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On April 17 2012 03:03 Ansinjunger wrote:
Well the price isn't too bad if u get the bundled Spring Arenas 1 & 2 for $15 (already gold), but $30 without gold is kinda steep. My main issue is that it's an 8 player tournament over 3 days. Wth? Is pool play best of 5 or something? There's gotta be some pretty good filler content with the analysts, etc., but certain analysts will have to stop being super biased.
The first day is pool play in which everyone will play everyone (probably best of 3). After that day, they will have some seeding in which they will enter a single elimination 8-person bracket. With that type of model, each of these eight players are going to be trying pretty hard to get that first seed, and then be busting out the real builds on the final day in order to take home the prize.
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On April 16 2012 13:23 HenryHazlitt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote:
No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting. says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports. Hypocrite.
Don't even start with the support eSports crap.
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On April 17 2012 03:14 Imbu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 03:03 Ansinjunger wrote:
Well the price isn't too bad if u get the bundled Spring Arenas 1 & 2 for $15 (already gold), but $30 without gold is kinda steep. My main issue is that it's an 8 player tournament over 3 days. Wth? Is pool play best of 5 or something? There's gotta be some pretty good filler content with the analysts, etc., but certain analysts will have to stop being super biased. The first day is pool play in which everyone will play everyone (probably best of 3). After that day, they will have some seeding in which they will enter a single elimination 8-person bracket. With that type of model, each of these eight players are going to be trying pretty hard to get that first seed, and then be busting out the real builds on the final day in order to take home the prize.
You still have to play everyone even if you get the #1 seed... and what if someone like DRG or MKP or Parting had a bad day and ended up with the #8 seed? There doesn't seem to be much reward in doing well in pool play.
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On April 16 2012 15:07 Bart wrote:
This is another "test" arena to see how the willing-to-PPV SC2 fans will respond to a small lineup of top players (ie small lineup means less money spent to fly players out). If MLG gets the same response as the winter arena then you'll see more of the spring arena type of tournament.
I think MLG is going the wrong way with this setup though. Fans want to watch epic games that mean something. 8 players in group and all of them advance to the round of 8 (lol) means the players won't show their best games until the last day and will probably treat this as a free vacation.
A Bo5 double elimination tournament format gets them the time they want without the group stage.
Napkin math:
An average game is about ~20 minutes.
Set up time, pre-game commentary, and post-game commentary make up an additional ~5 minutes - ~25 minutes per game.
An average Bo5 has 4 games - 4 x 25 ~ 100 minutes.
Double elimination format with 8 players results in:
4 Bo5 matches in the WB Ro8
2 Bo5 matches in the WB Ro4
1 Bo5 match in the WB Finals
2 Bo5 matches in the LB Ro4 A
2 Bo5 matches in the LB Ro4 B
1 Bo5 match in the LB Finals
1 Bo5 match in the LB-WB Up and Down
1-2 Bo5 matches in the GF
For a total of 14-15 Bo5 matches - 15 x 100 ~ 1500 minutes ~ 25 hours ~ 8 hours per day for three days, single stream.
I think they wanted games between every player, and that's why they went with the group stage format and two game streams.
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Still incredibly silly for group stage to mean nothing except seeding.
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On April 17 2012 03:18 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 13:23 HenryHazlitt wrote:On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote:
No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting. says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports. Hypocrite. Don't even start with the support eSports crap.
When will the SC2 community stop talking about supporting eSports? Yes, we want SC2 to keep being an eSport, we want it to get bigger, but stop acting like SC2 started eSports. Most of the SC2 community hate LoL which is a bigger eSport atm, so you arent really supporting eSports in that case are you?
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On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote:
No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
This is one of those statements that always has me laughing. Well, that and crying.
So let's be clear, if organizations like IPL, MLG, NASL and GSL could give you all of the content for free and support themselves entirely on sponsorships and advertising, don't you think they would?
Do you really think Sundance is sitting in some ivory tower and saying, "You know, eSports just paid for my new 150' yacht, but if I charge the peons an extra $10 each, well then I can install that new Mahogany bannister between the first and second decks..."
If that's what you think, you need to spend a Summer interning at MLG, or IPL, or whatever, because you clearly aren't in any way in synch with the businesses these folks are trying to run.
We're in the beginning stages of eSports boys and girls, the frontier, the wild-fracking-West. It's the kill-or-be-killed time. Organizations like MLG, IPL and NASL aren't worrying about how much of a bonus their CEO will get in 2012, they're wondering if they'll make enough revenue in 2012 to even HAVE a MLG, IPL or NASL in 2013. Right now everyone is playing around with different business models -- Different PPV models, different advertising models, different sponsorship programs, all in the hopes of growing the market, growing the audience and hopefully, someday, making it a profitable little industry that maybe just maybe turns into the next UFC in a few years.
