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lugaidster
Chile30 Posts
On April 18 2012 07:13 LordWeird wrote: Is this any different than this????? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67365 It depends on what you mean by different, other than the fact that this is for SC2 while that one is for SC:BW... | ||
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Ziggitz
United States340 Posts
On April 17 2012 21:01 StarcraftMan wrote: Dustin Bowder just said "we support IT" in the video. "IT" doesn't necessarily mean the mod or hack. I take it as Dustin Bowder is saying they support the idea of adding a feature for stronger colors in the SC2 client but not that they support a mod. Blizzard cannot endorse mods, even if the mods are not harmful to Blizzard or the SC2 community. I guarantee you that if one of the big tournaments like IPL or MLG ran this color mod, they would hear from Blizzard. While Blizzard cannot endorse any mods, Blizzard can turn a blind eye to certain mods. IMO, the color mod and this resume game mod may qualify as mods that Blizzard can turn a blind eye to because it does no harm to Blizzard and the SC2 community endorses it. However, Blizzard would only turn a blind eye to these mods for individual use or small tourney use - Blizzard would most certainly disallow it at large tournaments. There's no way Blizzard will turn a blind eye to it. It's an outright hack that modifies working memory. The published code is basically a guide on how to make other SC2 hacks. Even if they don't outright ban people who use it they're going to move memory addresses around and break the method by which it works. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On April 18 2012 11:19 Ziggitz wrote: There's no way Blizzard will turn a blind eye to it. It's an outright hack that modifies working memory. The published code is basically a guide on how to make other SC2 hacks. Even if they don't outright ban people who use it they're going to move memory addresses around and break the method by which it works. But then shouldn't they ban orb and shut down the esv korean weekly for using the stronger color mod on stream immediately? Then update the game to break the mod? Why haven't they done that yet? | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On April 15 2012 17:46 Proseat wrote: I think you misunderstood what I said.That would be a lot more work and will not be easy. UI alterations is an entirely new can of worms that one might not want to open, and it definitely would go way beyond the scope of this proof of concept. So far this program does not replace functions of the game. It simply calls some more of its subroutines to achieve piggybacking replay instructions when opening a custom game. This would, however, be the most sensible way Blizzard could/would incorporate this into the client, as I mentioned earlier. I'm just talking about the program itself saying which order the players joined the game, not to actually display that information in the SC2 client itself. Not only that, but I'd say that displaying it in-game wouldn't be nearly as hard as you'd think, not that it needs to be done. Oh another thing that could be added to this program that would be convenient would be indicating the times any player left the game. Considering that this is usually just the length of the replay (1v1 games) that doesn't make it too useful, but it DOES make it useful for games with multiple players, like 2v2 games. On April 16 2012 22:18 scsnow wrote: Viewing the replay is already in SC2, they just have to add mutiplayer support for it and a "play from here" button. Wow Mr small post... you actually gave a really good idea. Not only does this program load replays as games, but it can be used to watch replays with other players, a feature many people have also wanted. The "play from here" button is also a really good idea that could maybe be implemented in this program, but it certainly a bit of an additional challenge compared to what's already been done. On April 17 2012 04:55 [wh]_ForAlways wrote: Why is the site not allowed to be posted? It wasn't that long ago when there was an iCCup link on the sidebar of TL. Very good point. | ||
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StarKiller
France51 Posts
 The potential of that thing is limitless! For training or simply for entertainment value I really hope blizzard takes up on your idea and makes it an official mode Thank you for showing the way! | ||
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TheSuperCow
12 Posts
On April 18 2012 05:57 Attribute wrote: TheSuperCow, would you consider putting this project on a website such as Github, Google Code, or Sourceforge? Or if you don't want to do that yourself, would you mind formally giving your work a permissive license so someone else can? I'm sure there are a number of coders on TL that appreciate you have released your source code and would like to help if they can. I do not care what people do with the source code, but for formalities sake (and legally, stupid as it is), let's say it's released under the MIT license. Note that it uses udis86 (http://udis86.sourceforge.net/) whose website claims BSD license, but there is no LICENSE file included with the source code. I don't know which version, and I don't know what this means, since I do not care to research it (but I do believe the BSD licenses are quite permissive). I will happily develop my own x86 disassembly library if it comes to that. I will not put it up on a website at this time, I'm sorry. If anyone wishes to do that, be my guest. They can even claim it as theirs, I care not. On April 18 2012 07:57 theBullFrog wrote: You know what i'd really love ? if you were to stream and explain how this work as a tutorial or just for us peopel who want to learn My apologies, but I will be unable to do this. If anyone else wants to, go ahead. On April 18 2012 11:35 Xapti wrote: I think you misunderstood what I said. I'm just talking about the program itself saying which order the players joined the game, not to actually display that information in the SC2 client itself. Not only that, but I'd say that displaying it in-game wouldn't be nearly as hard as you'd think, not that it needs to be done. Oh another thing that could be added to this program that would be convenient would be indicating the times any player left the game. Considering that this is usually just the length of the replay (1v1 games) that doesn't make it too useful, but it DOES make it useful for games with multiple players, like 2v2 games. Wow Mr small post... you actually gave a really good idea. Not only does this program load replays as games, but it can be used to watch replays with other players, a feature many people have also wanted. The "play from here" button is also a really good idea that could maybe be implemented in this program, but it certainly a bit of an additional challenge compared to what's already been done. Very good point. The order players joined is no longer significant. The visual slot on screen which a player occupies is. True, UI alterations would probably not be much work, and I don't know if it is so much different from what the program already does. The program could indeed display the times when players left and when the replay ends, as you would typically try to resume from a disconnect a second or two before the player disconnected, but I do not intend to add it at this time. Maybe if the program sees widespread use. Real shared replay viewing would be a fun feature to add. Maybe I'll take a look at that... | ||
