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On April 08 2012 18:27 Poopi wrote:
Plus it's not like StarTale didn't have a chance to win after that. They would be 2-1 against Prime, with PartinG having another chance to win (if he was able to secure an "absolute" victory would have been easy ya?)...
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Don't you mean 3-1 for ST with Marineking out. But as it turned out it was 2-2 and ST was mentally fucked after that.
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Very good performance by MKP and in a way i guess they deserve the win. Still, even though i like Prime better than StarTale, as a player i felt it was unfair to give a regame.
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On April 08 2012 18:04 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +If Startale or the fans think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach. It's nice to see he's taking the matter seriously, but that's not exactly the correct way to go at it.
Hes not taking it seriously. Hes manipulating his words to the public to make it seem like Prime deserved it and startale have no right to fight that. When about more than 70% (minus all the MKP fanboys) knows that parting would have won the game from there.
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On April 08 2012 18:35 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 18:27 Poopi wrote:
Plus it's not like StarTale didn't have a chance to win after that. They would be 2-1 against Prime, with PartinG having another chance to win (if he was able to secure an "absolute" victory would have been easy ya?)...
? Don't you mean 3-1 for ST with Marineking out. But as it turned out it was 2-2 and ST was mentally fucked after that.
i mean after the regame decision, they were at 2-1.
I should not have used would sorry.
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Obviously StarTale thinks the game should have not re-gamed. Did he not see the coaches protesting their heads off? Why make such a bold statement after the fact.
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greats itws, hope the coach doesn't resign
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As I was fighting my heart out trying to come back.
You must have a pretty huge heart to come back with 3 marauders and every single one of your 12 medivacs killed.
From a 3-1 Startale with MKP+Maru out, to a 2-2 with Parting out and MKP in play.
They singlehandedly gave the win to Prime and they knew it.
Most likely because they wanted the clear fan favourite between the teams, MKP, to win.
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That just shows how one bad decision leads to a whole lot of more bullshit -__-
Why should the coach resign? For something he had no matter in deciding. He may have articulated his opinion - but even then he was not the one deciding the matter. Really sad imo.
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he needs to resign to making that stupid statement about resigning.
Putting StarTale on the spot like that is such an asshole thing to do.
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On April 08 2012 19:52 Zealot Orgy wrote:You must have a pretty huge heart to come back with 3 marauders and every single one of your 12 medivacs killed. From a 3-1 Startale with MKP+Maru out, to a 2-2 with Parting out and MKP in play. They singlehandedly gave the win to Prime and they knew it. Most likely because they wanted the clear fan favourite between the teams, MKP, to win.
Yeah im pretty sure you would have been the better judge in this case, since you could analyse one screenshot and the real judges could only analyse everything :/
I really hope they are will release the replay so everyone can convince themselfs of the situation.
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On April 08 2012 15:43 duracell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 15:34 slicknav wrote:
People don't understand that an unfavorable position is not the same as an overwhelming victory. Parting was at an advantage, but that advantage wasn't enough to assume an automatic win. Just a different mindset, but you're just punishing different players. If two players are equal (50/50 to win before the match begins), and one player gained a 25% advantage and is now 75% to win at that point in the game, and it crashes and a regame is announced, it just robbed him of his 25% equity advantage because he is now 50% again. If you don't regame and award it to the guy with the 75% advantage, then the other guy is robbed of his 25% equity to win. It's not really fair either way, just takes equity from different people. It's hard to judge it, which is why experts are the ones deciding, but it should always try to reduce the least amount of unfair equity. I.e. if two players are 50-50, and one guy has a 80% chance to win at that point, and the other guy had 20%, then the 80% chance guy should be awarded a win even if it isn't 100% sure because doing so only robs the other player of 20% of "game equity" while regaming would rob the leading player by 30% "game equity".
Starcraft 2 isn't maths. The winner wasn't set in stone.
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On April 08 2012 19:56 neoghaleon55 wrote:
he needs to resign to making that stupid statement about resigning.
Putting StarTale on the spot like that is such an asshole thing to do.