I won't ring the "support eSports" bell, because it's tired and fatigued and very VERY overused. Rather, I'll simply say this. If you see value in the service, pay for the service, if you don't see the value, don't pay for it. But don't pretend like you think it's some sort of sinister act to require people to pay for it in the first place. These people are running businesses here. Businesses that they hope will be around in a few years. Businesses that are very expensive to run. Businesses that they took a risk in investing their money, time and careers into. But please stop complaining because you want everything to be perfect quality and 100% free, because that's not reality. Or, go grab some investors and a few million euros and start your own MLG or Dreamhack - and let me know how that goes for you.
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On April 17 2012 04:36 Kraznaya wrote:
Still incredibly silly for group stage to mean nothing except seeding.
Edit: my bad, read this wrong.
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MLG this weekend? Great!
Oh wait, Dreamhack is free of charge nvm.
If they were gunna do a PPV event they shouldn't have had it in direct conflict with competition offering the same quality content for free.
How can they possibly fully realise the potential of ppv in e-sports then?
There will be multitudes of people who (like myself) will only have time to watch 1 event this weekend even if they're in different time zones. They must lose money from this scheduling conflict surely?
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On April 17 2012 07:46 Kiichol wrote:
MLG this weekend? Great!
Oh wait, Dreamhack is free of charge nvm.
If they were gunna do a PPV event they shouldn't have had it in direct conflict with competition offering the same quality content for free.
How can they possibly fully realise the potential of ppv in e-sports then?
There will be multitudes of people who (like myself) will only have time to watch 1 event this weekend even if they're in different time zones. They must lose money from this scheduling conflict surely?
Watch the event you want to watch, then.
I'm paying for MLG. I'm also going to try to watch Dreamhack, but it's not in as good of a time zone for me. There's no reason why we can't watch both if we want to. Sick lineups for both.
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I'll be there hosting the free Dr Pepper stream
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On April 17 2012 09:50 hacky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:46 Kiichol wrote:
MLG this weekend? Great!
Oh wait, Dreamhack is free of charge nvm.
If they were gunna do a PPV event they shouldn't have had it in direct conflict with competition offering the same quality content for free.
How can they possibly fully realise the potential of ppv in e-sports then?
There will be multitudes of people who (like myself) will only have time to watch 1 event this weekend even if they're in different time zones. They must lose money from this scheduling conflict surely? Watch the event you want to watch, then. I'm paying for MLG. I'm also going to try to watch Dreamhack, but it's not in as good of a time zone for me. There's no reason why we can't watch both if we want to. Sick lineups for both.
EXACTLY!
Yes, conflicting events suck. But I its nice that i don't have to completely fuck my sleep schedule to watch awesome sc2. I will watch as much DreamHack as possible because I love their events. And I will do the same with MLG.
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On April 17 2012 09:56 Clutch8 wrote:
I'll be there hosting the free Dr Pepper stream
Whoa, this is great news. Clutch you are great at what you do and i think the Dr. Pepper stream will be much better this time around.
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i was absolutely certain i was gonna buy the whole spring pass for 30$ until i realised that Spring Arena 2 is scheduled for may 18th to the 20th aka. the first weekend of Diablo 3s release. i think im just gonna stick with spring arena 1 
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On April 17 2012 16:34 sunturion wrote:i was absolutely certain i was gonna buy the whole spring pass for 30$ until i realised that Spring Arena 2 is scheduled for may 18th to the 20th aka. the first weekend of Diablo 3s release. i think im just gonna stick with spring arena 1
Oh hahaha damn did not realize Arena 2 is that weekend. xD Going to be in LA that whole week. Ah well, guess I'll be catching the VoDs of that.
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7/8 players are koreans. games will be high level for sure but the enterteinment factor will be quite low because of that.
definitely not paying.
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On April 13 2012 12:40 Parcelleus wrote:
GOMTV is well and above MLG in so many ways, and yet ALL their events have a free stream. Go figure.
Have you actually stayed up at 4am to see the free stream before? Its about 7 fps, and its so blurry.
edit: does mlg really need 3 days for an 8 man tournament?
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so this is only $10? Awesome!
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How have they not released the format for this yet? I see people claiming it's single and double elimination without any sources. Also to the people claiming pool play doesn't matter, do you realize that since it's an MLG event the pool play results will likely carry over making every series an extended series?
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