrong. He is very well known in the SC2 community. Just because his stream numbers are dropping doesn't mean people are forgetting about him... that doesn't even make sense. Do you forget about players when you stop watching their stream? I would hope not, because otherwise that would be unfortunate. Regardless, he fact is that if someone doesn't even know who Destiny is yet he is offering his opinion on Destiny anyway... it just looks stupid. It doesn't make his other points look credible when he doesn't even know who Destiny is, and he is willing to just make assumptions to prove a point.
That's all fine, I just want to interject a little regarding his stream number drop. If they have declined as much as stated, that's a big deal for Destiny actually. This is a guy who makes his living off of the stream. Supports his family and kid through that...
If people "aren't forgetting you", but aren't tuning in watch you...that doesn't pay the bills.
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On April 17 2012 03:18 Full.tilt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 02:10 Whitewing wrote:
I'm so glad that he's not casting code A anymore.
No offense to Moletrap as a person or anything, but his casting annoyed the hell out of me: I actually stopped watching code A when he was casting. Every time he insulted a player I wanted to strangle him. You wanted to strangle him but you mean no offense? You stop watching code A altogether instead of just turning the volume down? Will you do my taxes?
I said I mean no offense to him as a person, I'm sure he's a cool dude and a nice guy.
I just detested his casting.
A lot of people are comparing Moletrap to Totalbiscuit in this thread, but that's a bad comparison. Moletrap kept trying to do analysis in his casts and was consistently wrong. Totalbiscuit doesn't try to do analysis, he knows he doesn't know the game well enough to do it so he intentionally sticks to color commentary. Totalbiscuit's approach is a much better one to that style of casting: he focuses entirely on doing what he knows he can do and doesn't try to do something he can't and make an arse of himself.
Also, Totalbiscuit never calls the people playing "terrible" or "scrubs". Your job as a caster (especially a color commentator!) is to make the game as interesting as possible for people watching. You're trying to increase excitement and energy levels. Insulting the players does exactly the opposite of that. This is the most infuriating thing I can think of for a caster to do.
TB is leagues above Moletrap as a caster. He's more professional and more competent. Even though I personally prefer analytical casters and don't particularly enjoy listening to TB (simply because I don't like color commentary), I still understand the value of it when it's done well. I certainly don't get annoyed or angry when TB is casting like I did when Moletrap was casting.
Obviously it couldn't hurt TB to learn about the game a bit more, but I don't think he has the time right now, and he does a fine job without knowing anything, all things considered.
So thanks TB for providing an example of how to do color commentary well in SC2.
Good luck to Moletrap as well in the future, I just hope he stops insulting the people he's casting.
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good luck Moletrap. Although I personally couldnt stand your casting I wish you nothing but good things in your future of LoL casting.
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On April 17 2012 05:02 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 04:28 SpinmovE wrote:On April 17 2012 04:12 willoc wrote:On April 17 2012 03:48 D_K_night wrote:On April 17 2012 03:46 gape.ninja wrote:On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote:
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys... ok cya I love you too. Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch. FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth. Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show? Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL. MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"? Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff. Your input is really great too! Thanks for the personal attacks! I can only wonder what you will resort to next
Have you seen Yellow's LoL team play? I'd suggest going and doing so before spouting bullshit. Same with Fruitdealer, Startales LoL team are very good.
Fruitdealer may have got progressivley 'worse' but it probably had nothing to do with his own skill ceiling, just the fact he didn't enjoy the game and barely practiced. Hell we all know about the story at IEM (where he placed second) and was playing LoL in between his games.
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This would be the meanest and best April Fool's prank ever if Khaldor just pulled one over on everyone. I don't think Khaldor's twitter is a terribly reliable source.
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On April 17 2012 04:55 Gulzt wrote:
People won't massively leave SC2 for LoL. Come on, it's fun to play, certainly, but it's way more casual. It just doesn't require as much mental efforts as SC and therefor less exciting too watch and less exciting to become good at. (too me anyway).
Some people left BW for SC2 (: isn't this the same case?
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Gonna miss him, moletrap, klazart and diggity were my gateway casters into the world of BW and later SC2.
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TBH I'm not a fan of moletrap's commentating in general. Having been a former high masters player and now roughly the equivalent of low masters in LoL, I just don't like his style. He tries too hard to analyze games he doesn't understand that in depth, so as a result he kinda puts me off. Can't think of any quotes in general, but basically it's a color commentator trying to do the analysis as well. Best of luck in casting LoL, and as LoL is more casual, you'll probably appeal to the masses, but I will most likely mute the stream while watching.
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So he just gives like that, huh? I think its for the best... The fact that he left casting for another game means that he wasn't passionate as other casters(I.e. Sean, Dan and Nick). Which was already obvious, given his laziness to learn the game a bit more, to take in the feedback and produce something amazing from it. Unless he did and I didn't know of course, because I haven't watched every moletrap casting video. Being passionate for the game your casting is the foundation of casting. Really I have a bit of a feeling of betrayal, my knowledge and reasoning won't convince my psychological feelings about this.
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Moletrap doesn't know the first thing about League of Legends! And by that I mean he knows more about LoL than the sc2 metagame. Get it
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Good Career choice. League of Legends sadly is going to take over the number 1 esport spot if it hasn't already. The only thing starcraft 2 has on it is sponsors other then that, theirs more money, more viewers, bigger community. Oh and LAN.
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