I think you didn't see any interviews with Gerrard prior to this one. I think he is one of the most humble korean coaches out there (he didn't trash talk the ST Coaches or the team as other korean coaches love to do) and I don't believe he would make such a statement to make ST look bad, but just to emphasize that he's sure it was regame-worthy. It's like saying "I'm 1000% sure it was a regame".
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On April 08 2012 16:56 Jisall wrote:MKP's interview which every1 seems to be ignoring. Show nested quote +
Your game against Parting resulted in a regame verdict because of a disconnect
In the game in question, I was ahead until the midgame but because of carelessness, I was about to be overtaken. As I was fighting my heart out trying to come back, the disconnect occurred.
It seems MKP admits he was about to lose. just my two-cents into the discussion.
Nope. Just saying his advantage was overtaken.
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On April 08 2012 19:56 neoghaleon55 wrote:
he needs to resign to making that stupid statement about resigning.
Putting StarTale on the spot like that is such an asshole thing to do.
Yea, that's pretty messed up. It's basically saying "Startale, don't complain or I'll quit"
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On April 08 2012 18:40 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Very good performance by MKP and in a way i guess they deserve the win. Still, even though i like Prime better than StarTale, as a player i felt it was unfair to give a regame.
It's unfair to give a regame, but imo it's more unfair to give the victory to PartinG. There's no "correct" decision here.
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Can we keep the true enemy in sight? Blizzard. LAN. Or some feature to allow a game to be continued from the drop time.
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I don't believe MKP's situation was a sure loss.
The graph is extremely miss leading and doesn't take into account positioning, which in my opinion is the true deciding factor.
PartinG was far away into MKP's territory without a proxy pylon.
He had a Warp Prism but limited resources to immediately reinforce, and Vikings where nearby to intercept it.
PartinG was outside MKP's base, on the low ground camping 3 Raxes.
MKP was down in supply but Parting didn't have all his army in one place, some was in the middle and his HT where at home, he was scattered.
This last one is more or less speculation but, I believe PartinG had reinforced at home and was sending units across the map, so he didn't have warp in ready, while MKP had units ready to pop out.
Now, if PartinG would have destroyed the raxes outside MKP's main, while waiting for reinforcements to arrive, he would have given enough time to MKP to reinforce and hold easily.
If PartinG would have gone straight towards MKP's primary production he would have had to fight up a ramp into a choke and a wall that was going to be auto-repaired by SCVs, with more SCV used as a buffer, meanwhile the production of MKP coming out, combined with MKPs micro and landed vikings (after he snipes the WP, and no colossus nearby), would have ensured that PartinG trades very bad there.
Zealots are great in open ground and terrible in chokes, people keep forgetting this.
Also, even if MKP loses some SCVs, he has enough orbital commands to provide a safety buffer via MULEs.
I'm not saying everything would have happened precisely like that, what I am saying though is that MKP's situation was far from a sure loss, and I do believe the refs took all of that into account when they made the decision.
While I'm sure many still believe PartinG was robbed, I do believe the refs made a good choice given the information they had at hand.
If for example PartinG still had 1 Archon left and/or 2-3 HT with energy WITH HIS ARMY, I would have given it to him right there, but he was too scattered and going up superior fortifications with melee units mostly.
I hope enough people will come to realize this and not let it cloud their judgements, I also hope people won't take their hate out on Prime or his coach and instead focus on blaming the technical problems and the refs if they really are pissed.
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On April 08 2012 20:44 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 18:40 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Very good performance by MKP and in a way i guess they deserve the win. Still, even though i like Prime better than StarTale, as a player i felt it was unfair to give a regame. It's unfair to give a regame, but imo it's more unfair to give the victory to PartinG. There's no "correct" decision here.
The "draw" would have been a legit way to solve it, with both players getting a score but getting out of the player pool, or removing both players and forcing to play BO7 with 2-1 if you like, but they wanted fan favorite to stay in game and therefore they made such a decision. It just made PRIME look very bad overall, almost saying "we got one player on our team that can actually win something". Same goes for the interviews.
On April 08 2012 20:51 Destructicon wrote:
While I'm sure many still believe PartinG was robbed, I do believe the refs made a good choice given the information they had at hand.
They just got scared of "HURR DURR MARINEKING DIDN'T LUS DAT GUIM" all over the SC2 world.
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