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Gridlock
United Kingdom517 Posts
Best of luck to you mate I hope it develops in to something special. I'm a little nervous to use it at the minute incase Blizz pull out the banhammer but will keep a close eye on it. Cheers | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On April 18 2012 09:48 lugaidster wrote: It depends on what you mean by different, other than the fact that this is for SC2 while that one is for SC:BW... I meant in terms of how it works. Sorry, I was a little sleep deprived when I wrote that. Heh. | ||
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Attribute
United States6 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:20 TheSuperCow wrote: I forgot some files in the source code .zip. I updated the link, it should compile now. I do not care what people do with the source code, but for formalities sake (and legally, stupid as it is), let's say it's released under the MIT license. Note that it uses udis86 (http://udis86.sourceforge.net/) whose website claims BSD license, but there is no LICENSE file included with the source code. I don't know which version, and I don't know what this means, since I do not care to research it (but I do believe the BSD licenses are quite permissive). I will happily develop my own x86 disassembly library if it comes to that. I will not put it up on a website at this time, I'm sorry. If anyone wishes to do that, be my guest. They can even claim it as theirs, I care not. Thank you TheSuperCow for formally releasing your code under the MIT license. I have placed the code at https://sourceforge.net/p/sc2replayresume/ for anyone who wishes to take part. I will update the SourceForge page whenever TheSuperCow releases future versions of the program. I won't be able to make any contributions myself for at least the next two weeks, but I hope to do so after that. | ||
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Kilocide
Canada13 Posts
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ngri
Luxembourg136 Posts
Blizzard must be lurking around here as well,... somewhere... Awesome work bringing this to light in such a matter. | ||
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On April 19 2012 00:53 ngri wrote: Got a lot of mention as well yesterday in State of the Game by all guests including Adam from MLG. The State of the Game and Adam from the MLG started talking about TheSuperCow's program at 31:27 mark of this video: (they also talk about it at the 1:49:00 mark of the video but only very briefly) Adam mentions that MLG is looking into TheSuperCow's program and that MLG may talk to Blizzard about this. I would be very surprised if Blizzard gave MLG permission to use this. However, if MLG, IPL, GOM, and Dreamhack all requested that Blizzard allow them to use this program, Blizzard may just go ahead and add some type of resume game feature (not necessarily resuming off a replay like this program) to placate the big tournaments. | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:20 TheSuperCow wrote: I do not care what people do with the source code, but for formalities sake (and legally, stupid as it is), let's say it's released under the MIT license. Note that it uses udis86 (http://udis86.sourceforge.net/) whose website claims BSD license, but there is no LICENSE file included with the source code. I don't know which version, and I don't know what this means, since I do not care to research it (but I do believe the BSD licenses are quite permissive). I will happily develop my own x86 disassembly library if it comes to that. I will not put it up on a website at this time, I'm sorry. If anyone wishes to do that, be my guest. They can even claim it as theirs, I care not. Awesome. For those who don't know, MIT and BSD licenses are esentially 'do whatever you want with code, just don't sue me if something goes wrong' On April 18 2012 17:20 TheSuperCow wrote: Real shared replay viewing would be a fun feature to add. Maybe I'll take a look at that... Would be amazing. If you could somehow make it so they are one in the same and you seemlessly go from watching a shared replay to taking control... | ||
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supereddie
Netherlands151 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:20 TheSuperCow wrote: Real shared replay viewing would be a fun feature to add. Maybe I'll take a look at that... I don't know the exact workings of the tool, but I guess one could set up a custom game with 2 AI players and me & friends as observers, then play the replay at 1x speed. That way, the AI players are 'playing' and me & friends can do the observing... If Blizzard ever introduced shared replay viewing, I think they would use the party system of BNET for it, because I think that would be a lot easier with a lot of the synchronization stuff alread available for party play. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On April 18 2012 07:13 LordWeird wrote: Is this any different than this????? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67365 The implementation sounds very different. This once executes the actions from the replay in a normal game. The one you linked, creates a multiplayer savegame while watching the replay, and then allows you to use that savegame as the starting point of a game. | ||
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TheSuperCow
12 Posts
On April 19 2012 05:53 supereddie wrote: I don't know the exact workings of the tool, but I guess one could set up a custom game with 2 AI players and me & friends as observers, then play the replay at 1x speed. That way, the AI players are 'playing' and me & friends can do the observing... This would not work right now. I will need to disable the AI for that to work, since otherwise the AI interferes with the actions from the replay, and things will just look very strange. | ||
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supereddie
Netherlands151 Posts
 But to me it seemed the easiest solution without requiring funky stuff with the observer controls and players' vision/camera/etc. | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On April 18 2012 02:28 coolcor wrote: want to note that the first question in this interview was about any alternate solution to tournament disconnects and browder's answer was that some of these solutions are big engineering tasks and some of them may be impossible for them to do. I guess by some of them he meant the ones that aren't this one because it doesn't seem like a big engineering task or impossible. But then why even think or talk about the impossible solutions at all and instead talk about the reasons they haven't done this solution? Dustin Bowder may be referring to a reconnect feature. I think a reconnect feature is a bit more complicated than other solutions. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On April 19 2012 12:31 StarcraftMan wrote: Dustin Bowder may be referring to a reconnect feature. I think a reconnect feature is a bit more complicated than other solutions. Reconnect is already in the game actually. I've been completely disconnected from the Internet, had my connection restored, and was able to get back into the game without getting dropped. This doesn't work in the case of crashes, but for network outages, it's in the game. The timer just isn't very long. | ||
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